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    admin September 19, 2019 at 11:22 am

    Hey Jeff

    The 67.25 is pretty close to the same price as the seven-foot spas. when you think about it its the same basic equipment and just a little less wood and insulation. usually smaller spas have lower performance and cheaper jetting etc but that is a super high-end performance small tub.

    In general, I like the Twilights, they are one of the best performance spas out there and like all Masters, they build them well. Pricing is pretty standard throughout the year, even event sales and such really do not offer much in the way of price reductions it’s more a psychological tool to create urgency by making the customer believe that if they don’t act now they will lose something of value. the reality is the price you can afford to sell at is the price…

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    admin February 26, 2019 at 1:08 pm

    Hi Michelle

    For sure the Hollywood.

    I had a Vector and tore it apart and was not impressed. plus all the goofy parts are gonna be a nightmare to replace I found the jets to be flimsy the face plate is thin and it supports the spindle, I think they are not going to last and replacements will be a lot more than regular jets. plus I found it very gimmicky… all the extra diverters serve no real purpose and make it a complicated mess.

    Overall I was displeased with the quality control from the Marquis factory, they have reached out and assured us it is not the norm but so far have failed to do anything to prove the point, until they step up and get me in for a factory inspection, and or send me another tub to inspect or something concrete I’m really not willing to endorse the line. See the review here:

    go see these guys and compare the build on the Twilight the pricing should be similar and the build is better and the performance too.

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    admin February 6, 2019 at 1:40 pm

    Hi Than

    I have the cost price for almost every brand but they always come with nondisclosure agreements and I could get sued for disclosing the information.

    Dealers buy at a price based on their volume and how they pay and the landed cost can vary wildly depending on those factors and proximity to the factory.

    Shipping less than Truckload (LTL) can add a grand a tub… shipping full truckloads can get down to a couple hundred, paying before delivery can save 5% paying by transfer over credit card can save another 5% and using a floor finance package can add another 5-10% There are a lot of variables…

    The truth is like any competitive industry everyone is trying to make enough margin to stay viable and get a decent income but not a lot of retailers are getting rich.

    Yes for sure you can get a better deal by paying cash but save that card till the end. a dealer saves 3-5% by not having to pay credit card processing fees so if you get a price for paying with a card hammer them for the 5% for cash… also go right now in the slow season!

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    admin August 14, 2017 at 4:46 pm

    Sorry Eric,

    This site is getting away from me, it used to be my personal rant space but now it’s something entirely different 🙂

    I need staff to help but I haven’t figured out how to monetize it and not loose the authentic real approach! if I sell my soul for the money (offers every week into the lower mid six digit frame) then the site is nothing but another discussion forum or other bullshit site, sometimes I just need a day or two off 🙂

    Hydropool and arctic I don’t really like for the similar reasons. They both do a few thing good and a bunch of stuff cheaply and spend a scad on the spin marketing, branding and BS. like Hrdropool has a good parts list but insulation and old school filtration systems and floor suctions, reflective insulation systems??? inexpensive solutions that are not good tech.

    Arctic is even worse, the cheapest parts you can buy, one of the cheapest insulation systems out there, no clamps on the plumbing lines and loads and loads of spin pitches and brand marketing.

    let me see what you have out there.

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    admin July 4, 2017 at 10:12 pm

    The Hybrid is a trademark gimmick that has the pumps outside the spa and is bad tech…

    what you are refering to is actually a better definition of “Hybrid” but usually called full foam with the pumps under the spa which is the best.

    The heat reclamation is pretty straight forward.

    The Venturis present on every spa and the ozone system always draw in air and inject that into the water so if the intakes are in the motor area the heat from the pumps gets injected directly into the water. it’s funny because the guys selling the cheap Perimeter insulation systems never talk about this because it really destroys their whole pitch… On one hand they claim that all the “trapped heat” is helping but they ignore the fact that the air is always being circulated when the pump is running which by the laws of physics means it is pumped out of the perimieter and into the tub and then out under the cover. Meanwhile, the outside cold air has to be drawn in to replace the cavity air… it’s why the whole pitch about the air space being an insulator is so non-science… in a thermopane window the intentionally remove the air and or fill it space with nothing or a captive agent with a high R value and then it is sealed so the air can not move… once the air can move beteen the zones it becomes a mover of heat, not an insulator….

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    admin September 8, 2016 at 1:28 pm

    Hi

    I am not aware of the brand Dr. Wellness.

    Ask the questions…

    Are the joints glued and clamped?
    What brand name are the jets, pumps and electronic controls? (you want ideally Balboa and waterways and you want threaded jets)
    Is the shell supported underneath by props and supports? (if there are props and supports it usually indicated a thin shell although they will pitch it as a bonus)

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    admin July 7, 2020 at 8:12 am

    Sorry man! I have you in the system as having sent you an email but I can’t find that I actually sent you an email!

    I just sent it!

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    admin July 7, 2020 at 8:09 am

    It depends a lot on the dealer and the area.

    A good dealer is not always about proximity, its about timely information, the service can often be handled really effectively in some markets with independent service guys.

    I would check them both out for reputation and call the 4hr away guy and get details of who he uses for service and call them.

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    admin July 7, 2020 at 8:06 am

    The downside to Trainer 12 is low power and shallow depth, having had swimmers for 15 years I found the depth to be more important than the size even. the hot tub side fo the trainer 19 deep is the same main therapy seat as the TS and I always find peeps hop over from side to side so I don’t miss the extra seats. I guess it depends what your priority is the swim spa is a big downgrade od the 2 unit deal.

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    admin July 7, 2020 at 8:00 am

    Yeah for sure no worries

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    admin July 7, 2020 at 7:27 am

    It’s a good spa and a reasonable price.

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    admin July 7, 2020 at 7:26 am

    Artesian for sure, I toured Cal factory last Jan and the shell despite the mad marketing is just a regular cradle supported shell and they use a lot of goofy parts, its not a nightmare brand but you need to make sure yer getting balboa control system and full foam… even then the Artesian is better built.

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    admin July 7, 2020 at 7:21 am

    It’s always worth the buyer’s service… Honestly why not? If I don’t save you at least the cost of the service I refund the difference, I work for you so what you buy has no effect on my income so I can be nonbiased, and you get protective custody 🙂 Trust me no one will mess with you if you are under my service because no one wants any bad press on a website that sees 85% of everyone who buys a hot tub 🙂

    I am currently running 25 private buyers at any given time and 10 are west coast I have strong relationships with several retailer and wholesalers and service people there.

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    admin July 7, 2020 at 7:20 am

    It’s part of American whirlpool Maxx vita group, honestly, it’s mass merchant quality with better marketing…

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    admin July 7, 2020 at 7:18 am

    Hey Dom the price is good but you could buy a trainer 19 deep for similar money.

    Endless used to be good when PDC built them but now they are owned by an US corp that is notorious for selling mid-grade spas as top-end based on fantastic marketing and expensive branding and advertising campaigns.

    Hydrpool was again bought by a US equity investment group with the same business model… its mid-grade with a cradle supported shell and the cheapest lowest R-valuer insulation system I have ever seen.

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    admin July 7, 2020 at 7:13 am

    It’s always worth the buyer’s service… Honestly why not? If I don’t save you at least the cost of the service I refund the difference, I work for you so what you buy has no effect on my income so I can be nonbiased, and you get protective custody 🙂 Trust me no one will mess with you if you are under my service because no one wants any bad press on a website that sees 85% of everyone who buys a hot tub 🙂

    the 15D is away better use of space… the 18 has the stupid sun bead that takes 18″ of the tub so really its a 15′ against a 16.5″ and look at the steps on the 18… they run way out into the tub. I think the 15D has as much or more swim area for less $$$

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    admin July 7, 2020 at 7:08 am

    Hey John

    TS 7.25 retail $13,695 solid price at $10k

    7.25 is my top pick of the Three for a few reasons. primarily massage… the necks jets are four of the high flow 3.5″ jets and it blows the others away for neck and shoulder, it also has the most expensive massage jetting package. For massage, the number of jets means a lot less than the size of the jet. little jets are cheap around $10, move tiny amounts of water and do very little for massage, 3.5″ mid flows are worth like $35 and start to flow much higher volumes of water and move the whole muscles mass and for long term do a lot more, the big 5″ high flow therapy massage jets again are $50-$60 each and are really where you are getting into a good therapy massage spa. the massive 10″ monster jets with a diverter are around $500 and blow you out of the water for foot, leg massage.

    Coast Apex bench Curve Retail $13k

    Next in line (and a close second) is the Coast Apex bench Curve, great look but the use of space is not as good I like open barrier-free seating) and the jetting package is a lot fo the little 1.5″ low flow jets so the massage package is a lot lighter Its

    Bullfrog retail $15k

    Last place the BullFrog for a lot of reasons, First it is massively overpriced on the back of the most excellent marketing, advertising, and branding campaign to convince you its a top-end tub. It uses a thin ABS plastic shell that requires pedestal supporting, nowhere near as good as the other two self-supporting shells. It uses a gecko heating and control system the other two use my number one system from balboa. It has no real neck of foot jets system and I hate the floor dome… these things were all the rage in the ’80s but they were a nightmare for so many reasons. first, the damn things are a serious tripping hazard, the number of people that tripped on mine was astounding, it because so bad I would warn everyone when getting in… and the damn things were prone to leak because everyone was always stepping on them and pushing their feet against the jets and if you got a leak it was a bloody nightmare to fix, plus now you have to plumb under the floor fo the tub! huge heat losses through condition because there is very little space for insulation under there. all for 4 little piss ant cheapo 1.5″ low flow jets that are not going to do anything for tough old bits like your feet…

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    admin July 6, 2020 at 11:00 am

    Hey Cesar

    Beachcomber is just out of my top 5 group from a build quality standpoint, the only thing keeping them out is the nonremovable skirt which is pure idiocy… If you ever have a leak it’s an expensive nightmare even under warranty.

    Its funny I always say mass merchants are the worst place to buy hot tubs because they are not good prices. They are just cheap crappy hot tubs sold for what they are worth, and seeing the prices on the Beachcomber just proves what I have always sad because those prices are bat shit crazy expensive… Between 8 and 10 k for a single p[ump 28 jet tub is rip off, you can buy tubs with the same build quality (or slightly better) same insulation, high flow plumbing systems and parts with removable skirt, and performance with removable skirts from any decent-sized retailer for less…

    Do Not Buy A Hot Tub From A MASS MERCHANT!!! They suck at this product…

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Also download this app It lets you Manage your hot tub chemistry without hassle, diagnose and fix water issues, troubleshoot any problems and even request service on your tub. Spa Star will do all that and more and best of all IT’S FREE!
    https://www.spa-star.net/

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    admin July 6, 2020 at 8:01 am

    Hi Julie

    Nothing wrong with PDC at all. the insulation while not my top pick is the best perimeter system ever and their attention to detail is awesome, they are solid well-built spas with great parts.

    The Freeport will be a lot better for a massage so you need to decide how important that is to you. it’s not just the number of pumps but also the jetting package. the little jets do not do much for a massage they are inexpensive and low flow volumes the larger jets flow a lot more water and for long term muscle tension relief they will be a lot more effective.

    I did an R-value calculation for your area and the PDC system will cost you around $6/month more that a full foam system so certainly not a deal-breaker.

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 8:38 pm

    yeah, that is the legacy of mass merchant hot tub sales…

    stay the fuck away from all these asshats selling cheap crap and having no idea what they are doing… mass merchants are the worst place to buy a hot tub…

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 8:31 pm

    Hi Mike

    You have a few good choices around you.

    Recreational warehouse sells Coast which is a solid choice and having chatted with them a few times they seem like they are a good group. also my buddy griff at Master spa Toronto in Mississauga cut me solid deals.

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Also, download this app It lets you Manage your hot tub chemistry without hassle, diagnose and fix water issues, troubleshoot any problems, set reminder, and even request service on your tub. Spa Star will do all that and more and best of all IT’S FREE!
    https://www.spa-star.net/

    Jets just mean massage… so if yer looking For massage, the number of jets means a lot less than the size of the jet. little jets are cheap around $10, move tiny amounts of water and do very little for massage, 3.5″ mid flows are worth like $35 and start to flow much higher volumes of water and move the whole muscles mass and for long term do a lot more, the big 5″ high flow therapy massage jets again are $50-$60 each and are really where you are getting into a good therapy massage spa. the massive 10″ monster jets with a diverter are around $500 and blow you out of the water for foot, leg massage.

    pricing is all over the place and depends a lot on what is important to you. typically what really changes the price is either marketing and advertising cost or performance depending on the brand.

    Man, you should get my private buyers service, in that area I have tons of good contacts and will for sure save you more than the cost of the service or ill refund it and will walk you through all the options negotiate the deal and keep you in protective custody 🙂

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 8:22 pm

    hey, dude, I sent an email but not heard back, I resent it check yer spam 🙂

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 8:12 pm

    Hi Daniel

    So I keep hearing that Dynasty is trying to up their game, and I reach out and say “hey guys if yer upping yer game get me in to see” and they ignore me…

    Now not being an ego here but if the guy in the world that sees 80+% of everyone looking for a hot tub come to him for advice says he will help drag you out of the shit and legitimize you calls you up asking for visibility and proof and is not asking for money and you don’t return his call yer either lying, stupid or living under a rock…

    Meanwhile, I keep hearing more nightmare stories about the brand than almost any other.

    I’m a simple guy… show me with proof yer doing it right and I will sing your praises… hide and dodge and be obscure and there is no way I’m backing you… look what marquis did to my reputation when I just believed them and trusted and accepted their dodgy responses as to why I couldn’t see their factory, and sure enough I get ahold of one and its lies and deceit and bullshit…

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 8:05 pm

    The whole platinum series is based on a bit of misinformation…

    first, off the idea that more little pumps are better than a few big pumps is bad science, we know conclusively that the efficiency of larger pumps is dramatically higher than smaller pumps. it’s playing on our mindset that more is better 🙂

    second, the individual controls beside each seat are just more to go wrong and really adds nothing.

    it’s like the LSX from Master… the reality is the Twilight series (one level down) is a better performance spa but LSX is sexy and flashy…

    they are all great tubs and the platinum (and the LSX ) have some great sexy features so if that’s what’s gonna make you feel warm and fuzzy then yes they are worth it, but if you want raw performance then no…

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:58 pm

    It’s a mid-quality spa, it should be on par with mass merchant spas in its size and jet count category but it should not be priced like a high-end spa.

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:55 pm

    you can swap them almost for sure… check the amperage rating on the motors… typically they are going to be 12-16 amps the only other major draw is the heater 4kw@230 volt is 17 amps and 5kw is 22amp

    plus you can configure the system for high current mode or low current mode which controls whether the heater comes on when the second pump is engaged 🙂

    Its gimmick… and in any tub for about under$200 you can change the heater core out… its not any cost difference and should not affect your cost or be part of your buying criteria.

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:50 pm

    They are all good brands. yer out of the fescue so yer not going to make any bad decisions…

    For massage, the number of jets means a lot less than the size of the jet. little jets are cheap around $10, move tiny amounts of water and do very little for massage, 3.5″ mid flows are worth like $35 and start to flow much higher volumes of water and move the whole muscles mass and for long term do a lot more, the big 5″ high flow therapy massage jets again are $50-$60 each and are really where you are getting into a good therapy massage spa. the massive 10″ monster jets with a diverter are around $500 and blow you out of the water for foot, leg massage.

    all tubs in this range are comparable for build quality

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:45 pm

    Both great products. and forget ratings… even Forbes says 70% are fake one unscrupulous dealer can totally slant the curve by simply making a bunch of email accounts and posting fake reviews… its a pay to play industry that is now the new marketing trick.

    Build wise both brands are so similar it’s not even funny, most parts are the same from the same top OEM companies.

    There is only one thing that the LSX edges out ahead on and that is the neck and shoulder jetting… The pelican has 4 of the cheap low flow jets and the master has 4 of the 3.5″ high flow jets that flow a lot more water, for neck and shoulder the LSX is head and shoulders above it.

    either will be a great buy.

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:40 pm

    Artesian for both built quality and performance, Bullfrog is not a nightmare brand but they are a better at marketing than making tubs 🙂

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:39 pm

    totally gimmick. I spoke to a few doctors, and dermatologists and they laughed at me… they claim its oxygenated water which implies they are adding oxygen but that not the case.. its bubbles and there is little or no science I have been able to find to say this does anything at all for skin therapy…

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:37 pm

    beachcomber is a good spa. well built and using good parts, the only real bad is the nonremovable skirt which is a crazy corner to cut because if it leaks then you are looking at major costs even under warranty to fix it…

    but good value for the money??? no… its a super low end 23 jet one pump spa! you can get the same build quality and parts and insulation with removable skirts for that money from any decent dealer…

    I love that Costco sells this tub because it is proof of what I always say… mass merchants are not good value for the money on hot tubs they are just cheap prices on crap tubs… as soon as they get a decent tub like this the price is higher than retail!!! Mass merchants suck at hot tubs…

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:33 pm

    it’s the same, just make sure you have really good access.. frame the hole 2′ bigger than the tub, drop the tub in and make drop-in panels all the way around that can be easily removed.

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:25 pm

    euro trash.

    thin shells propped up with a ridiculous frame system, goofy parts, and low r-value insulation… mass merchant all the way.

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:02 pm

    its Chinese made mass merchant quality all the way…

    check out this video

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 11:24 am

    Its not a nightmare brand and that’s a good price!

    also check out PDC here: its a better build quality

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 11:21 am

    Hey Man!

    Master and Artesian are great build quality wise The twilight series from Master gets my rating as the best therapy massage spa out there because the jetting and flow control is insane… its the only well-built tub with a great neck and shoulder seat with4 of the high flow therapy massage jets, most brands have2 of the dinky little 1.5″ low flows which suck.

    Beachcomber is good except it has one fatal flaw and one limitation.. the flaw is that the skirt is not removable which is a nightmare and expensive if you have a leak. the limitation is performance, they just do not do any high-end therapy massage packages.

    Bullfrog and Hydropool are a whole level down on construction quality, the best thing about those two brands is the marketing, branding, and advertising that try and convince you they are high end… for what they are they are both overpriced and really should be competing in the mass merchant and low-end retail pricing, not the upper end.

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    These guys are a big operation with a good service and backup support staff. Carrying Master, Twilight, H2X and MP legends. I know these guys personally and they do a great job. cryan005@sympatico.ca
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    admin July 3, 2020 at 11:13 am

    Yeah, it built by May manufacturing. but I’m not sure, I’ve been seeing some stuff saying it’s using a thinner shell with a HD foam support and mylar insulation im getting the feeling its not built ot the same standard as thier higher-end lines.

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 11:12 am

    Shit man the reason Im so long getting to posts is Ill do around 1000 private buyers services this season and i need to be in constant contact with these peeps. I have 3 or 4 in the bay area on the go at all times, I will save you ton out there.

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 11:11 am

    meh its a wash, Bullfrog has a cheaper abs plastic pedestal supported shell and 2nd rate heating and control system and marquis has had some QC issues…

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 11:09 am

    Hit up premium wholesale in Kitchener, one fo the biggest sellers of hot tubs in Canada right now.

    Pavers are fine as long as its a good contractor and tell them to make the space under the tub level not on a grade.

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    admin July 2, 2020 at 10:57 am

    They are nowhere near the same quality. Hydropool is owned by an equity investment firm out fo the US the marketing branding and advertising are great but the features are silly, every spa self cleans… the shell is mid-end cradle supported, and the insulation is cheap and low R-value.. radiant barriers were a scam from the 80’s and all northern US states and the Canadian mortgage housing authorities issued warnings about them and now they are the miracle insulation system in the unregulated hot tub spin world 🙂 They are great at reflecting radiant heat but they have little r-value and suck at containing heat ion a system… in layman’s terms it means if you want to keep heat away from your house in Florida they are great but not if you want to trap heat into a system.

    The Coast is a far better product.

    marketing is awesome

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    admin July 2, 2020 at 9:49 am

    Thi sis mass merchant quality and performance ata higher price, honestly compare it to Home depot or costco for pricing

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    admin July 2, 2020 at 9:48 am

    Great area you have PDC, Coast, Master and Artesian. I do a ton of private buyers deals there sign up its $250 I guarantee in that market I will save you mroe than $250 no matter what you decide to buy.

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    admin July 2, 2020 at 9:45 am

    both good tubs dude.

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    admin July 2, 2020 at 9:40 am

    South seas for sure The viking is a way cheaper plastic shell with pedestal supporting and the parts list is better on the South seas. there is no comparison the Viking should be priced like mass merchant stuff not like high end spas.

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    admin July 2, 2020 at 9:27 am

    Hi Charles

    its the same company, East coast spas run these shows up and down the eastern seaboard, they are likely the largest dealer on the east coast doing several thousand spas a year.
    $11k is about the going rate for a TS 8 right now.

    It’s not so much that prices have gone up a ton but you have to understand that it was a brutally competitive market and rebates, and incentives that were available in the tight times are not available now because no one can get tubs fast enough… Its a seller market right now.

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    admin June 30, 2020 at 11:51 am

    either are good but I havent seen the Coast factory. the neck jets on clarity are better there is a high flow 3.5″ therapy jet and two of the 1.5″ jets where the coast has just two of the 1.5’s other than that not much difference

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    admin June 30, 2020 at 11:47 am

    OMG run away wellis is really not a good spa at all…

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    admin June 30, 2020 at 11:46 am

    they banned the bromine version and are reviewing the chlorine ones now but the point is moot, its gimmicky old tech anyway, why would you pay that kind of money for a system that makes chlorine? its only gets you too2ppm and it’s finicky and requires expensive maintenance on the anodes. Yyou can get much easier to manage water with natural products like enzymes or mineral salt for a fraction of the cost and get to 4x lower chem levels and have easier to manage stable water without all the corrosive salt. Honestly that tubs all about spin marketing, Branding, and big expensive advertising but look at the actual build quality… Good shell, but goofy proprietary parts, no clamps on the plumbing and low R-value insulation system, it should be priced like a mid-end tub except for the massive spin spend to make you think its a high-end product.

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    admin June 30, 2020 at 11:37 am

    spa boss is a brand of chemicals, spa marvel is an add on enzyme, they are wrong I am right 🙂

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    admin June 30, 2020 at 11:34 am

    overall a good spa ive yet to do the factory tour because of covid

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    admin June 30, 2020 at 11:33 am

    well thats a whole different ball game, still steep but hard to find tubs right now…

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    admin June 30, 2020 at 11:31 am

    They are a solid bunch for sure.

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    admin June 30, 2020 at 11:18 am

    That’s a bat shit crazy price. it’s not lifetime on the shell its lifetime on the frame, 7 years on the shell structure and only5 on the surface, it’s a mid-grade ABS plastic pedestal supported shell.

    I can get you hot tubs in that market with better build and way better pricing though my private buyer’s service in 4-6 weeks through my private buyer’s service…

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    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:34 am

    go see crocker sales and look at the getaway spas

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    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:34 am

    yeah its a solid well built spa, the R-value difference between thier system and a full foam is around 10 so expect an extra $5/month or so in electrics but thats easily offset byt he pricing in a lot of cases.

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    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:33 am

    Beachcomber is the best of the lot for sure, the only downside and it can be a big one is a nonremovable skirt if you have a leak which does happen yer screwed and looking at big costs.

    The BF is not a nightmare brand, the insulation is as good as the beachcomber but it got a less expensive ABS plastic pedestal supported shell, and I’m not a fan of the electronic heating and control system. Balboa is way better in my opinion.

    Hydropool is owned by a US equity investment corporation and the best thing I can say about it is they have really great marketing, branding, and advertising that they spend a lot of money on to convince folks that this middle of the road unit is high end…

    That price is wack, the jetting packages on all those brands is ok-ish but nowhere near the really high-end performance spas, you can get into twilight for that kind of money, and its got all the right things and the jetting package is miles better espe the neck and shoulder jetting, those other tubs have almost no neck jets and the Twilight has 4 of the 3.5″ high flow jets.

    Go see these guys.

    Premium Wholesale Home & Leisure
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    These guys are a big operation with a good service and backup support staff. Carrying Master, Twilight, H2X and MP legends. I know these guys personally and they do a great job. cryan005@sympatico.ca
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    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:26 am

    Hi, Sean Yeah I agree with swimmers the AF is better. Spa Marvel needs a better solution for swim spas.

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    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:25 am

    Hi Greg

    East coast sells all up and down the eastern seaboard, they sell thousands of hot tubs compared to Bobs which likely sells a couple hundred a year. They are pretty good at long-distance customer care and frankly with apps on the market like SpaStar you can basically have a dealer on your phone for all the information you need. Honestly, if you think about it what do you need a local dealer for? usually, the biggest thing is answers to your questions, the actual service is handled pretty easily there are lots of independent service guys around that specialize in fixing hot tubs, and chems and accessories are available online.

    Vita is nowhere near the same build quality…

    The shell is a thin cradle supported shell whereas the Master is a hand-rolled self-supporting shell.
    The insulation on the vita is a cheap low R-value radiant barrier with a bit of batton, the Master is an expensive full foam high r-value specialty foam that is 2x higher R-value and does not impede access to the plumbing
    The master glues and clamps all the plumbing Vita just dip glues.

    One is a mid to low end unit comparable to mass merchant stuff and one is a super well-built unit.

    If you want to stay local check out the PDC spas

  64. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:16 am

    It’s a Chinese made spa built to a fairly low standard, https://drive.google.com/file/d/18-VoBNlgbMchh9lNuGI3a_f3PwfmRECE/view?usp=sharing

  65. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:14 am

    No id say yer right, a good spa will survive the flex but your cover won’t seat properly and it’s def not a best-case scenario. self-leveling concrete would be best but if you move the tub down the road it will look off.

  66. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:11 am

    Hard to say man I’ve seen most of what comes out of mass merchants and in a lot of cases you are just pouring money in year after year and you end up spending a couple of grand anyway down the road… I honestly think that its a gimmick… you think you are spending $2800 but 5 years down the road you realize you spent the 5k anyway and now you have a piece of crap overpriced spa and your going to bleed cash every year to fix You would have been better off to just finance the extra $2300k and get something reliable.

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    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:07 am

    The price is way too high for a four-year-old spa. but it’s easy enough to get parts for it. rule of thumb is take the retail then take 30% off for the first year and 10% off for every other year…

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    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:05 am

    Hi David… Both brands are owned by the same equity investment group in the US… Out of the frying pan into the fire :-), the best thing about that group of companies is the fancy expensive marketing, branding and advertising that make you believe yer buying a high-end top performance product, and in my experience, they are middle of the road and overpriced.

    We can get better for less for sure. Spas Direct Inc in Pataskala sells artesian, and Rainbow Pool & Spa Superstore in Lancaster sells Master

  69. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 6:35 am

    yep its a well made unit.

    bang for the buck the getaway Ochos rios

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    admin June 30, 2020 at 6:34 am

    Don’t know about it but looks like not a lot of insulation for a Canadian winter.

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    admin June 30, 2020 at 6:29 am

    CMP makes one of the best jet assembly systems out there and they do have some of their production in China. I think master recalled the cap before the official recall then they sent the caps out before they failed in most cases. it seems to be a one-off it was a bad mix of plastic. The compression fit jetting that they make is the best system on the market. on most of the jet housings it’s a multi-piece assembly basically what happens is they cut a hole in the shell then they hand grind the back to make a flat area then they put silicone on the jet body put it into the shell and another person goes behind and puts more silicone on the back then a ring then a retaining nut is tightened to hold the assembly in place… There are so many points here that can be done wrong and also a lot of points that can fail down the road. The compression fit system from CMP is more expensive and much simpler and eliminates the failure points and has proven to be more reliable. Basically the hole gets cut in the shell to a precise size often by a robot then the jet housing is compression fit into the hole. no silicone no way to screw it up and nothing to fail down the road so far it has proven to be much much more reliable system Artesian has used it for years and after evaluating the in field success master went to the system in 2018 and so far its been a major improvement in reliability.

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    admin June 29, 2020 at 8:02 pm

    hit griff up and look at the H2X therapools, super well built basic swimmers, the rest of the stuff at this price is dodgy.

    Store number: 289-633-3459

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    admin June 29, 2020 at 8:00 pm

    When we talk about energy efficiency ignore all the dumb ass sales pitches and look at the regulated industries like Homebuilding… you can’t just make a brochure about some miracle insulation system that no one ever thought about and build a house… it has to meet code which is R-Value… in your area R-25 minimum so why in the hell would you thing some hot tub sales dick head knows more and can guarantee you good efficiency with R-8 perimeter insulation??? or freeking Mylar which was basically banned in any regulated industry 30 years ago???

    get aa beachcomber, master, or coast

  74. Reply
    admin June 29, 2020 at 7:56 pm

    It is middle of the road ABS plastic shell honestly the hs and this are about the same quality level but at least yer not paying some corporate ass hat a pile more than its worth 🙂

  75. Reply
    admin June 29, 2020 at 7:02 pm

    Artesian for sure.. the best thing about the Jac is the expensive marketing that tricks you into thinking its high end…

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    admin June 29, 2020 at 7:01 pm

    sunrise is middle fo the road cradle supported shell, dodgy low R-value insulation but not a nightmare brand.. the price is pretty steep though it should be somewhere between home depot and that price.

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    admin June 29, 2020 at 6:59 pm

    sent an email and we talked 🙂

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    admin June 25, 2020 at 8:22 am

    Hi Clair

    Any tub can run a salt water system, but any doctor recommending it is not recommending the saltwater systems that make chlorine they are almost certainly recommending a mineral salt system like aqua finesse or mineral luxe, be careful because to goofy scammy salt tubs just use a corrosive salt called sodium chloride and make chlorine… a product like Aquafinesse is a mineral salt and in Holland where it was developed it is literally used in hospitals to treat eczema in newborns.

    The other possibility is they are recommending saltwater simply because it is a lower chemical system that old-style spas but again this info would not be applicable anymore because a saltwater hot tub runs around 2ppm of chlorine which is a lot better than the old school 3-5 ppm but nowhere near what an enzyme or mineral salt system can run which is around 0.5ppm of chlorine.

    get your doctor to clarify…

    locally try PDC spas:

    – Spaulding Pool & Spa
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    or artesian spas:

    Avalon Pools & Spas
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    admin June 24, 2020 at 2:20 pm

    Grifss a solid guy and the clarity are good tubs and priced right.

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 2:19 pm

    I would say the marquis out fo that group assuming they have gotten the QC under control.

  81. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 2:18 pm

    I would just use spa marvel, balance you pH and Alkalinity and use around 1ppm chlorine

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 2:18 pm

    Good reliable people Chris Sutton is the owner I’ve met him and his team.

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 2:17 pm

    it’s the going rate, I would expect ti to go for in this market, not a great deal but great deals ARE RARE RIGHT NOW.

    a good comparison would be the twilight 7.25

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 2:14 pm

    for sure, hit ben@eastcoastspas.com

  85. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 2:13 pm

    Yeah that’s a good price for sure esp right now!

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 2:10 pm

    Sorry man, I’ve never heard of them and can’t find any real info 🙁

    But the other three you mention are not great. the best thing about them is the fancy expensive marketing and branding that makes you think they are high end.

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 2:09 pm

    They are both good spas and post-sales service isn’t down to the brand it’s down to the local dealer, I think master gets hammered for service because a lot of their sales are through events that travel around the country and some of those are prob real complaints but a lot of them are pissed off local dealers because these events roll into town and sell a hundred hot tubs in a weened and the local dealers go nuts… Forbes says around 70% of all reviews are fake I take them with a grain of salt.

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:37 am

    The Coast and the beachcomber are the best of that lot by a long way, the only bad thing about the beachcomber is the skirts are non-removabele so if you ever have a leak yer screwed.

    Coast had a history of service complaints but seemed to have made some changes I’ve not heard much bad of late.

    Honestly, the max should be a lot less its nowhere near a top end tub and I really can’t recommend it, thin cradle supported shell, no clamps on the plumbing low R-value insulation, at 8 or 9k it would be ok but its not a $13k spa.

    Forget ozone… In fact, forget any of the miracle chemical reduction systems, they are all ok but nothing is an inexpensive, as low chemical, or as easy to use as this stuff…

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:27 am

    Hey John

    Both tubs are great I think they are equal on most points. The apex has a slightly better jetting package but the neck jet on the Clarity is slightly better. so honestly, its a wash… That’s a high price on the apex though but spa in stock is worth a lot to some people who want them right away.

    I don’t think the actual interior depth is much different, I think coast seems to raise their spas on a pedestal.

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:20 am

    listen 7k is cheap so at least yer there if you need repairs,

  91. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:19 am

    Honestly, the Nordic is better than either of the other two brands… its simple reliable well build spas, the best thing about the other two is the crazy expensive marketing to fool you into thinking they are top-end…

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:18 am

    beachcomber for sure, the other two are fancy marketing but mid to low end tubs full of low price low R-value insulation, mid-grade build, and proprietary parts… the best thing about the hydro pool and the Arctic is the fancy marketing that fools you into thinking they are top-end really well-made spas…

  93. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:16 am

    A very good price… Unbelievably good, typically they list at $15k Cdn and go for $12900 ish

  94. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:14 am

    Ahha! your PayPal email is different than this one 🙂 check the other email account. I emailed you the same day you registered.

  95. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:12 am

    likely a 4kw or 5kw but not sure.

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:08 am

    Just outside of my top group.

    too many goofy things… first the shell is nothing special despite all the bulllshit marketing, I toured the factory last Jan and the steel they put in is so thin it made me laugh. its a regular mid grade cradle supported shell with a bunch of fluffy marketing 🙂

    make sure you get a unit with balboa controls and order the full foam upgrade if yer in a cold climate.

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:05 am

    Hey John, it started out as generosity but its resonating, and I’m making a good living out of helping people and cutting through the bullshit, and by turning peeps to more sustainable products it helps reduce the environmental impact a lot as well so win-win-win!!! which is pretty rewarding.

    The Bay area I to a ton of business in, my private buyer’s service is well worth your money we can get you hooked up with any of the good brands down there and you literally have around 20-30 independent service companies around you for fixing hot tubs so skip the retailers and get a factory-direct or wholesale deal.

    one of the reasons I run 4-5 days behind on these replies now is the private buyer’s service has exploded, I’m running 40-50 of these at any one time and I have loads of retailers on board that are happy to pass on the $400 or more in commissions they normally pay a sales guy back to the customer instead, from my point I can be 100% objective because instead of earning a commission pushing you into what I have I am paid by you so it makes no difference to my fiances which unit you buy and I can be objective plus I always save you more than the fee

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:05 am

    Hey John, it started out as generosity but its resonating, and I’m making a good living out of helping people and cutting through the bullshit, and by turning peeps to more sustainable products it helps reduce the environmental impact a lot as well so win-win-win!!! which is pretty rewarding.

    The Bay area I to a ton of business in, my private buyer’s service is well worth your money we can get you hooked up with any of the good brands down there and you literally have around 20-30 independent service companies around you for fixing hot tubs so skip the retailers and get a factory-direct or wholesale deal.

    one of the reasons I run 4-5 days behind on these replies now is the private buyer’s service has exploded, I’m running 40-50 of these at any one time and I have loads of retailers on board that are happy to pass on the $400 or more in commissions they normally pay a sales guy back tot eh customer, from my point I can be 100% objective because instead of earning a comishion pushing you into what I have i am paid by you so its makes no difference to my fiances which unit you buy and I always save you more than the fee

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:05 am

    Hey John, it started out as generosity but its resonating, and I’m making a good living out of helping people and cutting through the bullshit, and by turning peeps to more sustainable products it helps reduce the environmental impact a lot as well so win-win-win!!! which is pretty rewarding.

    The Bay area I to a ton of business in, my private buyer’s service is well worth your money we can get you hooked up with any of the good brands down there and you literally have around 20-30 independent service companies around you for fixing hot tubs so skip the retailers and get a factory-direct or wholesale deal.

    one of the reasons I run 4-5 days behind on these replies now is the private buyer’s service has exploded, I’m running 40-50 of these at any one time and I have loads of retailers on board that are happy to pass on the $400 or more in comsisions htey normally pay a sales guy back tot eh customer, from my point I can be 100% objective because instead of earning a comishion pushing you into what I have i am paid by you so its makes no difference to my fiances which unit you buy and I always save you more than the fee

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:55 am

    You live beside the biggest hot tub dealer in the world these guys sell around 7000 hot tubs all around the US (for comparison the local dealers might sell a couple hundred…) You cant touch them price-wise and being in their back yard I’m sure they will take good care of you.

    Master Pool & Spa
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    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:53 am

    weird dude, not sure what to say other than what Tim is already saying. you sure your test strips are not contaminated?

    you dont have a strong chlorine smell?

  102. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:52 am

    good catch!

    bioth brands are made by may manufacturing (artesian spas) but im not sure of the build standard on the Tropic

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:48 am

    Hey Sandy Thanks for the business, I know we are already conversing but I’m just trying to plow through the 70 outstanding comments 🙂

    This is becoming more than just a full-time job!

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:46 am

    Hey Benjamin.

    The Cal spa is just outside my top group and by far the best of that lot, then the BF none of the others I would touch with a 10-foot pole.

  105. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:45 am

    yep good call the artesian is best then the Nordic then the Bullfrog.

    but round tubs are rare because they suck for usable space, and look pretty dated 🙂

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:44 am

    It’s proving to be a real hit, were going to do around $600-1000 of these this year and so far the response has been really positive, customers save a lot, and dealers seem to like it for the most part as I do all the hard work, and it’s totally objective because instead of a sales guy pushing an agenda to make money I can be honest because it doesn’t affect what I make in any way.

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:33 am

    Hey Jon

    that’s what I thought, still a mystery how they had 2017 in stock…

    The frog ball we can’t use here for some reason so ai don’t really know but it would be awesome to have a dichlor dispenser. the tabs are harsh on the tubs plastic dichlor is much easier on the system but if you have to put a teaspoon every few days in its a mess for most people 🙁

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:31 am

    Hey Kelsey

    The artesian over the BF for sure, better shell better parts. price wise its a little high but COVID rush on hot tubs is seeing very few solid deals to be had right now.

    Don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems on any brand of hot tubs, trust me there is no super system that’s dramatically better than anyone else, and the reality that all manufacturers hate is nothing is as effective as the aftermarket add-in stuff.

    Honestly man buy this shit… its lower chemical, way less expensive, easier to manage and extend your jets life… its a no brainer…

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:26 am

    hey dude go see these guys

    Crocker Sales
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    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:25 am

    a bunch of little things… it’s a pretty mid-end build with a cradle supported shell and a low-end low r-value insulation system.

    its not a nightmare tub but it should come into the mid-end price range

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:23 am

    Yeah its a weird old school thing you rarely see anymore, retailers used to rename spas under a private label to give the illusion they made it or to prevent customers from cross-shopping and you rarely see it anymore but yes it is made by Master 🙂

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:21 am

    Honestly, I can’t get behind the brand, its a thin cradle supported shell, no clamps on the plumbing and low R-value insulation system.

  113. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:20 am

    I was supposed to down there march but COVID killed it 🙂

    the fact that they have invited me down to see the factory speaks volumes, I have had my eyes on their spas and they seem to be doing all the right things. hopefully plan on a visit soon when things calm down… currently not allowed to travel without going through 14 days isolation 🙁

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:18 am

    Hi, andy sorry for the delay super busy I’m running around 50 private buyers services a week and they are taking a lot fo my time.

    both are good choices for sure.

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:16 am

    Hi Johnathon

    thanks for the business and the compliment, mainly I know a lot about the subject, makes it easy to sound smart lol 🙂

  116. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:14 am

    winterizing is a pain in the ass and often results in freeze damage and even if it doesn’t it will result in higher service rates.

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:13 am

    Hey Scotty

    That price is way too high for a bullfrog, honestly its a pretty middle oft he road brand with an inexpensive abs plastic shell, and gecko control and heating system. they should be sub 10k

    The Panhandle does not have a lot of good options, but you have a lot fo independent service peeps right around you so wholesale would be a good option for you, I can definitely save you money through the private buyer’s service there.

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 6:41 am

    Hi Brian

    I think they rate like this for performance.

    Michael Phelps – True Swim (Phelps more like open water swimming, Tru more like pool)
    Endless top end
    H2X Challenger
    Hydropool
    H2X Trainer
    Aqua Trainer

    I think they rank like this for quality end efficiency

    MP
    H2X
    Trueswim – only because the insulation will run around $100/ year more – other than that tied with the top two

    Then a big gap

    -AT
    -endless it was a lot better when PDC built it but since the buyout not so much.
    -Hydropool – again owned by US equity investment firm great marketing mid-grade build, the lowest end insualtion

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 6:34 am

    No idea 🙂

    why?

  120. Reply
    admin June 23, 2020 at 9:19 pm

    Yep nothing wrong with them good all-round build quality.

  121. Reply
    admin June 23, 2020 at 9:18 pm

    Hi Dan

    the Therapool would be ok for low-level swimming but he is right it’s not the same as the tidal fit 14 which would fall somewhere between the Therapool and the trainer 15 deep which would outpace them both.

    but there are a lot of options on the tidal fit, the entry-level is pretty much the same flow rate as the Therapool only if you upgrade the jetting and motor package will it be any better and the fully upgraded version will still be well short of the Trainer series.

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    admin June 23, 2020 at 10:16 am

    i sent you an email on the parkmed email address check yer spam folder

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    admin June 23, 2020 at 10:15 am

    both are not a great option, CSC is 100% made in China and its a thin cradle supported shell with an encapsulating high-density foam support structure that makes finding leaks a nightmare, it also uses a mix of good and bad parts… very similar on the pinnacle…

    $18k is not doable for a well-made swim spa that will last, you will just p[ile money into it over the years… $20k is about the entry-level to build a good swimmer.

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    admin June 23, 2020 at 10:12 am

    garden spa by artesian is a solid well built tub

  125. Reply
    admin June 23, 2020 at 10:11 am

    just in the comments maybe but I refund it if you don’t save money simple as that, I’ve refunded 3 of the 100 or so I did in the last couple months.

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    admin June 23, 2020 at 10:10 am

    weird that they have 2017 in stock, I would assume it might have had an issue and they had to swap it but who knows.

    the circ pump is a nonissue either way I prefer no circ pump but its not a deal-breaker.

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    admin June 23, 2020 at 10:09 am

    Sundance is owned by an equity investment corporation and the best thing about it is the fancy expensive marketing and branding bullshit which is why its more expensive, the ASrtesian is a far better-built unit for sure.

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    admin June 23, 2020 at 10:07 am

    Hi

    Sorry for the late response, I’m happy to refund your priority response but every time I started this one I lost the will to live 🙂

    **How long does it take to raise the temp from what to what. IE….what do you turn it down to save energy? (I like it hot!) —Always leave it at the temperature that you want to use.—-
    **What should it be costing each month to run a 200 gallon hot tub? (it is costing a lot more than the $10. that I saw someplace!!) — around $30/month average over the year but usage can make that higher—-
    **It seems to ALWAYS be foamy as I run the jets after putting in one chemical or another. The defoamer works like a charm, but I don’t wear clothes in it and have often showered beforehand. — make sure the ph is balanced and try and reduce any soap getting in—
    **This may sound really ‘dumb’ but are the jets on ‘high’ when there is a lot of added air or when there is none? Is ‘high’ considered to be the therapy mode? —-add air makes the jets harder so that would be the highest —-
    **I’ve been rotating the pleated filters as you recommended. And now am about to change the water. How do I know when the filter is not doing its job anymore? It has been 8 months turned on, used lightly by just me. What about the EcoPur orange filter. Just change it on a 12-month cycle or ???? Are there any other ways to know when things need replacing? —-main filters last 12-18 months eco pure cartridge 9 months—–

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    admin June 23, 2020 at 10:04 am

    Nothing really that I would buy except maybe the freeflow, its the best tub hot Springs makes.

    you do have 3 service cneters in town though so try these guys

    Aqua Haven
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    admin June 23, 2020 at 9:56 am

    The best thing about the tub is the marketing, branding and expensive advertising… a tub with an inexpensive plastic shell with pedestal supporting and a second rate heating and control system with that kind fo performance should sell for sub 10k for sure.

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    admin June 23, 2020 at 9:54 am

    hey dude. the best thing about the arctic is the expensive branding, marketing, and advertising they use to fool you into thinking its a really well built next-gen spas when the reality is it has a good shell, but is full fo proprietary parts, inexpensive low R-value insulation and they don’t even clamp the plumbing lines… the beachcomber is a much better-built unit.

  132. Reply
    admin June 23, 2020 at 9:52 am

    low-end mass merchant quality tubs, they use a mid-end parts list I doubt they clamp the lines but worst of all they use a High-density foam for the insulation, this usually indicates a cheap shell and they are using the structural foam for support which makes finding and repairing leaks a nightmare…

  133. Reply
    admin June 23, 2020 at 9:49 am

    yep I emailed you Thu, Jun 18, 12:51 PM (5 days ago) on your hot mail account that the payment was processed under… Ill send it to this email as well…

  134. Reply
    admin June 22, 2020 at 1:47 pm

    Hi Steve

    You have the usual suspects like jacuzzi and hot springs which are way overpriced and frankly middle fo the road and both brands are full of proprietary parts which make them a total no go for me.

    Then there is a garden leisure dealer but this is the opposite, low price but not great build quality.

    locally there is one brand I would buy local there and that’s the PDC spas from Parrot bay.

    Parrot Bay Pools & Spas
    3011 Town Center Dr. Suite 130, Fayetteville, NC 28306
    http://www.parrotbaypoolsnc.com
    +1 910-429-0086

  135. Reply
    admin June 21, 2020 at 2:30 pm

    Hi Greg

    The PDC and h2X and artesian are all good options. I think the 15 foot in a deep model is a good choice.

    Locally there is only one brand id bee looking at and that’s Oasis Outdoor

    11729 Carolina Pl Pkwy, Pineville, NC 28134
    oasisoutdoor.com
    +1 704-542-5300
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    however, you do have 5 good service companies around you so looking some further out dealers might be worth it.

    try Master spas at Davids Home Entertainment
    2566 Asheville Rd, Waynesville, NC 28786
    davidshomeentertainment.com
    +1 828-452-5534

    and PDC at Dixon Pool & Spa, Inc.
    122 Alamance Rd, Burlington, NC 27215
    +1 336-221-0808

  136. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:49 pm

    Yeah, you spoke to John lol he is always a bit abrupt but he is the owner of the largest hot tub seller in the world, it always amazes me that he deals one on one with thousands of hot tub customers… it’s impossible to best his pricing in that market and honestly, they have hundreds of service sites and do a pretty good job at this, in some markets I would encourage you to stay local but on the west coast its the way to go.

  137. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:46 pm

    Davids Home Entertainment

    2566 Asheville Rd, Waynesville, NC 28786
    davidshomeentertainment.com
    +1 828-452-5534
    4.0View in Google Maps

  138. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:44 pm

    H2X beats it on depth, flow rate, and the massage jets. honestly Master dominates the swim spa market they are not only one of the first to make and sell them but they sell more than any other company in the world by a long shot.

  139. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:42 pm

    Yep for sure, I’ll get you good deals there and as always if I don’t I will simply refund your money no questions asked…

    The reason I’m so late responding to the comments section is I’m swamped with private buyers which I have to respond to right away.

  140. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:39 pm

    Freestyle is Sunrise spas, it’s middle of the road all the way around from the cradle supported shell to the low R-value insulation and middle of the road performance with mostly small low flow jetting and very few of the expensive high flow therapy jets.

    the BC is a better build with a hand-rolled self-supporting shell, and the insulation system has about 3x the r-value but that damn non-removable skirt is the killer and again that Costco tub is expensive for a basic single pump 20 jet spa.

    lakeside pools do Coast that’s the best locally there are also a lot of service guys around you so going wholesale is not a bad option either.. Do my private buyer’s service I will for sure save you more than the cost of the service no matter what you want to buy or I refund it, I have lot fo contacts around you and out of the 500 or so I do every year I’ve only refunded like 2…

  141. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:23 pm

    John the AW is not high on my list, its a thinner cradle supported shell with no clamps on the plumbing, and a dodgy low R-value insulation system.

  142. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:19 pm

    first off don’t rotate them when they are on high, second if you have them in mid positions they are noisy but typically quiet when all the way one-way or the other.

  143. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:18 pm

    shit dude… which border??? Canada? NY state? Mass? or Mane?

  144. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:16 pm

    I think i just answered this…

    loungers are a noob buy, second time buyers almost never buy them… yer floating man, you don’t notice things like comfortable seating and recliners…

    TS is for masssage

    clarity is for fun and spas with mid level massage

  145. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:15 pm

    Definitely the Artesian fi for no other reason that the meatheads at beachcomber made the skirt nonremovable to save a couple hundred off the production cost but if you ever get a leak yer screwed… other than that they are both built to the same standard with most of the same parts. the artesian will also kick the BC ass on performance, BC only does middle-end massage spas.

    go see the TS 8’s and compare them tot he Artesian, again same build, and parts but even more of the expensive high flow therapy massage jets.

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    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:11 pm

    Bang for the buck the Bar Harbour LE from getaway hot tubs.. 40 jet 2 pump, super well built and insulated. its more than the crap at the big box stores but in an entirely different league.

    Allstar Pool & Spa
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  147. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:07 pm

    First-time buyers often buy loungers the second time buyers rarely do.

    the main difference between Clarity and TS is jetting and massage performance… Clarity has your regular mix of low flow and mid-flow jets, twilight has all high flow and mid-flow therapy massage jetting its a lot better therapy massage if that’s on your want list, if you just after a nice massage and big open spaces for soaking then clarity ios you go to.

  148. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:04 pm

    Hi.

    that’s a stupidly low price… I didn’t think your numbers are right Im seeing Ts7 series at 9500 on a good deal. The full foam systems are the most expensive and have a lot higher R-value that will definitely mean lower running costs

    Bullfrog is not a bad rig but there ABS plastic shell and the gecko control system keep it just out of my top group, The best thing I can say about the jacuzzi is that for a tub built with cheap labor in Mexico with a goofy proprietary parts list and mid-end performance they sure nailed the marketing!!!

  149. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:00 pm

    Hi Niki

    for sure the beachcomber, its a well build high-end spa and the Hydropool is a well marketed middle-end spa. but unfortunately the Beachcomber does not do any high-end massage spas, most fo the jetting is a pretty low end with mostly the small low flow jets and usually, only a few of the good 5″ high flow therapy jets and no neck or shoulder jetting also the skirts are not removable which means leaks repairs are an expensive nightmare even under warranty which doesn’t cover removal or replacement tot he test facility it has to go to to be fixed…

    Hot Tub Universe in Halifax ships a lot of spas there and have a guy on the ground for service and repairs.

    If you want the build quality of the beachcomber with a higher performance jetting package talk to Theresa about the Twilights, I think she is from the rock as well.

    Theresa@hottubuniverse.ca

    .

  150. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 12:54 pm

    its a bit high I would say, if it’s available right away it’s worth paying because most tubs are 90-120 days out…

  151. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 12:51 pm

    yep Its a good spa built by Artesian spas.

    check it price-wise against the getaway hot tubs and clarity hot tubs its should land right at the top of getaway and just under Clarity price wise:

    Master spa Toronto
    Griffin Ryan
    griffryan@hotmail.com
    1 (416) 779-0563

  152. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 12:49 pm

    hey, dude, I emailed you
    Mon, Jun 15, 7:59 AM (4 days ago)

    not had a response… check yer spam folder!

  153. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 12:47 pm

    man no idea 🙂 Ill look atthem if I ever get a chance 🙁

  154. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 12:47 pm

    out of Grimsby Ontario, its middle of the road, cradle supported shell and super cheap low R-value insulation system… between mass merchant crap and top-end stuff

  155. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 12:43 pm

    The Bullfrog for sure

  156. Reply
    admin June 18, 2020 at 1:59 pm

    Hey john

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    $11495 is the right number I won’t be of much use there.

    There are some big concerns with a lot fo factories now but master did a really smart thing early on… they cut half the tubs out of production, they cut all the color options out, and they put on extra shifts, I don’t think its an issue.

  157. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 11:26 am

    10k is a solid number dude. it aint getting much better if at all.

  158. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 11:25 am

    Rec is a big group that does a lot of things, I find a specialist shop that just does swimmers and tubs is always your best bet for down the road service.

    Griff is a great dude, I know him well and he will just always take good care of peps and his pricing is sold.

    product-wise the H2X is my favorite line. build wise its as good as you can buy and performance-wise it not only has a better flow system, it also has the best massage jetting of any swim spa I’ve laid eyes on.

    Im sure both brands will be good for you but if pricing is similar or even a tad higher with Griff go with him.

  159. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 11:22 am

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    stereos suck on every hot tub.. they sound good but you pay 3x what you wold for just a good outdoor system and they are notoriously unreliable in all hot tubs.

    warranty is a gamble… sometimes worth it most times not… depends on what piecesof mind is worth to you and what your risk aversion level is 🙂

  160. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 11:20 am

    Hi Chris.

    Its a good tub but the non-removable sides is a nightmare if you ever have a leak and $7500 for a single pump 20 jets unit is no bargain, go to a local retailer for Coast, master, Artesian, or pDC and you will get the same quality, removable sides, and the same or better price and support a local dealer…

    My argument with mass merchants is that they suck at hot tubs… its either cheap crap like 90% of it or when they have a decent tub its no great price…

  161. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:49 am

    I for sure would not do HS, its a great marketing company and a middle of the road tub with mid-end performance and proprietary parts.

    No idea what up with marquis, they were dodgy as hell from the start… then IO got fed up and bought a new one to see for sure and it was a mess, they claim its a one off but refuse to let me into the facotry to verify build quality… sounds like a dodge to me…

  162. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:47 am

    both good brands cant find the freedon 50 do you have a link?

  163. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:42 am

    flat slab

  164. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:39 am

    yep good price, Dr wellness is nowhere near the quality of the south seas…

  165. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:39 am

    I’m just going to say what you already knew I was going ot say… Crap…

    Champagne spas do artesian its the only good brand around you. there are tons of service guys around you because no one buys local prices are too high.

  166. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:36 am

    Hi Amber.

    Both very similar.. the piper glen price is ridiculous. it’s worth $12-13k tops…

    The Bali is a more reasonable price and both are equal.

  167. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:33 am

    hard to say but right now you would be hard-pressed to get a spa delivered in under 120 days.

  168. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:32 am

    Its middle fo the road the ABS shell is a big decrease in quality over a good shell.

    Not a nightmare brand by any means but not in my top group.

    jetting wise the models you snet are pretty middle fo the road, it should be in the $6-$7 k range?

  169. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:11 am

    LOL

    That’s my store dude 🙂 too funny most of this site traffic is US and I never get any local action even with 180,000 hot tub buyers a year coming here 🙂

    Both are great brands and well built.

    The only downside to the BC is the sides are nonremovable… if you ever get a leak even under warranty its an expensive train wreck, you need to have the tub removed to a repair site and you pay removal and reinstall its dumb… but other than that they are both solid well built tubs.

  170. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:08 am

    no worries its a solid tub with great use of space and good performance. enjoy!

    happy ho tubbing!

  171. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:05 am

    Hi Kathy

    I know him and have personally had nothing but good dealings.

    forget reviews and rating sites they are total bullshit, Forbes says around 70% are fake! corporations use them as marketing tools, pissed off dealers use them to smash their competitors, and retailers use them to make themselves look good. Even google review are bullshit I’ve had people who aren’t even my customer that live 3 hrs away post bullshit and google says tough luck… its a pay to rank world 🙂

    I wouldnt be too conceerned with getting either tub if the massage is a big thing wait but the clarity is a good middle upper end performance spa anyway…

  172. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 8:46 am

    You have loads of good options there…

    Master Spas and Coast are by far your best two, then beachcomber but BC performance doesn’t get to the high end and the non-removable sides are an expensive freeking nightmare if you get a leak

  173. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 9:11 pm

    its a marquis brand, not had great luck with them…

  174. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 9:11 pm

    The insulation is pathetic Mylar and radiant barriers, in general, are shit for containing heat in a system… The Canadian mortgage housing authority warned consumers about this crap in the ’80s when it was sold as they next miracle attic insulator… notice no one uses it in houses anymore??? its cause it’s a regulated industry where you cant s just write some crap in a brochure and sell it.. it actually has to meet code based on the science 🙂 The brand after it went bankrupt a decade or so ago was then bought by an equity investment firm in the US who does really good marketing and branding, Unfortunately, the best thing about the tub is the brochure.

    Check out a coast at rec warehouse or an H2X at Griffs…

    Master spa Toronto
    Griffin Ryan
    griffryan@hotmail.com
    1 (416) 779-0563

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  175. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 9:05 pm

    sounds like yer doing it right.

    is the water clean and clear?

    it’s normal to have to bump alkalinity every week… always do alk to the top of ok then pH if needed.

  176. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 9:02 pm

    A couple of things have changed over the last few years… First off compression fit jet housings and barbed pipe attachments with the pipe over the barb and glued and clamped have honestly pretty much ended leaks on really well-made tubs, add to that not having any fittings under the tub anymore or in the floor which traditionally is the hard ones to find and fix and really its no an issue.

    Secondly better access with entire sides being able to be removed and a specialty foam that can literally be sucked out with a shop vac and your fingers have made finding and fixing a leak pretty easy.

    hit Theresa up at hot tub universe.

    theresa@hottubuniverse.ca

  177. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 8:59 pm

    Nope, I keep trying to find a partner there but no luck.

    I can get you one but no backup or support other than parts… are you a handi person?

    If not try cost or artesian

  178. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 8:52 pm

    its dynasty spa I think… either way, private labels are never a good choice, its a tub made by a manufacturer, then bought and relabeled by a distributor, and then sold to a dealer, and finally sold to You…

    The extra layer of profit means no matter what, you are paying more than you should…

  179. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 8:50 pm

    see the other post for comments on the artesian and cal (BTW the artesian is better build)

    but $9500 for a TS 8.2? that’s a crazy good man that’s pre COVID prices…

  180. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 8:08 pm

    In three years if it hasn’t had service yet it will mean heater, pump rebuild, and cover. in the next 3 years. yer around $1000 to $1200

    It’s you’re call if it was poorly maintained water it will be faster if it was meticulous you will be longer.

    You need to analyze your risk aversion 🙂

  181. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 8:03 pm

    sweet let me know if you need help 🙂

  182. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 8:01 pm

    Honestly, I do so many private buyers services around here that you’d be nuts not to get my service, I could send you to East coast spas which would be my number one choice or I could send you to PDC spas up at KS pools which is a solid buy as well but I will absolutely save you more than the $250 charge for the private buyer’s service and you will have me if you ever need help 🙂 Its like protective custody. Absolutely everyone int he hot tub world knows me… some love me some hate me but no one wants to be on my bad side 🙂

  183. Reply
    admin June 13, 2020 at 12:17 pm

    I’ll email you the line drawing.

  184. Reply
    admin June 12, 2020 at 12:53 pm

    Neither are great options but the Dynasty is a strict no go… see the comments at the bottom of this review

    Jacuzzi J280 is a really basic jetting package and it full of proprietary parts, the best thing about the brand honestly is the fantastic marketing, advertising and branding that make it appear to be a good top-end tub…

    for that kind of money, you can get a better built new except the 120 days wait for delivery from most retailers right now…

  185. Reply
    admin June 12, 2020 at 12:50 pm

    NP happy hot tubbing

  186. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 7:07 pm

    dude go with spa marvel… its so easy and low chem and reliable

  187. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 7:06 pm

    Beachcomber for sure of those two, the jacuzzi is overpriced and full of proprietary parts

    The problems with beachcomber are the non-removable skirt if you have a leak yer screwed, dumb corner to cut but otherwise, if you stay away from he dumb ass hybrid option its a good spa.

    check out Fraiser valley as well they do master and coast spas lifestyles do Coast both better options. Coast Spas Lifestyles Langley City, BC

    Fraser Valley Hot Tubs
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  188. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:54 pm

    I like Nordic, solid reliable… bullfrog not so much…

  189. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:53 pm

    Damn, they are very similar and no real plus or minus.

    But yer right there is fuck all around you…

  190. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:51 pm

    these are the only guys to go see.

    Carolina Spa Company
    Coast Spas
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  191. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:47 pm

    Yep good spa and i love the open space.

    Happy hot tubbing

  192. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:46 pm

    yeah for sure go see Sean at Valley pools and spas, they are an award-winning company and are one fo the best dealers I have ever met…

    They carry H2X and Phelps as their high end and Cal spa as their lower end.

    Valley Pool & Spa
    Status: HTU All-Star
    Approved brands: Master, H2X, MPL, Twilight, Phelps swim spas

    I spent 3 days with the wonderful folks from valley Pool and spa. These guys are in a class of their own and carry my goto brand Master.

    info@valleypoolandspa.com Sean, Sonya
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  193. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:44 pm

    Pavers if properly laid are fine but monitor for sagging if they do address it right away. a slight grade is ok but put your filter at the low end.

  194. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:43 pm

    Hi

    Of the local guys, the best is Coast then Beachcomberthe other two are not in the running.

  195. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:42 pm

    Swim-N-Pools Billiards & Spas in Chester does Nordic, a decent entry level spa.

    Turner’s Pool & Spa Services in Fredericksburg does PDC it’s a solid choice,

  196. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:40 pm

    Not a lot of great brands there, loads of euro trash, and the big marketing corps selling their cheap overpriced shite with the goofy parts.

    too bad about the bad first impression but remember hot tub guys are going COVID mad… we have been run off our feet flat out for the last 90 days and we are becoming a little unraveled 🙂

  197. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:35 pm

    Both good tubs and there are no real plusses or minuses… get the pone with the better price tag and better dealer if applicable…

  198. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:34 pm

    talk then
    🙂

    happy hot tubbing

  199. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:34 pm

    heard of them and I don’t know enough to comment there is no real info on the brand I can find.

  200. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:31 pm

    The best thing about Hydropool is the marketing, the Artesian is in an entirely higher class with a better shell, better build, and better insulation… Hydropool is mass merchant quality but more expensive.

  201. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:30 pm

    Funnily enough, I talked to the turbo guy the other day, a nice guy builds good spas, I’m not fond of the torsion hose system I still think a regular line clamped is better but all in all, seemed like a good value for the money brand… but I’ve never seen one first hand so a lot of hearsay…

    Catalina is the mass merchant quality. Almost anything is better.

    honestly get my buyers service, I do 5-7 a week there and have loads of good contacts who will get us solid pricing.

  202. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:27 pm

    That’s a tough one man I cant find anything

  203. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:26 pm

    PDC spas

    Precision Pool and Spa
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  204. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:24 pm

    You might want to try the challenger if yer doing triathlons you might find the trainer series right on the edge whereas the challenger will definitely keep up with your training.

    the rollup seems like a good product I’m monitoring 10 in the field right now going back around 3+ years and everyone loves them and no real issues.

  205. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:21 pm

    Florida is like the west coast

    There is a couple of brothers that dominate the entire state, they sell more tubs than all the rest of the dealers combined…

    They are low overhead high volume. Its why there are so few retailers, the only guys hanging on are the massively overpriced heavily marketed and advertised brands like hot springs and Jacuzzi and the low-end crap.

    There are no good brands locally but there are tons of service guys.

    Hit up southeast spas, they are just opening a third location and I know the service that area. their prices are good and they carry master which is solid, none of my other top 5 brands is around there.

    I don’t have the new location but call this number they can help you
    1 239-202-0225

  206. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:14 pm

    numbers 5 and 6 if anything…

    My advice is this:

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Also download this app It lets you Manage your hot tub chemistry without hassle, diagnose and fix water issues, troubleshoot any problems and even request service on your tub. Spa Star will do all that and more and best of all IT’S FREE!
    https://www.spa-star.net/

  207. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:13 pm

    The reality is its likely just the main manifolds that are split. honestly, I would repair it the likely hood is you will be in for 8 hours of labor and a couple hundred in parts. even if you split pump heads it would only add another $300 or so… I would guess all said and done you would be $1500-2k

    amazon 2-3k tubs are delayed landfill.. that TS is a super good machine.

  208. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 12:25 pm

    Hi Jean

    Talk to Darren at city hot tubs he carries master spas and will take good care of you, I know him personally tell him Chris says hi.

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  209. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 12:23 pm

    Hi, Oliver, I emailed you on Wed, Jun 10, 9:43 AM

    check your spam filter if you don’t see it.

  210. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 9:33 am

    Hi Michael!

    OMG its too early in the morning for this, I laughed so hard I choked on my coffee, I love it… These are regular low to mid-end cradle supported shells with low-end insulation systems, and mid to low end jetting just like any mass merchant spa and they are worth right around $6k full pop retail the insane laughable retail prices on the site of $17-20+k literally are some arbitrary number some dumb shit threw out there to try and fool peeps into thinking these are good tubs… OMG whoever is in charge of their marketing needs to be replaced…

  211. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 9:04 am

    Yeah, it’s not so much a price increase its more that there were big discounts and deals available in a very competitive market place and margins were getting pretty thin, now there are not those big rebates available. wait a few months I think you will see the market settle back down and prices get more competitive.

  212. Reply
    admin June 10, 2020 at 5:10 pm

    Buyers’ service is always going to save you money but right now prices are high or more accurately the big discounts to attract business are not present.

    I predict lead times will go out to 180 days for all brands and then the market will cool towards the end of the year but who knows.

  213. Reply
    admin June 10, 2020 at 5:08 pm

    Right now I would say your lucky to get one for $10,500.

  214. Reply
    admin June 10, 2020 at 5:06 pm

    Hi Darcy

    It’s south seas by artesian. I think you need to upgrade it to full foam. no problem for parts, its all OEM standard You could buy different jets for the larger sockets not many options for the small sockets though.

    The jetting on the Rio is a mix there are quite a few of the high flow therapy jets but the neck and shoulder are the small low flow jets, it’s going to be ok… the Antiqua jetting is pretty much the same unless they have bigger pumps in the Antigua it doesn’t look much better. the HL is again very similar jetting with the small low flow neck shoulder jetting

    The 7.2 has a lot more of the high flow therapy jets and yep the pricing seems to be climbing everywhere… and everyone is 90-180 days right now.

    the big plus to the twilight is the neck jets… 4 of the 3.5″ high flow therapy jets, its the best massage jet package of any well-built spa on the market right now.

  215. Reply
    admin June 10, 2020 at 2:02 pm

    Hey Tim

    I think for you being on an island the dealer isn’t going to matter much 🙂 there is a local hot tub service guy on Orcas and one on Fidalgo and the nearest brand I would consider would be Seattle…

    And yes I think you are looking 12 weeks for a hot tub and some brands a lot more…

    Honestly, you might as well go to a wholesaler you will save money for sure and a retailer isn’t going to be much use to you out there.

    if you decide to buy and your budget is $6k+ hire me on the private buyers service Ill save you money and help when you need it down the road…

  216. Reply
    admin June 10, 2020 at 1:54 pm

    check yer other post.

    I’m not aware of that model and can’t find anything on it what price?

  217. Reply
    admin June 10, 2020 at 1:53 pm

    Nope… they invited me in with open arms then COVID sidelined my visit 🙁 as soon as things open back up we will revisit.

  218. Reply
    admin June 10, 2020 at 1:52 pm

    They used to be a big player now they are a little operation. I toured the factory last Jan and they didn’t make the cut for my top list. the shell that they sp[end so much time on in the marketing is just a regular mid-level cradle supported shell with these thin strips of metal that honestly were a joke. parts are a mixed bag and insulation is a mixed bag… if you get one with the balboa heating and control system and upgrade the insulation they wouldn’t be a nightmare brand just upper middle.

    Calypso Blue Pool & Spa in Columbia sells Artesian

    And hit my man Ben up he sells Masters there. ben@eastcoastspas.com

    Fireworks Hearth & Home in Haddam does PDC all better tubs

  219. Reply
    admin June 10, 2020 at 1:45 pm

    That’s a super low price… I’m seeing them go for a lot more esp right now $8k +.

  220. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 10:09 am

    Hey, dave shoot me a pic of the crack. ill email you.

  221. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 10:07 am

    I toured the factory last Jan, mixed bag, I wouldn’t put int in my nightmare group but there are some things that kept it out of my top group for sure.

    The Shell was just a regular mid-grade cradle supported shell and all the BS marketing around the steel re-enforcing was nonsense, the thin metal strips were clearly for show they were so lightweight that the added almost nothing to the shell structure. They used to be a big player and now they are a small operator but they still have the hangover… Way too many skews and options it made the production line a mess and there were a lot fo tubs on the test bench with tagged issues, they use good parts on some and mid parts on others, low R-value insulation on some good on others.

    All in all I dont think it a nightmare brand but it should not be priced or compared to the higher end stuff.

  222. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 8:11 am

    Yep Costco would be right 🙂 typical middle fo the road stuff, not a nightmare but basically an inexpensive mass merchant quality hot tubs like all the rest.

  223. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 8:09 am

    Hi Wendy. They are cool looking for sure, but jetting wise they are pretty low end on the massage curve… they would be a good commercial application I guess but honestly why unless yer totally in love with the look?

    they look uncomfortable as hell.

  224. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 8:07 am

    You likely inadvertently set your filter rate to high and its overheating from the reclaimed motor waste heat, set you filter rate to 4hrs every 12

    download spastar and run the troubleshooter.

  225. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 8:06 am

    I can’t because I don’t like them… they don’t last and they chew yer cover to shit. Get a regular top mount cover lifter

  226. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 8:04 am

    Honestly, the pricing on them makes me laugh. Its got an inexpensive ABS plastic shell that requires pedestal supporting and while their parts are at least OEM they are not my top brands. The whole pod’s things a bit gimmicky and by their own admission, they use way less pipe so why the price tag? it really should be in the mid-price point but fantastic expensive branding, advertising, and marketing trick you into thinking its really next-gen and its really just a mid-end tub with some goofy tech…

  227. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 8:00 am

    done 🙂

    I took a badly needed day off yesterday 🙂 first real solid day off since March 🙂

  228. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 7:58 am

    I think the price reflects what you could get really good swim spa for and you are buying a mid-grade swim spa. Hydropool is owned by a US equity investment group whos strength is making mid-grade spas sound freeking awesome with scads fo money spent on branding, adverting and marketing… in the end its mid-grade cradle supported shell, with an insulation system of Mylar which was basically banned in the 9=80’s as a primary insulator in any regulated industry. Cheap low R-value.

    In your area go look at the Coast, and the H2X both better built, better insulated. Coast you can find at rec warehouse H2X you can find here:

    Master spa Toronto
    Griffin Ryan
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    admin June 9, 2020 at 7:53 am

    The beachcomber is the only one worth looking at the other ones are landfill that just has to go through your backyard first… here is the Evolution, and the Aqyuatera is similar… all mass merchant tubs are crap honestly man the beachcomber is the only one ever to be sold through any mass merchant that wasn’t crap but look at the price!!! You can get better from a local retailer, plus that spa has one serous cut corner that makes it a nightmare if it gets a leak… The sides cant come off… It’s insane, if you get a leak even under warranty you have to pay to have it removed to a facility they then fix it under warranty then you pay to have it reinstalled… Over a grand for sure…

  230. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 7:48 am

    Hi Greg

    So dual lounger spas are a rare breed 🙂 most second-time buyers don’t buy loungers there are a few that hit your mark.

    But for feet massage the lounger foot jets are not going to do much, honestly, for tough old dogs, you need the big 10″ foot jets with a dedicated pump…

    This one has everything, the good 3.5″ high flow jetting for legs and feet and neck and the 10″ monsters for a serious foot massage

    https://www.masterspas.com/twilight/ts-873

    Try here for pricing.

    Hot Tubs Inc
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    340-417-8728 kgreenwell@hottubsinc.com
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    The reno from PDC as well, https://www.pdcspas.com/spas/luxury/reno check it out here:

    Sweetwater Pool & Spa Center
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    admin June 7, 2020 at 1:06 pm

    the only local thing you have is Tubbys and they do Maxx which is just mass merchant quality low end stuff.

    there is a service guy about 20km form you called the Hot Tub Medic in Kirkfield so as long as you stay with standard parts yer good.

    There is a coast dealer in Thornhill and a master dealer in Mississauga with a location in Barrie…

    Hit griff up

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    admin June 7, 2020 at 1:02 pm

    Regular mass merchant type quality with a cradle supported shell, cheap low R-Value insulation, and some goofy no name heating and control system.

  233. Reply
    admin June 7, 2020 at 8:48 am

    Its the middle ground like most tubs, Cradle supported shell with a low R-value cheap insulation system.

  234. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 9:02 pm

    you should get my private buyers service.

    Here are hot tubs

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/13CReQWWdzlfjfk2xBw9V6B22TpLcWrC3/view?usp=sharing

    you should get my private buyers service.

  235. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 8:56 pm

    good price and a good tub

  236. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 8:56 pm

    they build goos swimmers, with good parts and good insulation.

    performance wise the trainer series is solid with good flow rates.

    price seems about right. might be able to get a free set of lifters if you push 🙂

  237. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 8:52 pm

    Precision 7 Good price well-built spa with good parts and good insulation.

    Cal 749B is similar performance, I did their factory tour last Jan and it was a mix, The bullshit marketing about the shell was a serious let down… it was such a thin strip of metal it was clearly for marketing and not for build quality, a mix of good and second parts and way too many options and skews, their production was a mess they seemed to be doing mid-volume and trying to run way too many skews… They need to restructure…

    Naw Master or Artesian, or PDC or I think Coast but i need to travel 🙁

    Colorado custom sells artesian thier garden and south seas models might hit the price

    also Aqua Spas
    Rin Longmont, and in Castle Rock carry master look at the Getaway line and the clarity spas

  238. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 8:52 pm

    Precision 7 Good price well-built spa with good parts and good insulation.

    Cal 749B is similar performance, I did their factory tour last Jan and it was a mix, The bullshit marketing about the shell was a serious let down… it was such a thin strip of metal it was clearly for marketing and not for build quality, a mix of good and second parts and way too many options and skews, their production was a mess they seemed to be doing mid-volume and trying to run way too many skews… They need to restructure…

    Naw Master or Artesian, or PDC or I think Coast but i need to travel 🙁

    Coplorado custom sells artesian thier garden and south seas models might hit the price

    also Aqua Spas
    Rin Longmont, and in Castle Rock carry master look at the Getaway line and the clarity spas

  239. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 8:37 pm

    Yep, I got a guy 🙂

    I will send you an email.

  240. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 8:36 pm

    LMFAO

    Me 🙂

    I have a little retail store there 🙂

    The worst part is 2 of the brands in my top 5 compete against me here 🙁

    McBurney’s is a local pool shop that does Beachcomber, a solid brand and a good company.

    Then some crap, then Hot Tub Universe. talk to Theresa, she is top of the pile 🙂

    If You buy my private buyers service I cant save you a penny we always sell at the same price 🙁

  241. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:55 pm

    Hi Andrea.

    Yeah, Hot Springs is great! at marketing and advertising and branding :-), there is no way they are worth any more than middle priced spas, they are fairly middle of the road performance, full of proprietary parts and they don’t even clamp the plumbing lines, they use 20-year-old tech with internally glued manifold… blows my mind that they sell those things for 2x what they are worth but that’s marketing for you. On the high ends the shell can’t even hold together its so flimsy so they fill the cavity with high-density structural foam to keep it from breaking which encases your plumbing and makes it insanely expensive and problematic to find and fix leaks. I swear Costco would be a better bang for your buck and that’s saying a lot because they are crap too but at least you are paying the right price for the crap 🙂

    You got a beachcomber, Coast and master dealer there, they are all better built better performance spas.

  242. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:36 pm

    Beachcomber for sure out of that mix the performance is not great but at least they are built well with good parts, the only real issue I have is the nonremovable skirt… insane.. when they leak yer screwed, and don’t buy the hybrid option its bad tech…

    The Arctic is all cheap Chinese proprietary parts low R-value insulation, and they don’t even bother to clamp the plumbing lines, the best thing about the brand is the brochure you’d be better with a Costco tub and that ain’t saying much.

    Maxx is again not great in this case its the cradle supported shell, similar insulation to the arctic and again no clamps on the plumbing…

  243. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:29 pm

    BF is wack a doodle on price especially considering its a fairly inexpensive spa to build it has a low-end ABS shell that requires a pedestal supporting system and a mid-grade parts list, by their own admission they use less pipe so why is it expensive??? I know what it costs to build hot tubs and this one is not expensive to build. No reason other than the tons of cash spent on marketing, advertising and branding bullshit 🙂

    better options… Coast spas at Del Mar Pools and Spas In Danbury

    Artesian spas at Royal Pools & Spas in Newburgh

    Or my dude Ben at east coast spas… ben@eastcoastspas.com

  244. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:17 pm

    Solid price for a twin pump tub with a good selection of the 5″ high flow jets, it’s built well with good parts

  245. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:16 pm

    sorry, Tammy, I was swamped!! I answered it 🙂

  246. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:15 pm

    Happy hot Tubbing

  247. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:12 pm

    Nope

    they won’t let me in 🙂 not sure if they are stupid stubborn or hiding but after that shit show of a spa, I got I’m not referring them any business until I see under the lid…

  248. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:11 pm

    solid tub good price

  249. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:09 pm

    Damn sorry man yes a refund is on route.

    I’ve been swamped I just got back comments down from over 90 to 10 🙂

  250. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:08 pm

    Thanks, Ed ill pass on the compliment, Michaela was born in the UK we lived in west sussex for a decade 🙂 so she had a soft spot for you 🙂

    Happy Hottubbing

  251. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:06 pm

    I like Coast built well and reliable with good parts but that’s a really steep price especially for the jet package which only has four fo the 5″ expensive hi flow therapy massage jets, and mostly the cheap 1.5″ low flow jets… the neck and shoulder jetting is again 1 little low flow jets which will do nothing for long term neck and shoulder therapy, no serious foot jet system either… honestly you can get the same bulkd quality and performance form many brand sin the 10 k range.

    Check out the Twilight and LSX spas they should be in that price range the build quality is comparable and the jetting package worth 2k more…

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  252. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:01 pm

    Dynasty has had a bad reputation and just read the customer comments at the end of this review…

    Dynasty review

  253. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:00 pm

    Its Catalina spas direct brand it’s middle of the road the same as most brands and mass merchant spas.

  254. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:58 pm

    only one top brand around you go see these guys

    Master Pool & Spa
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  255. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:56 pm

    Im so sorry I missed this refund on the way!

  256. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:53 pm

    Good catch. its Dynastys dodge the bad rep plan Bahama spas is Dynasty and Ive never had a brand with so many complaints against it…:-)

  257. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:51 pm

    Hot Tub Service Plus Ltd.
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    Ian’s Hot tub Service
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    Fix My Hot Tub Oakville
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    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:29 pm

    Hi Mike

    Everyone is 90 days at least unless its an in-stock unit or on route.

    Sundance is not a great brand, it’s a low-end performance-wise tub with basic jetting, the equity investment firm that owns them is way way better at sping marketing and branding than making hot tubs and its full of proprietary parts, that tubs worth around $9k

    Bullfrog is middle of the road with a low-end ABS plastic shell that requires pedestal supporting and a second rate heating and control system, but it’s better than the Sundance for sure… at least the parts are OEM

    Artesian is a super well-built spa with way better performance but again the price is high… yes there is covid gouging going on because the market is so busy… its not going to get better anytime soon.

    Hit griff up tell him you came through me and I asked him nicely to get you a decent price… look at the LSX series and the twilights, they are built to the same standard as the Artesian with the same parts…

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  259. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:23 pm

    Hi Erica

    Nothing wrong with that pricing.

    the sams club tubs a piece of delayed landfill, don’t buy spas from mass merchants they suck.

  260. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:21 pm

    Hi, Chris, no wait at all… I’m so long on these answers because im swamped with Private buyers service but its a fast responsive service.

  261. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:20 pm

    yep Ill email you

  262. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:20 pm

    go see my buddy Nick

    Hot Tub Store
    thehottubstore2@aol.com

    The Hot Tub Store
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    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:19 pm

    Yeah for sure… that’s expensive for a good tub but it just proves what I always say… Mass merchants are not good prices on good tubs they are just cheap crappy spas… as soon as they get a decent spa the price is high…

    The only drawback to beachcomber besides the stupid high p[ricing is they are mid to low end performance wise and they have nonremovable skirts which is idiocy… if you get a leak (and yes they do leak from time to time like any spa) you can’t fix them without removing them to a facility… it costs a fortune.

    check out the getaway hot tubs and clarity spas same build quality and better performance my buddy grif sells them at

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    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:09 pm

    I got a guy I work with there il email you the details.

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    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:08 pm

    P Kornfeind Pool & Spa Service LLC
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  266. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:06 pm

    Its a decent tub the neck and shoulder jetting, unfortunately, is only low flow 1.5″ jets but its well built and overall a mid-performance spa.

    I hate the damn foot domes though, they are a serious tripping hazard, no one with a clue does jets and plumbing under the floor, they are prone to leak because people walk on them and a bitch to fix, plus it means running water under the floor where there is so little insulation you bleed tons of heat through conduction…

  267. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:03 pm

    Garden Leisure is mid-grade and copies their color schemes and names to fool people 🙂 I do not like the insulation, they use icynene but instead of spending the money to fill the cavity they just use a couple inches… cheap and nowhere near code for a house in any northern region. They glue and clamp the plumbing but don’t use the more expensive barbed fittings, I do not like circ pumps they are a gimmick and they don’t use Balboa control and heating systems which for me is a total deal-breaker… in fact, there are loads that knock this out of my ok range.

    try Coast spas form these guys

    Syracuse Pool and Patio
    Coast spas
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    admin June 6, 2020 at 1:53 pm

    hit these guys up

    Artesian – Oasis Outdoor
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    admin June 6, 2020 at 1:50 pm

    Hi Karen.

    one of the reasons I’m so late answering this is I’m swamped with private buyer services.. its a winner I always save you more than my fee and stand behind you if you ever have issues. It’s like being in protective custody 🙂

    I can help you there for sure…

  270. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 1:49 pm

    both good brands but you are right the neck and shoulder jetting are a smash on the TS series but right again on pricing..

    see if you can get the dealer to move…

  271. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 1:48 pm

    PDC here
    Precision Pool and Spa
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    admin June 6, 2020 at 1:40 pm

    Hi, I would look at the Coast the Artesian and the Tropic seas only from pelican the other brands are not nearly as good.

    https://www.coastspas.com/spa-model.php?s=cs-mirage-curve-51
    https://southseasspas.com/965l-deluxe/
    https://artesianspas.com/island-spas/bimini/

    Also, hit my man Ben up and look at the clarity balance 9 and the MPL 900

    BEN@eastcoastspas.com

    https://www.masterspas.com/clarity/cls-balance-9
    https://www.masterspas.com/legend-series/mp_legend-lsx-900-hot-tub

  273. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 1:33 pm

    you have loads of options

    Soakers in Midvale sells artesian
    But my two goto peeps would be

    Leisure Pool & Spa
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    PDC – Clear Springs
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  274. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 11:21 am

    Hi Michael

    the “self-cleaning” is a bit of a gimmicky tub it’s from Hydropool which is owned by an American equity investment firm they do great marketing but the tub itself has a lesser quality cradle supported shell and a cheap low r-value insulation system, Mylar was basically banned as a primary insulator in any regulated industry…

    I’m not sure about the pricing but I would expect it to come in around $12-$13k ish

  275. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 12:35 pm

    shit if yer not under warranty use a local service guy if you are under warranty yer screwed…

    post this under the strong spa review and paste a link tot he reviews on all your social media sites… these guys suck…

    I can’t help you much because they already hate me and get slagged off all the time on my site because y=they suck and therefore I have no threat to make them fix your nightmare…

  276. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 12:32 pm

    It’s not a bad price for either of those tubs

  277. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 12:29 pm

    Bullfrog is a middle of the road It has a less expensive ABS plastic shell which requires pedestal supporting and a OEM parts list that while better then the propritary stuff is not quite tier one.

    all in all its overpriced with a lot spent on marketing and branding and advertising to justify a high retail price.

  278. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 11:18 am

    yep they do i visted the factory last year they are a solid builder

  279. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 11:17 am

    I have no one there at all!

  280. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 11:00 am

    Fewer connections for sure but if you are gluing and clamping lines leaks are not an issue…

    I ran the math for friction losses with the flow rates a couple of times and the math seems right the big pipe with the high flow rate has more loss to friction than the small pipe with low flow rate, I didnt work in turbulence but with a higher flow rate that would be again negative for that system.

  281. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:58 am

    No idea, I’ve heard about it but its a little goofy and never get peeps asking about it and no time right no to properly investigate it sorry man!

  282. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:56 am

    hit up my buiddy Ben tell him chris sent you ben@eastcoastspas.com

  283. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:55 am

    YEP

  284. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:55 am

    no one right around you call the factory direct.. also check out these guys locaLLY

    Hot Tub Store
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    nickvee30@yahoo.com My Cell # is: 586 214 1001

    Thanks so much,
    Nick Vendittelli
    The Hot Tub Store
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  285. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:53 am

    Run like hell.

    I have never had so many people report issues with the Dynasty brand and Bahama spas is just a new name to hide the old scars… read the comments at the bottom of my review,

  286. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:46 am

    Hey, Ed its Chris I’m Michaela dad 🙂

    She has been helping me and seems to have learned a lot through osmosis of years of listening to me yell about hot tubs 🙂

    I am not aware of the differences sorry, but hit them up and ask them for an explainer!

  287. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:44 am

    Beachcomber is not a nightmare unless you get a leak then the non-removable skirt that saved you $400 will cost you a fortune… dumbass thing to have on a spa, if those guys tweaked their business model just a bit they would be tier-one… and by the way they are still a better buy than 80% of the crap out there.

    hit these guys up they rock and service your area, the Clarity spa or getaway would compare nicely and have better performance and removable skirts.

    Valley Pool & Spa
    Status: HTU All-Star
    Approved brands: Master, H2X, MPL, Twilight, Phelps swim spas

    I spent 3 days with the wonderful folks from valley Pool and spa. These guys are in a class of their own and carry my goto brand Master.

    info@valleypoolandspa.com Sean, Sonya
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    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:40 am

    its a good tub built by artesian no worries dude happy hot tubbing

  289. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:40 am

    forget reviews, Forbes says like 70% are fake I bet its a lot more… trust me the corporate asshats are using reting and review sites as gorilla marketing playgrounds its 90% bullshit…

    the Aretsain is far and away the better tub on every front.

  290. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:39 am

    Hi Bryce

    master and Artesian are known brands with visibility of the factory and proof of build quality, I’ve not had good luck with Marquis, the one I got my hands on was a bit of a wreck.

  291. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:37 am

    for massage focus on the jets on the pumps… you want big jets 3.5″ and 5″ high flow the little 1.5″ jets don’t do much… I would go to the footballer option with 45 jets if you want massage.

  292. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:36 am

    plastic shell and although the parts are OEM they are not the top ones, its not a nightmare brand by any means.

    In Edmonton you can get Coast, Beachcomber, Master… all better build choices and remember… you only see the inside of a hot tub when yer shopping and its empty 😉

  293. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:34 am

    three good brands locally

    Coast – Choice Pool & Spa
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    Spa & Pool Outlet
    Status: Unverified
    We know nothing about these guys but the carry Artesian of our goto brands
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    PDC, Nordic – Parrot Bay Pools & Spas
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    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:32 am

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Also download this app It lets you Manage your hot tub chemistry without hassle, diagnose and fix water issues, troubleshoot any problems and even request service on your tub. Spa Star will do all that and more and best of all IT’S FREE!
    https://www.spa-star.net/

  295. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:30 am

    the only Artesian dealer around you that I can find is in Oxnard!

    Elite is a waste of money, goofy shit but no real value.

    There hardly any dealers in LA anymore, its too expensive to have a showroom but there are loads of service centers around you, most people buy from wholesalers around there.

    It’s a good solution you save a couple of grand on the price, there are tons of service guys so that’s not an issue and with apps like SpaStar most of what you need a dealer for is on your phone now…

    You should get my private buyers service, I do one or 2 a week around there and have lots of good contacts for good brands at good prices, including Whiteswan.

    Artesian, Coast Whiteswan Pools & Spas
    also jac and caldera
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    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:26 am

    There are 4 or 5 service centers around you you should be fine all the parts on that spa are easily sourced OEM parts

    A1 Spa Services & Sales
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  297. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:23 am

    Hi Kyle

    The jacuzzi and Arctic are not great spas, both are full of cheaper proprietary parts and the Arctic doesn’t even clamp the plumbing lines and the insulation is only R-8

    The coast is a lot better and don’t worry about the parts, the shell design was discontinued but it uses the same easily sourced reliable OEM parts as all the really well-made spas.

  298. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:20 am

    Only one of their lines is made in America, most is made in Mexico.

    the parts are available but there not great parts and they are overpriced because they are proprietary instead of being open-sourced OEM parts.

    they are not expensive spas, the shells are mid-end and in some cases supported by high-density foam like most mid to low end tubs which makes the plumbing a nightmare to get at. they don’t clamp the plumbing. honestly if you took the crazy amount of money they spend on branding advertising and marketing out fo the equation they would be mid end mid priced spas.

  299. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:17 am

    No idea it’s a goofy proprietary part. the problem with these brands is you need a specialist in the brand because its all proprietary.

  300. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:15 am

    Its like all the mass merchants spas and cheap internet spas, low end jetting mid build qauity dodgy low R-value insulation you simply can not build a good spa and sell it for that price… if it seems to good to be true….

  301. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:14 am

    Thats a great price, the TS massage is way better than the Clarity or any other tub out there in my opinion. comfort in a dry tub is nothing you fill it them you float and that negates all the comfort 🙂

  302. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:00 am

    Hi Guys

    So first off if you are buying local that’s the only brand around you worth considering.

    I’m not a fan of loungers and unless you have been in a hot tub lounger and love them I would take the Barbados out of the mix. that being said I don’t think there is any real value to upgrading to the elite series.. lots of gimmicky bells and whistles but nothing that will make it a tub worth the extra spend.

    One lounger is ok but again it makes it an awkward seating are for 4 people but remember primarily this is for 2 peeps, I personally would not make my buying decision based on the odd 4 or more hot tub session…

    I would look at the captive 45 jet with dual foot blasters https://artesianspas.com/island-spas/captiva/#_self

    Or the Antigua 45 jet with dual foot blasters… https://artesianspas.com/island-spas/antigua/#_self

    They should be somewhere between the two in price.

  303. Reply
    admin June 2, 2020 at 7:41 am

    Hi Ven

    Im not a fan of any of those brands, they are all owned byby the same equity investment group with the same MO, spend loads on BS marketing and advertising and branding use lots of proprietary parts and sell these middle fo the road tubs for big bucks on the back of the advertising…

    look at the Mickinly… This is a mid-level performance tub with most of the jets being the cheap little 1.5″ low flow jets and only 8 of the more expensive high low therapy jets… there is no real neck or foot jetting again just a couple of low flow 1.5″ jets, they won’t do anything for tough bits like feet or high tension big muscle masses like neck and shoulders… gimmicks… in general also stay away from foot domes they are a nightmare you trip over them all the time, and if they leak they are a nightmare to fix and because they are in the floor where everyone steps on them they are high leak jets… Did the sales guy keep a straight face when he spun out that bullshit that this tub is worth $13,500??? lol in the really-real world this tub is overpriced at $8695… here is a tub with similar jetting, better build with better parts and in SF you can get it for around $7500

    There are a few good dealers around you but honestly, most dealers are gone except these high margin gimmick brands, most of the tubs there are bought from wholesalers and just look at all the hot tub service guys around you…

    SF service

    Man buy my private buyers service, I will buy over 500 hot tubs for customers this year and I always save you at least the cost fo the service…

  304. Reply
    admin June 1, 2020 at 2:07 pm

    I do I sent an email today check your spam filter!

  305. Reply
    admin June 1, 2020 at 2:05 pm

    I know Tim from Atlas 🙂

    good lads and that’s a great price esp in this market right now

  306. Reply
    admin June 1, 2020 at 2:05 pm

    shit man, you didn’t piss me off 🙂 I’m just messing with you 🙂

  307. Reply
    admin June 1, 2020 at 2:04 pm

    Hi Nev.

    The opposite seems to be true… they went from gecko heating and controls which is a decent OEM system to private label parts out of china 🙁 no clamps on the plumbing and hardly anything spent on the insulation… they need to take that massive advertising, branding, marketing budget and divert some of it into better build practices… they do a good shell and an over-engineered base but the rest is Meh…

    try Coast, master, Artesian, PDC even beachcomber would be better.

  308. Reply
    admin June 1, 2020 at 2:01 pm

    Hi Jen

    There are two good choices for you locally

    First off let’s dispel a misconception. it’s not practical to vary the temperature unless you mean seasonally… they take a long time to heat up and a lot longer to cool down. so if like me you want 98 or so in winter and 85 or so in summer no worries but if you are thinking girls night crank the temp then pool the next day forget it, it would cost a fortune and they do not cool down fast at all esp in the summer…

    If you really want this then you want a dual-zone with one side hot and the other cooler really a swim spa is not a hot tub its an all-weather pool a dual-zone is really 2 units a swim spa and a hot tub.

    You have 2 good local options outdoorlivingwholesale.com in sterling sell PDC spas +1 703-480-0964

    then I got a guy I know and recommend for H2x

    Hot Tubs Inc
    Kevin Greenwood
    340-417-8728 kgreenwell@hottubsinc.com
    Master spa Micheal Phelps. Sam Greenwell daughter. I have spent me than a few days with Kevin the owner over the years and these guys run a great program and carry one of my favorite brands.

    1925 Norfolk Dr, Owings, MD 20736
    http://www.hottubsinc.com
    +1 410-257-6513

  309. Reply
    admin June 1, 2020 at 1:27 pm

    Woah

    It sounds like a mess.

    The deliver thing I wouldn’t be too hard on… COVID has made delivery travel and everything else take 4x longer.

    Sounds like a shipping nightmare, honestly right now yer lucky to find a tub in under 6-12 weeks from anybody, stock levels are nonexistent and prices are soaring.

    If it got beat around on shipping remember all sides and corners are just cosmetic panels that can be replaced, same with the cover.

    I know when it all goes wrong it can be infuriating what has the retailer said?

  310. Reply
    admin June 1, 2020 at 8:11 am

    Hi Karen

    Right now that price is really good, there are no great deals because everyone is selling out of hot tubs but that price is great.

    The Hydropool is a thin cradle supported shell and a laughable insulation system, the hot springs are full of proprietary parts and from what I hear there are none for months their Mexican factories are heavily affected by COVID.

  311. Reply
    admin May 31, 2020 at 11:45 am

    Hi Kristen

    The beachcomber is a good tub but there is one serious drawback and that’s the non-removable skirt… It brutal, if you get a leak you can’t fix them they need to go to the factory and be elevated and fixed from underneath 🙂 its pure idiocy and can cost you thousands even under warranty because the warranty does not cover removal and transport and reinstall…

    White swan is a good group I deal with them fairly regularly I can’t find a 35 jet spa on their site is it a single pump or a twin?

    Also, I think maybe you were on the Canadian Costco site… the stuff at Costco US is crap.

    There are tons of service guys around you so you could look at wholesalers as well, but $5300 sound slike a tight price again dep[ending on the spec…

  312. Reply
    admin May 31, 2020 at 11:35 am

    got ya!

  313. Reply
    admin May 31, 2020 at 11:34 am

    That’s a bit high for sure, but its COVID and right now everything is longer harder and more expensive 🙁

  314. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:47 pm

    PDC used to build most of the Endless stuff, then an equity investment firm bought them and no wit corporate gobble land 🙁

    the PDC and Master are good options.

  315. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:45 pm

    Answered on your other post 🙂

    Happy Hot Tubbing 🙂

  316. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:44 pm

    no worries 🙂

  317. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:44 pm

    hey barry

    Fair price in this market for sure.

    Artesian is miles above the other guys for quality… then BF then Sundance

    buy fast the markets going nuts lead times are gonna hit 10 weeks soon for all brands

  318. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:41 pm

    Alright at first you pissed me off not giving me yer postcode because it adds work to heling you… then I searched yer IP and Saw Gan… bloody Gods country 🙂

    My uncle Jim Pettit was a Gan man and we spend many a winter day snowmobiling around the area…

    Salts crap… and everyone knows it but it sells spas so they keep pitching it 🙂

    The truth that no Hot Tub manufacturer will ever admit is this: No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    I do have a few service guys around you but no good brands, and your prices are high… do my private buyers service if you are gonna buy, ill save you a lot and get you a good spa…

    I literally get two of these a day and Ive refunded one in the 2 in the last year… my deal is if I cant save you at least they fee Ill refund the difference.

  319. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:32 pm

    I talked to the owner in vegas, again the shell is the issue… It a plastic shell and it might be desirable I’m not sure but it’s cheap to make so the spa should be cheap but this less expensive shell is billed and marketed as better…

  320. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:31 pm

    Meh, its middle fo the road, ABS plastic shell has some stability issues and requires pedestals to support it, its a cheaper shell to build and not anywhere near the league of a good high-end fiberglass shell… Bullfrog review

    give me a zip fer gods sake man 🙂 yer IP searches as 14020 area… so ill go with that…

    Go see these guys and see the PDC spas

    eep Blue Pool & Spa
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    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:24 pm

    It’s not out of your range… hit ben up

    ben@eastcoastspas.com

  322. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:22 pm

    Nice it’s a good tub 🙂

    buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Also download this app It lets you Manage your hot tub chemistry without hassle, diagnose and fix water issues, troubleshoot any problems and even request service on your tub. Spa Star will do all that and more and best of all IT’S FREE!
    https://www.spa-star.net/

  323. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:18 pm

    75…

  324. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:18 pm

    the upside is this… with your 6 posts when I finally found you you got me to only 76 posts left 🙂

  325. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:17 pm

    Right now I’m seeing prices jump dealers are starting to charge a lot more than they were pre COVID, some are valid, currency fluctuations, transportation cost increase, supply issues so right now those prices are really good… im seeing TS 7’s going to 10k some places and similar bumps on Artesians. I think artesian right now is 8 to 12 weeks out on stuff and master 6-8 I know both factories are telling dealers shorter times but I think there is going to be a big drought on hot tubs, the levels of sales are not sustainable and the production has been reduced.

    grab one

    and again sorry for the delay man 🙁

  326. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:12 pm

    Sorry man 🙁 my bad I lost you in the shuffle I answered on the other post 🙂

  327. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:07 pm

    Dude, I’m sorry I’ve had three people now that I’m just not getting alerts for 🙁 I’ve got my man working on it.

    I’ll happily refund the $40 if you want.

    David’s is a great dealer and the prices are solid.

    Artesian typically builds good spas and I need to confirm the build on this line but I don’t have time 🙂 I did talk to some people I trust who gave me the impression it’s built to the same standard but you need to pay for some upgrades like full foam… Your info will go into the knowledge bank, verify it if you can :-))

    The precision has added a 3.5″ high flow jet to the two 1.5″ low flow jest in the neck-shoulder seat, its a big improvement over the 2 – 1.5″ low flows for sure

    Neither tub is a bad buy man yer totally on the right track, go with what fits you better.

  328. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 7:43 pm

    Hey Bonnie

    Thanks for the support, this site is killing me right now, I’ve been working 60+ hour weeks 7 days straight since March and I’m losing my marbles 😜

    Plug and play are ok but they need a really good insulation system because conservation is king when its cold out and the tub only has the power from a plug 🙂

    Also on a cold day esp if it’s not a well-sheltered area they lose heat quickly, so you can stay in them that long. If you want to soak then its an issue.

    My advice is going to a plug-in unit that is convertible to 230v… it’s a simple 2-minute procedure to change the voltage on the pack so if you do find that the plugin isn’t your bag you can get a sparky to run the wire and whammo the heater is 4x stronger and more efficient 😉

    Honestly go see my buddy lewis at Crocker sales and look at the Ochos Rios By Getaway Hot Tubs

    Crocker Sales Co Inc
    http://www.crockersales.com

    9 High St, Woburn, MA 01801
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    +1 781-933-2006

  329. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 2:55 pm

    Hi Kevin

    The South Seas are good reliable well-built spas but I can’t find a 248B model anywhere.

    I would Not have a jacuzzi in my list, it’s way overpriced and has a goofy proprietary parts list.

  330. Reply
    admin May 29, 2020 at 4:50 pm

    they are both good spas with easily sourced OEM parts.

    thier high end big jet count spas are going to be on par with the high end high jet count versions of Artesian

  331. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 9:11 pm

    Hey Ven

    Sorry for the long response times its crazy busy

    They are both owned by the same equity investment company and neither one are worth that price even now during COVID hot tub insanity. It funny that they said it was $4600 off 🙂 did they keep a straight face? the best thing about either of those brands in the marketing and advertising and expensive 90’s style branding 🙂

    There is a Coast dealer and a master dealer both will be better quality better parts and similar pricing, compare them to the entry-level lines because performance-wise they will be in a similar class, the higher ends of both brands will blow away the jetting packages on those tubs.. run the hell away dude yer being played by really good marketing and sales peeps 🙂

    the guy in Sac does master and there are tons of service guys around you and the guy in Modesto Gordo’s Pool City Inc does artesian both solid choices.

    Hot Tub & Spa Emporium – Sacramento
    Twilight, Healthy Living, Balance, Trainers, Nordic Spas

    todd@sachottub.com
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    admin May 28, 2020 at 8:56 pm

    That’s expensive.

    tell them to sharpen their pencil you can get that lower… buy my private buyers service ill save you more than the fee for sure on that tub.

  333. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 8:55 pm

    mid end mass merchant kind of quality and performance.. it like most fo the stuff out there, not a nightmare but not a super well built unit.

  334. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 8:54 pm

    sorry … busy7… got to it see the other post

  335. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 8:54 pm

    No idea and no real info on the site no time to delve in right now 🙁

  336. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 8:52 pm

    the cal. the Viking uses a plastic pedestal supported shell it’s ok but should be a lot less money… neither are great.

  337. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 8:51 pm

    Not sure about the jacuzzi, I never bother to look that deep at that brand because the proprietary parts make it a solid no go for me and the jetting is pretty Meh and the price is pretty LMFAO…

    the Hydropool last time I looked was Mylar 🙂 basically banned in any regulated industry and the butt of the jokes in the 80’s its now resurging ats the miracle space tech… 🙂 its cheap and low R-value…

    The equity investment company

  338. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 8:46 pm

    Not sure 🙁 haven’t had time to look at this line. typically May manufacturing builds good spas but the owners are getting old and not paying a lot of attention to what’s going on anymore.

    Sorry about the dumb asshats bashing each other… if they were a little bit smart they would handle it differently but the US political scene has made beating up your opponent instead of pointing out your advantages the norm it seems 🙂

  339. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 8:42 pm

    Everlast is made up brand it’s made by Strong pools and spas They keep coming up with a bunch of these names to hide behind after the Costco viral video, They are low-end spas cutting all the corners.. have a look at this video…

    dude yer going from one end to the other 🙂 compare that sams club to entry-level spas and it’s not even a great price. in between those two units are laods of good spas from solid manufacturers from the $5500 range and up.

    that same company you talked to has a really well built 2 pump 40 jets spa for the same kind of money ask them aboutt he getaway or clarity spas.

  340. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 3:17 pm

    Its an interesting mix, None of these are bad choices but they are very different monsters.

    for space I love the clarity, I’ts the only one fo the group with 3.5″ high flow pulse in the neck-shoulder seat with 2 of the little 1,5″ low flows the other two tubs,

    what jet packages did the Coast have? they have like 4 or 5 options for jetting on the low to mid-end they are below the clarity on the high end they are above it…

  341. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 2:17 pm

    Hi Jill

    We can get you a lot of good options there but the price of $8250 is as good as it will get on that one.

    The PDC stuff is really good but they will cost a bit more to heat, likely $50-$75 a year by the calculations I get.

    I also have good contacts for the other recommended brands around you.

    The problem with that market is a lack of independent service guys, some markets are ripe for buying wholesale because they have loads of service guys your I would have to dig into a little more and see what I can find before we went that route.

  342. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 10:45 am

    Hi Scott

    Trichlor does 2 things… it bleaches all the black bits grey, and if the levels get too high it trashes your headrests and cover… in low amounts its not an issue

    the di chlor is better for teh tub for sure, with spa marvel you just put a teaspoon every 2-3 days depending on usage…

  343. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 9:39 am

    We have 2 good local-ish brands first off Casual Patio Pools Spas & More sells Nordic in Katy, TX

    Spas Direct Of Texas sells Artesian, South Seas, Garden in Dickinson

    You also have 4 independent service guys around you so you can buy from out of the market… Get the SpaStar app it really helps if you buy not local.

    Hit these guys up they carry one of my top brands master spas.

    Master-Paradise Spas & Outdoor Living
    Dave Mac and Jason Nelson
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  344. Reply
    admin May 27, 2020 at 8:04 am

    Right now everything is pretty expensive its crazy busy in hot tub land.

    The best massage tub out there would be the twilight spa from master spas, the PDC high end would be close seconds

    have a look at the models on their web sites

    http://www.masterspas.com
    http://www.pdcspas.com

    try these guys:

    PDC – Quality Pools and Spas By Dick Mackey Chinchilla, PA
    or – Tubs & Stuff Windham, NY
    or – Chaffee’s Swimming Pools Goshen, NY

    Master Spas- BEN@eastcoastspas.com

  345. Reply
    admin May 26, 2020 at 7:53 pm

    PDC is the more expensive better-built tub

  346. Reply
    admin May 25, 2020 at 1:21 pm

    Yeah it’s well built with good parts and I love the open footwell so much room!

  347. Reply
    admin May 25, 2020 at 1:16 pm

    Happy hot tubbing dude and yer you are correct the clarity is a solid spa.

  348. Reply
    admin May 24, 2020 at 11:22 am

    Hi John

    The Bullfrog is better for sure than the Home depot stuff… buts not saying its a great tub either and that price is COVID crazy high… the industry is flat out with around 300+% increase in business and I am seeing some pricing just insanely high because there are simply no available tubs, its definitely a seller’s market. The downside of the Bullfrog is the ABS plastic pedestal supported shell, its a pretty serious downgrade for a high-end Hand-rolled fiberglass self-supporting shell. also while the parts are at least OEM they are no on my top list of parts. and that price is nuts its not worth anywhere near that but they spend a crazy amount on branding, marketing and all the other bullshit to make you think its a top-end in a class of its own spa, and its really not.

    American spas are really typical of mass merchant hot tubs, The shell construction is not great I want a self-supporting shell this one is cradle supported and worse yet it uses High-density foam on the shell for its support structure. This is a nightmare because if you ever get a leak this foam is structural and it makes it really hard (sometimes impossible ) to find and repair leaks… the price is nothing special either, Mass merchants are never a great place to buy hot tubs…

    Go see these guys…

    Crocker Sales Co Inc
    http://www.crockersales.com
    Rick Wright Customer retailor specialists
    rw@crockersales.com
    Dealers # +1 781-933-2006
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  349. Reply
    admin May 24, 2020 at 11:05 am

    Hey Ben

    American spas are really typical of mass merchant hot tubs, The shell construction is not great I want a self-supporting shell this one is cradle supported and worse yet it uses High-density foam on the shell for its support structure. This is a nightmare because if you ever get a leak this foam is structural and it makes it really hard (sometimes impossible ) to find and repair leaks… the price is nothing special either, Mass merchants are never a great place to buy hot tubs…

    the artesian is a far better build and insulation.

    I have a ton of people using my “private buyers service” in the area I always save you at least the cost of the service, and often a lot more.

  350. Reply
    admin May 24, 2020 at 10:48 am

    I am not a fan of jacuzzi or hydro pool they are both owned by the same equity investment group… the best thing about them is the marketing.

    Check out these guys: they sell PDC which is a good brand, Factory Direct Hot Tubs in Branford, CT

    Also I have guy I deal with a lot for master down there hit up my buddy ben.

    Factory Direct sals
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  351. Reply
    admin May 24, 2020 at 7:31 am

    The regular run of the mill tub with a cradle supported shell and low R-value insulation.

    Go see PDC at Northeastern Pools and Spas Louisville, OH 44641

    And go see master spas at

    Leisuretime Warehouse
    http://www.bestbuypoolsandspas.com
    Owners private info:
    Ted Baily or (Dallas) 440-623-7554
    ted@leisuretimewarehouse.com
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  352. Reply
    admin May 24, 2020 at 7:29 am

    see duplicate post reply

  353. Reply
    admin May 24, 2020 at 7:15 am

    answered

  354. Reply
    admin May 24, 2020 at 7:15 am

    personal taste, if you have lots of bugs the screened-in patio is nice but it’s also great to be under the stars…

  355. Reply
    admin May 24, 2020 at 7:14 am

    Viking is a mid to low end plastic shell tub with basic jetting and that price is high. The TS 8.25 is a top-end therapy massage spa and one of the best-built tubs around and that price is crazy low, it should be $10k

  356. Reply
    admin May 24, 2020 at 7:12 am

    Hi Trevor

    Both are well made, use good parts, and are well insulated.

    performance-wise they are both middle of the road.

    layout wise the SS has that stupid foot dome, those things are a nightmare, you trip over them all the time and they crowd the footwell all for a couple of piss ant little 1.5″ low flow jets that aren’t gonna do anything for tough old feet anyway.

    also check out the Clarity Balance 8, same build quality, insulation, and parts but nice open layout…

    Empress Hot Tubs & Swim Spas
    I know Jacqueline well and we work closely together, she has helped out a lot of people for me.
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    admin May 24, 2020 at 7:06 am

    Go see these guys

    Premium Wholesale Home & Leisure
    Status: HTU ALL STAR
    http://www.premiumwholesale.ca
    (519) 895-0606

    These guys are a big operation with a good service and backup support staff. Carrying Master, Twilight, H2X and MP legends. I know these guys personally and they do a great job. cryan005@sympatico.ca
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    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:25 pm

    There are several good brands around you including Coast, Artesian, and two wholesalers for Master and PDC 🙂 Bonanza…

    honestly buy my private buyers service, I will save you around 2-3x my fee and help you with whatever brand you decide to buy.

    If not go see one of these guys

    Above & Beyond Pools & Spas
    Coast and Service
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    Purewater Total Home Leisure
    Status Unverified: We don’t know anything about the dealer but the Artesian line s on our good guy list

    Sells Artesian
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  359. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:18 pm

    yep its a known issue on a small batch. ill email you

  360. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:17 pm

    Hey Guillaume 🙂

    C’est un endroit en désordre pour acheter un bain à remous 🙂

    The 7.25 at 11k is a much better performance spa with a much better shell and better parts.

    11k is a stupid price it should be $13k…

    The dealer there pretends he can sell you a master but he cant…

    He will try and turn you onto a cheaper brand on some stupid story 🙂 he will try and buy it from a real dealer and sell it to you..lol

    don’t buy quiet flow or master pur or any upgraded chemical reduction systems from any of these asshats… just buy this shit…

  361. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:12 pm

    Add to that list the http://www.getawayhottubs.com from Master…

    They are all good spas go for price

  362. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:11 pm

    hey Keith

    I’ve not had good results with Dynasty and I’ve never had a brand with so many people complaining of them… The Coast spa from Vancouver Canada is the only one fo that group I would look at.

  363. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:09 pm

    If I don’t save you at least my fee Ill refund it.

  364. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:07 pm

    solid, hand-rolled self-supporting shells, good high r-value insulation, glued and clamped plumbing and top-end parts… its one of my top brands.

  365. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:06 pm

    I’m not up on their pricing but in general, it is a middle-end build quality with an ABS plastic shell and although they use OEM parts they are not using the really good stuff.

    check out PDC spas at Patio Splash Hot Tubs & Spas Fort Collins

    also, check out masters spa and getaway ho ttubs here:

    Aqua Spas
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  366. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:03 pm

    Hi Madan.

    Yes, I can for sure give you all of that and save you money on the buy.

    The reason I’m so late in answering this request is that I’m swamped with private buyers and I need to respond to them days before I can do the paid responses then I finally get a chance to just help and answer these ones 🙁

  367. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:01 pm

    Hi Joe

    Yeah, it’s a common story they are a crap tub full of cheap proprietary parts 🙁

    The PDC is a good tub and the master is as well, the only advantage with both companies of going to their higher lines is the massage [performance, they are all well built, the masters insulation systems will save you forty or fifty dollars a year.

  368. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 6:56 pm

    Man I can’t help you there.

    there are no good brands and no independent service guys so going out of the market unless you can do you own repairs is risky 🙁

    I would say the Bullfrog at Great escapes is the best option the others are crappy middle of the road spas full fo proprietary parts, slick marketing and mid-grade build practices.

  369. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 6:53 pm

    yeah get Spa marvel buy it here:

    ill email you a cheat sheet 🙂

  370. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 6:52 pm

    South seas are middle fo the pack, the elite and island are their high end lines

  371. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 6:50 pm

    You can’t shut them off entirely if the system needs heat or is in a filtration mode.

    Download SpaStar and run the troubleshooting app.

  372. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 6:49 pm

    Hey Greg

    I sent an email with my phone number Mon, May 18, 7:51 PM (5 days ago)

    check your spam filter

  373. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 6:46 pm

    Hey Tom.

    They are comparable for build quality but not performance… the grand cayman has very little neck and shoulder jets, just 4 of the low flow 1.5″ jest whereas the TS has 4 of the 3.5″ high flow jets… way better neck and shoulder seat. also, a lot more of the high flow therapy massage jets in general whereas the Artesian has mostly cheap low flow 1.5″ jets.

  374. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 6:43 pm

    Im not sure man, you can call the retailer and ask them to measure the seat height, both are well-made tub in a very similar class for performance.

  375. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 6:43 pm

    Hey Cecile

    Sorry for the long response time 🙁

    It was a Canadian owned company, it went bust a few years back and then was started again by mostly the same proprietors… It seemed like a warranty dodge to most people. It was then acquired by an equity investment company that typically buys hot tub manufacturers on the edge with a good story and spends loads of money not fixing the product but fine-tuning the marketing and branding 🙂 Its not great… typical middle-end shell with cradle supporting, good parts list for the most parts and inexpensive low R-value insulation system…

  376. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 6:38 pm

    Hi Susan

    Temperlock is not my top insulation system buts it’s the best of the nonfull foam systems I have ever seen, they take great care to seal and maximize what R-value they have.

    All of the science says that the area you live in (Godrich?) has an approximate annual heating degree day of around 8000 if we take their R-value as being around R-8 and a full foam being around R-20 and the coast per kWh in your area as being $10.4c/kWh and on say a 20′ swim spa you would be upgrading around 300sq feet of insulated area you would use around $140 more a year in electricity

  377. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 3:29 pm

    Hi Kevin

    Man I’m swamped, I’m like 67 requests for help behind 🙁

    I love salespeople… The tactic is called creating urgency, there is no expo pricing, there are no deals from manufacturers, $6400 on what is basically a well made well insulated single pump entry-level spa is not any great deal it’s regular retail pricing.

    The Catalina is nowhere near as well built as the south seas.

  378. Reply
    admin May 22, 2020 at 9:12 am

    No idea send me the link to the site

  379. Reply
    admin May 22, 2020 at 8:14 am

    Hi Leslie

    for sure while most of my private buyer’s deals go through in a few days I have some that go on for months. the deal is simp[le we work until we find you a deal 🙂

    I always save at least the free for you and usually a lot more…

    One of the reasons I’m 5 days back ion these responses is I have around 5000 people a year pay for priority response and buyers service on those we have to have daily response times.

  380. Reply
    admin May 22, 2020 at 8:13 am

    Hi Claire

    neither of those brands are really well made solid spas, they are targeted more tot he price point market, its the same quality you get from Home Depot or Costco at the same price point.

    There are no real good brands there but there are loads of service companies around you so stick with a good brand with good parts and you will be fine.

    call these guys

    South East Spas
    Have met these people several times and they are good solid reliable people,
    Steve’s email is sharp@southeast.com
    Steve is more involved in the retail stores.
    Owners Philip Giles and Larry Giles ( they focus more on the shows on the rd.)
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    +1 239-202-0225

  381. Reply
    admin May 22, 2020 at 8:10 am

    there are a few PDC dealers near you

    The Spa & Pool Place
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    http://www.spaandpoolplace.com
    +1 717-464-1877

    also, I know a guy who sells wholesale for master in that region hit Ben up

    ben@eastcoastspas.com

  382. Reply
    admin May 22, 2020 at 8:07 am

    The price is low on the Catalina stuff, there are some issues with the brand but I wouldn’t put it in the nightmare class. it’s like most of the stuff out there and price-wise we can get quite a few swimmers in this class for similar money.

    If we want to go to higher build quality and better parts and insulation we should look at Tidalfit, H2X, PDC, Coast.

    Honestly, dude if yer buying a swimmer hire me under the private buyer’s program… last week I bought around 15 tubs and swimmers for people and saved them an average of a grand and the service is only $250, I always save you at least my fee no matter what brand you decide on.

  383. Reply
    admin May 21, 2020 at 6:40 pm

    I supported the brand based on their claims, then requested access to the factory to verify and got stalled again and again… then I got a new one and here is the review…

    whats the arctic pac on the south seas… I haven’t had time to look at it?

  384. Reply
    admin May 21, 2020 at 6:35 pm

    yep especially right now with COVID pricing.

  385. Reply
    admin May 21, 2020 at 6:34 pm

    It is if your goal is really high-end therapy massage and you are going to use it 3x a week for mobility issues.

  386. Reply
    admin May 21, 2020 at 4:12 pm

    those are all solid spas for sure

  387. Reply
    admin May 21, 2020 at 4:12 pm

    paver properly laid are fine

    price is good

  388. Reply
    admin May 21, 2020 at 4:11 pm

    Hi Johnathan

    I don’t hold much stock in reviews site.

    Forbes says as much as 80% of all reviews are fake. On yelp, if you pay you to get great reviews if you don’t you don’t. this guy has been around 30+ years I’ve never had any bad feedback from anyone I’ve sent there.

    refurbished is not a bad option, the running cost won’t be that much difference the reality is a new one will be closer to $30/month and the return closer to $40

    pricing is decent for sure on all those, the apex at $9300 is high you can get into twilight for not much more and it would kick their ass

  389. Reply
    admin May 21, 2020 at 1:56 pm

    Hi Regina

    From a build quality standpoint I don’t think there are any big differences.

    From a massage performance aspect the Artesians are mid-upper end. Look at the jets… the cost of the jet package on any hot tub and the massage performance is down to how many of the high flow therapy massage jets. For a rough Calculation consider a small 1/.5″ jets which are a low volume of water under high pressure as worth $10, the 3.5″ mid-flow jets are worth $35 and are getting into a therapy massage jet, they move a lot more water and while the feel is softer it moves the whole muscle mass and gives better long term tension reduction. then goto a 5″ Hi-flow jet is pushing $50 and give a better massage.

    Like most tubs, the Arytesians are nothing over the top for massage most of the jets are small with only a few of the large massage jets, similarly, the neck and shoulder area are all low flow jets 🙁

    I like the brand from a build standpoint but if a customer is looking for really good therapy massage there are better choices.

    The twilights rank as my top tub for massage the jet package is crazy and they have four of the 3.5″ high flow therapy jets in the neck-shoulder area.

  390. Reply
    admin May 21, 2020 at 11:31 am

    Hi Leslie

    He makes a better margin on the Calspa or has it in stock but having been to both these factories there is no way the Cal is in the same league The Artesian is a far better-built product.

    Space blanket tech is mylar which was basically banned as a primary insulator in the home building industry and any other regulated industry.. its cheap and low R-value… Cal offer a full foam upgrade for $500 which is standard in the Artesian and a much higher R-value system.

    Ozone and Ion reduce the chlorine or bromine levels but don’t waste your money on it, just buy a good additive like Spa Marvel or A good mineral system its cheaper, lower chemical, and reduces the chlorine or bromine level far below what you will get with those add one…

    The warranty is not indicative of the quality of the product it’s just built into the price, on almost any hot tub you can buy an extra year for around $200

    It’s always a good idea to put down a patio stone base under any tub… ABS bottom pans are not a good substitute for a properly prepared ground support.

    I don’t know the dealer and a lot fo this information they are giving you is questionable.

  391. Reply
    admin May 21, 2020 at 11:12 am

    Call what trolling?

    We refer around 6000 customers a year in the US too good dealers of all the brands we recommend.

    a lot of dealers get their business reviewed by us and get our all-star rating we then actively push customers their way, there is no fee for either the registering, evaluation, or the referrals…

  392. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 1:36 pm

    unknown… right now the markets on fire it’s definitely a seller’s market but it’s hard to call if this will cool down or if it’s just a fundamental shift in where leisure dollars are going to go as people focus more on their environmental comforts to keep them sane…

  393. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 1:34 pm

    Yeah its a solid price and a good swimmer, the dealer there is a great guy, he’s been selling spas in the area for decades and knows his shit.

  394. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 1:32 pm

    any ion system (silver, zinc, copper) is decent for contact kill as water passes through the filter, but if you want low chemical easy to use get Spa Marvel

  395. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 1:28 pm

    Hi Brandon

    I toured the factory a year ago January and it was a mixed bag.

    the claims about the shell are mostly marketing, it’s a regular cradle supported shell with the cheesy thin strips of metal in them that off little if any effective support 🙂

    the rest was a confusing mixture of a million skews and variations.. some had great parts, some had second rate parts, some came with full-foam some you had to order…

    As a result, as you might suspect there were some QC issues… its a small operation that used to be a dominant player, IMHO if they got someone in the leader’s seat and revamped the lines, streamlined the production and simplified the skews they could be a contender again, one day… but for now it just seemed like a hot mess… The owner Casey drove up in his gently though so that was a highlight 🙂

  396. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 10:24 am

    Beachcomber by a long long shot… here is evolution

  397. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 10:22 am

    yeah, it’s a good spa.

    Also, check out the Artesians at Creative Hot Tub Designs.

    And the guy in Sac has service guy there as well check out Hot Tub & Spa Emporium Sacramento

  398. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 10:22 am

    yeah, it’s a good spa.

    Also, check out the Artesians at Creative Hot Tub Designs.

    And the guy in Sac has service guy there as well check out Hot Tub & Spa Emporium sacremento

  399. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 10:20 am

    Hmm, that’s a new one 🙂

    not sure but any of those scenarios would sound reasonable

  400. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 10:16 am

    It’s a Chinese made mass merchant spa, it’s on par with most spas in this class, but It’s not to the build standard of the top brands by any stretch of the imagination.

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=18-VoBNlgbMchh9lNuGI3a_f3PwfmRECE

  401. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 10:15 am

    For the current market its a solid price especially with the removal of the leaky beachcomber.

  402. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 10:14 am

    for sure you have 2 good brands

    Family Leisure Birmingham sells Artesian –

    I also have a trusted dealer that sells master, both my top 2 brands.

    Allstar Pool & Spa
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  403. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 8:17 am

    Hey check your spam I sent an email Thu, May 14, 8:20 PM (6 days ago)

    double-checked the email address as well… ill resend

  404. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 8:14 am

    shit sorry man, I’m swamped,

  405. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 8:14 am

    Yep Conformed its a strong 🙁 guy like this keep trying to doge their reputation by creating lots of confusing brands…

    Man, I don’t have any good recommendations there 🙁

  406. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 8:10 am

    Wow high prices for sure, but we are seeing some retailers gouging taking advantage of the COVID rush in the hot tub market 🙁 Bad…

    Shit just bought http://www.truetub.com 🙂

    get my private buyers service, I will save you a ton…

  407. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 8:05 am

    Its made in China to a fairly low standard as are all mass merchant hot tubs…

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=18-VoBNlgbMchh9lNuGI3a_f3PwfmRECE

  408. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 8:03 am

    No

    ozone does very little on a hot tub they are cheap systems.

    I’m also not a fan of circ pumps

  409. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 7:27 am

    I don’t know the brand at all… could just be a rebrand, do you know if they actually manufacture them or just private label?

    The location for the main plant is the Trevi distribution so I think it’s just a private label for Trevi.

    try these guys

    PDC – Spaulding Pool & Spa
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    admin May 20, 2020 at 7:22 am

    Hi Stefan

    I’m swamped 🙂 I’m running 5 days behind on help.

    No idea of dealers there 🙁

    the pump size is one consideration but for good massage look at the large hi-flow therapy massage jets, the bigger the jet the better the long term muscle relaxation, little jets feel like they do a lot but they don’t move enough water…

  411. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 7:19 am

    Hi, Jill Catalina is middle of the road, the shell and insulation are not up to the standard of the Artesian. Warranty is not indicative of the quality

  412. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 7:17 am

    First, don’t use the well water 🙂 get a truckload and use spa marvel it will keep you to the lowest chemical levels and keep your water good for up to a year

  413. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 7:16 am

    Hi Peter

    I am supported by most of the brands I like, But I was liking them and then approached them about supporting so yes but I don’t take money from anyone I don’t already like and I won’t support a brand just for money, The reason I like my top 5 is they all do it the same way… I’m consistent in supporting good brands and in my little retail market I actually have 2 competitors who sell brands I support… kind of sucks sometimes but consistency is key.

    I dont know any sparks or deck or ground guys there sorry 🙁

  414. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 7:12 am

    there are 2 good choices

    the Coast spas at Pool & Spa Guys, Farmingdale look at the north winds line

    The master dealer again in Farmingdale, look at getaway and Clarity lines

    Suntek Pools & Spas
    Status: HTU ALL_STAR
    Brands: Master
    sales@suntekonline.com
    Met with these folks and had a good couple days together, they have a good operation and a good brand.
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  415. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 7:10 am

    Best bet locally are these guys

    Swimming Pool Supply Co
    bill@spspools-spas.com
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  416. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 7:09 am

    No idea, I would think something metal is in the system and rusting… take the lines off the pumps and heaters and flush water through to see if anything comes out.

  417. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 7:08 am

    Hi sorry for the delay in responding, this site is swamped!

    Both great tubs, the insulation on the master is a little better and I love the open layout of the clarity line, water environments are about space and it has loads of space.

    Neither is a bad buy for sure.

  418. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 6:37 am

    download Spastar and run the diagnostic

  419. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 6:34 am

    Hi Jon

    its mass merchant quality with cradle supported shell and basic build quality and the heat flow manifolds are the dumbest things in the world… Hot Tubs use immersion heaters with nearly 100% efficiency this dumb ass idea takes electrical energy transfers it to mechanical energy, transfers that to hydro force transfers that to mechanical energy again making friction is absurd… only a marketing genius ignoring all the laws of thermodynamics could spin that as good tech 🙂 in all energy exchanges, you loose energy” This is also commonly referred to as entropy these guys are full of shit, always makes me nervous when I see this crap.

  420. Reply
    admin May 19, 2020 at 3:07 pm

    I wouldn’t have the Bullfrog on my final list the others are better build quality ion the shell and better parts.

    The coast element B is a solid price any luck with the other 2 yet?

  421. Reply
    admin May 19, 2020 at 1:30 pm

    Both tubs have the same main therapy seat I like the open spaces in the twilight but both great tubs

    The prices are good especially for right now!

  422. Reply
    admin May 18, 2020 at 8:06 pm

    Hi Dereck

    sorry man, I’m buried and hasn’t set this up yet 🙁

    hit one of the local brands I sent you.

  423. Reply
    admin May 18, 2020 at 12:31 pm

    made by artesian. solid reliable manufacturer

  424. Reply
    admin May 18, 2020 at 12:31 pm

    Love the layout big open footwell nice mix of jets and good build quality

  425. Reply
    admin May 17, 2020 at 12:21 pm

    whats yer zip code?

  426. Reply
    admin May 17, 2020 at 11:05 am

    I’m not a fan at all, it is built to a mid-end standard. the shell is cradle supported, the do not clamp the plumbing lines and the insulation is low R-value inexpensive radiant with was it of blue max type batten… it should be inexpensive. Performance-wise it should be middle to upper its god a good mix of jetting but only low flow 1.5″ neck and shoulder jets.

    There are loads of service guys around you frankly that market has hardly any retailers left because its too expensive to run a storefront there and that makes the tub prices crazy high, a lot of peeps buy from out of the market and that’s why there are so many independent service guys round…

    the only local brands I would consider would be Coast and Artesian here:

    Artesian, Coast Whiteswan Pools & Spas
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  427. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 4:00 pm

    yes they are well built shell I toured the factory in Jan last year

  428. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 3:59 pm

    its a goofy unknown likely Chinese or private brand.

    send me yer zip ill find more

  429. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 3:58 pm

    Damn I miss Germany.

    it’s much like Canada we say what we do and do what we say 🙂

    Also, miss the cold Kolsch on the river at the blues cafe in Cologne 🙁

    Damn yer asking questions that are more about what you want than what’s good, I’m not goods with human just good with machine 🙂

    Ask yer wife or get in the damn thing and see how it fits you 🙂

  430. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 3:53 pm

    for sure. Ill email you

  431. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 3:52 pm

    Hey Scott

    Good to semy first return customer 🙂

    glad to hear my help helped.

    send me yer zip for the new home ill see what i can find

  432. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 1:06 pm
  433. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 12:59 pm

    yeah, its a great price…

  434. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 12:59 pm

    Costco tubs are as bad as they get.. Here is one of their popular models.

  435. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 12:57 pm

    I shot a video about this tub… all the Costco stubs are crap except the Beachcomber

  436. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 12:56 pm

    S0 tall peeps love the contoured seating but big people don’t 🙂 you want open barrier-free seating. besides yer floating… it’s not about seating really 🙂

  437. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 12:54 pm

    Round spas are bad designs the footwell is way too small to be usable 🙁 Its why no one makes them anymore, square lets you push the four corner seats way back and open up space and the footprints similar because your house and garden stuff is all square or rectangular to the real usable space it takes up is close tot he same.

  438. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 11:05 am

    Hey Vinnie

    the D1 of 10 years ago is not the D1 of today 🙂 they got bought out from the brink of insolvency by an equity investment firm now its full of proprietary parts. I would look elsewhere, the best thing I can say about the brand now is that the marketing is awesome 🙂

  439. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 11:03 am

    Definitely the Artesian for sure, no comparison.

  440. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 11:02 am

    Hi Greg they are both the same size pumps they both use 11 amp motors which is about the max you can use on a plug in system

  441. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 10:57 am

    I totally think yer right dude, Dynasty is private branding all kinds of stuff I’ve seen 4 iterations lately all to dissociate themselves with the name lol

    check out this guy. he deals nationwide.

    The Hot Tub Superstore
    ross@thehottubsuperstore.co.uk
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  442. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 10:56 am

    Hey Kim, he carries master as well which is my top brand overall.

  443. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 10:55 am

    The Nordic is the better of the two

  444. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 10:55 am

    see other post

  445. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 10:54 am

    Hi Andy

    It has good parts, the shell is a cradle supported system as well, I really look for a hand-rolled self-supporting shell, you could up the insulation system.

    That model is a basic 2 pump system that you should be able to buy retail with this build quality for $7k easy the home depot Toronto at 7k is the similar build quality and better jetting with a stereo, i would expect if it was really factory direct it would be 6k max

  446. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 10:49 am

    done

  447. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 9:31 am

    Hi Mike

    Arctic spas have always had a decent performance and jetting package my problem with the spa has always been that the jets and most of the parts are Chinese and the electronic heating and control system is a proprietary part, there are no clamps on the plumbing and almost no insulation… It’s an inexpensive spa to build a very expensive brand because of the tons they spend on marketing and branding and just not a high-end quality product.

    A perfect example is this SDS seat… they claim its super high flow jets and pumps but the jets are not the big high flow jets they are low flow high-pressure jets! they are just big to make you think they are… the cheap little low flow jets always “feel” like they do a lot they flow about half the water they the big 5″ high flow low-pressure jets, and there is no neck and shoulder jetting to speak of.

    The Feel Versus The Result:

    How a spa feels when you are in it is not relevant to how good the massage value is!
    The little bullet jets which are inexpensive and put out a low volume of water under high pressure “feel” like they are doing a lot because they really assault the dermal layer where all our nerve endings are. Because of this the perception is they are giving a good massage but the reality is they are not putting out enough water to penetrate into the muscle tissue, it’s an illusion… although you feel during the massage that you are really getting good deep muscle massage it does little to actually loosen up the muscles and you don’t really notice much long-term relief in terms of muscle stiffness and mobility.
    Conversely, I have had a number of customers who have moved from a low or mid-end massage spa into a real hi-end therapy spa using a huge amount of the Hi-flow low-pressure massage jets and their initial reaction is that the jets don’t “Hit ” as hard and they don’t feel like they are getting much massage benefit. But with regular use, they feel much better with increased mobility and less muscle tension.
    The reason is this; The Big Hi-Flow jets flow a massive amount of water but at a lower pressure so it moves the whole muscle instead of just affecting the dermal layer. The result is while they do not feel like they are doing as much work they are actually doing much more for the deep muscle. Regular use of a good therapy spa will make a massive long-term difference to how you feel, your mobility levels and your muscle tension.

  448. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 9:18 am

    The artesian over the bullfrog for sure, it has a much better shell and a better heating and control system.

  449. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 8:41 am

    for sure hit me up if you need help… also try aquafitness mineral salts it is super good for, they use it in hospitals to treat eczema on newborn babies ask yer doc first!!!

  450. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 8:33 am

    Hey Frank, thanks for the support!

    It’s a dangerous price for sure! a lot of junk at that price point.

    Look at Nordic spas at Aurora Pools & Spas, Also the Hot springs hot spot is not bad 1512 Colesbury Cir, Lexington, KY 40511 http://www.aurorapoolsandspas.com +1 859-299-2932

  451. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 8:11 am

    Hey Kevin

    Service on any brand is hit and miss 🙂

    First I know these guys they are good.

    Second, forget it… most of what you need from a local dealer is timely information…

    Download this app called SpaStar I put all the timely information in it 🙂

  452. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 8:08 am

    download and run the SpasStar app and hit troubleshooting

  453. Reply
    admin May 14, 2020 at 8:18 pm

    pricing right now is random… the industry is up 300% across the board.

  454. Reply
    admin May 14, 2020 at 5:09 pm

    Hi Michelle

    Yeah, I am concerned with the quality control as well, they told me a lot of things they were doing that turned out to not be true then when I pushed to get access to the factory for proof they blocked access… Dodgy as hell who would block access to the one guy that can sell you more hot tubs than anyone else if you have nothing to hide? something sketchy going on and that vector which is supposed to be a high-end tub was a piece of junk 🙁

    There are two good brands near you the Artesian spas Tidal fit swim spas sold at Spa World and the H2X swim spas sold by Phoenix hot tubs and swim spas

    Phoenix Hot Tubs and Swim Spas
    Status: HTU Approved!

    These guys have my 5 start recommendation, I just spent 4 days with these the boys from Phoenix and they are doing all the right things.
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    admin May 13, 2020 at 2:09 pm

    From a build quality standpoint, the Artesian and Master Have hand-rolled fiberglass self-supporting shells, the BF and HS have thinner shells supported with pedestals on the bullfrog and high-density resin foam on the HS.

    From a parts standpoint again the Artesian and Master has the top OEM parts the BF has a gecko control and heating system which is def a step-down and the HS has a crappy proprietary parts list I would not touch with a ten-foot pole.

    From A performance standpoint The LSX then Pelican then Prism, the big difference being the LSX has four fo the 3.5″ high flow jets for the neck and shoulder the others have little 1.5″ jets here which won’t do much for a big muscle mass like shoulders and neck.

    I’m sure no matter what one you go with we can get you at least our fee back and likely more, also gives you us as a backup if you ever need anything.

  456. Reply
    admin May 13, 2020 at 11:54 am

    Hey, Ken, I didn’t get anything from this name or email.

    the problem with the Hot springs wasn’t the filters it’s the cheap shitty little circulation pump 🙂 you need a high flow filtration system and it will be fine.

    I can definitely help you here you should get the private buyer’s service Ill save you more than the cost for sure in that market I have loads of great contacts there.

  457. Reply
    admin May 13, 2020 at 11:30 am

    I’ve not had great clarity or visibility from marquis and the one tub we got ahold of had some serious issues.

    On the other hand, I’ve inspected the master factory and they are doing all the right things and have solid quality control.

  458. Reply
    admin May 13, 2020 at 11:28 am

    Try these guys!

    Niagara Hot Tubs
    SpaStar, she will download app and will sign up

    Phone: 905-684-0770
    info@niagarahottubs.com
    http://www.niagarahottubs.com

    Debbie is the owner and her email is info@niagarahottubs.com
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  459. Reply
    admin May 13, 2020 at 11:26 am

    There is no information, we see this all the time, these goofy brands pop up and peeps claim all kinds of stuff but you know from the price that they can’t be the high end because you simply can not build a wood quality swimmer and retail it for that amount, especially a new small player… if the massive producers who are much more efficient can’t do it than why would anyone believe some pop-up can?

  460. Reply
    admin May 13, 2020 at 11:23 am

    Pas de problème, mon français craint donc je vais utiliser l’anglais 🙂

    Beachcomber is the only spa at any mass merchant that’s worth a damn and yep it’s good… And no don’t go to Hybrid… Hybrid is bad tech it’s not more efficient, its bullshit marketing crap called a unique selling feature 🙂

    It just proves what I always say… mass merchants are not a good deal on great spas they just sell cheap crappy hot tubs for mid prices 🙂 as soon as they get a good spa, like the Beachcomber, the price is higher than the retailers 🙂

    But $7 K for a small 20 jet one pump hot tub is a scam 🙂 you can buy tubs as good or better from many retailers for the same or less…

    what’s yer postcode Ill find some deals on good spas for you.

  461. Reply
    admin May 13, 2020 at 10:47 am

    Hionestly there is not another brand I would touch within 100 miles of you..

    try and find either master, Beachcomber, Coast, Artesian PDC, Nordic, Dremamker

  462. Reply
    admin May 13, 2020 at 10:46 am

    Yep especially right now dude… good tubs are like hen’s teeth and everyone wants one.

  463. Reply
    admin May 13, 2020 at 10:45 am

    stick with brands that use a full foam insulation system…

    this looks like a double post? if so see this

    https://hottubuniversity.com/buyers-assistance/#comment-13408

  464. Reply
    admin May 13, 2020 at 10:43 am

    You have like 20 service guys within 20 miles of you as long as you stick with brands using good readily available parts yer laughing.

    The piper glen is a good tub as well the neck and shoulder jetting is a bit of a let down it only has the little 1.5″ low flow jets and the TS has the four 3.5″ high flows for neck shoulder, they should be around the same price retail.

  465. Reply
    admin May 13, 2020 at 10:40 am

    see the other request

  466. Reply
    admin May 13, 2020 at 10:28 am

    You have three good brands all basically built the same with a lot fo the same parts

    Master spas available at Spa Tech info@spa-tech.ca 780.901.7872 – After Hours 780.700.6736 the Twilight is going to be the best performer fo all of them, its got the four high flow neck and shoulder jets and its main seat is insane for massage.

    Coast spas from Koko Beach http://www.kokobeachhottubs.ca next best for performance but the neck and shoulder jetting is a bit lame with only a couple fo the little 1.5″ jets.

    Beachcomber from Beachcomber Hot Tubs & Patio http://www.beachcomber.ab.ca Good build quality but lower-end performance, no real neck or shoulder jetting mostly small pumps and small low flow jets, also non-removable skirt which is nuts.. if they leak which they do from time to time its a nightmare… yer looking at a grand to have it removed and repaired and reinstalled 🙂 and that’s even if it’s under warranty because the removal and reinstall is not covered 🙂

  467. Reply
    admin May 13, 2020 at 10:22 am

    getaway hot tubs number one.

    then dream Maker

    then Nordic.

    Have met these people several times and they are good solid reliable people,
    Steve’s email is sharp@southeast.com

  468. Reply
    admin May 13, 2020 at 10:21 am

    Never heard of My Life, but it looks like either a rebrand of Dremamker or a knock off…

    Sundance was bought by an equity investment corporation that owns a bunch of the brands that were on the brink of profitability 🙂 Their Modus Operandi is to spend scads of money on marketing and branding to make these middle fo the road products appear to be really high end… the best thing about them is usually the marketing. The proprietary parts list alone is enough to make me run for the hills…

    here are two good local brands.

    PDC – Bert’s Pools, Scottdale, http://www.bertspools.com

    Coast Spas- Valley Pool & Spa – Washington http://www.valleypoolspa.com

    Artesian – Alpine Pools – Allison Park, http://www.alpinepools.com

  469. Reply
    admin May 13, 2020 at 10:08 am

    I’m on it!

  470. Reply
    admin May 13, 2020 at 10:07 am

    Happy hot tubbing!

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Also download this app It lets you Manage your hot tub chemistry without hassle, diagnose and fix water issues, troubleshoot any problems and even request service on your tub. Spa Star will do all that and more and best of all IT’S FREE!
    https://www.spa-star.net/

  471. Reply
    admin May 13, 2020 at 8:35 am

    Hi Paul

    Not much to pick from 🙁 of those the best would be the bullfrog, all the other ones are great marketing companies making the middle of the road hot tubs with awesome marketing, advertising, and branding. the worst is they all use goofy proprietary parts. Proprietary parts are a scam, basically, the business model is highly profitable for them. They get goofy parts made that only fit the products not to make better parts but to own you for life for crapy overpriced parts 🙂 its what wrecked our appliance market and took washers and dryers from lasting decades to lasting 5 years 🙁

    The Bullfrog again spends way too much on the branding and marketing and not enough on the tub, they use a cheaper ABS plastic shell that needs pedestal supporting to hold it together, I would always want to see a good hand-rolled fiberglass acrylic shell that is self-supporting… also I’m not a fan of the gecko control and heating system but at least it’s not proprietary…

    Honestly go to Denver, there are 4 solid brands available there and they all have service guys there, hell there are 5 independents service guys within 20 miles of you.

    Aqua spas have a few locations that carry Master spas and have been around for like 35 years.

    Aqua Spas
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    Splash Hot Tubs carries PDC spas 4275 City Centre Rd #300, Longmont, CO 80504

    Colorado Custom Spas carries Artesian spas 5270 Broadway, Denver, CO 80216

    Carefree Spas carries Coast Spas 8017 S Broadway, Littleton, CO 80122

    consider my private buyer’s service, ill save you more than the cost in this market for sure, I know all the players and can get you solid pricing.

  472. Reply
    admin May 12, 2020 at 7:31 pm

    Happy hot tubbing!

    hit me up if you need anything!

    Buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee on the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Also, download this app It lets you Manage your hot tub chemistry without hassle, diagnose and fix water issues, troubleshoot any problems and even request service on your tub. Spa Star will do all that and more and best of all IT’S FREE!
    https://www.spa-star.net/

  473. Reply
    admin May 12, 2020 at 7:30 pm

    Ok, so Sundance is a corporate mess with great branding wrapping up the middle of the road overpriced product with fancy marketing.

    Artesian is a super well-built spa…

  474. Reply
    admin May 12, 2020 at 7:27 pm

    it was bought out a few years ago, it was a decent brand but the shell had issues and they still use the same shell.

    Its not a nightmare brand, but isn’t the sweet spot either.

  475. Reply
    admin May 12, 2020 at 4:34 pm

    Yeah I saw them in Vegas this year there is a long history of mediocrity

  476. Reply
    admin May 11, 2020 at 8:25 pm

    ill sen you a number

  477. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 6:38 pm

    no worries the master guy in Kitchener has a guy there so its worth looking at for pricing anyway 🙂

    let me know if you need help!

  478. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 6:35 pm

    it’s crazy busy right now the industry, in general, is up about 300% so no one has any hot tubs left and everyone is scrambling to stay in the game, factories were closed for months and are just getting going again 4-6 weeks is the norm right no wand that is optimistic. but trust me it’s going to get worse I anticipate that By June first, you will be 12 weeks for anything except the crappy tubs that all apart 🙁

    Mostly middle fo the road stuff around you these guys should be able to help.

    Above & Beyond
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  479. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 10:10 am

    Hi Paul

    Im on the fence with Covana, years of failed products but they stand behind them and seem to have made some good changes for 2020 but up till now its been a shit show… Hard to say how it will shake out.

    AW is really not a great brand, low R-value insulation, no clamps on the plumbing and cradle supported shells make it a no go brand for me.

    Home Leisure
    Artesian Dreamaker
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    admin May 10, 2020 at 10:07 am

    The Viking stuff is ok-ish but the insulation is pretty low end. The soft tub I wouldn’t go to the parts are proprietary and cost a lot and there is not enough circulation so you have to go high chemical and there is no jetting or massage…

    checkout Getaway hot tubs, Nordic spas, Dreamaker

  481. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 10:05 am

    its a Dynasty brand they are using a lot of new names likely to distance themselves from the fallout of years selling crap under the Dynasty label, I would run like hell.

    Go see these guys 🙂 I know them so well it’s not even funny 🙂

    They are the biggest seller of hot tubs east of Quebec and have great service and they know their shit… for sure… cause it’s me 🙂

    I hardly get any customers in my local market its mostly US customers 🙂

    Hot Tub Universe
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    admin May 10, 2020 at 10:00 am

    Hey Alaa

    I am not a fan of jacuzzi at all, parts are a nightmare because they are proprietary and come from Mexico, I’ve heard of people waiting forever for parts. The truth is they are one of the best marketing companies in the game but its middle fo the road product both parts wise and performance-wise.

    try these guys

    Above & Beyond Pools & Spas
    Coast and Service
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    Purewater Total Home Leisure
    Status Unverified: We don’t know anything about the dealer but the Artesian line s on our good guy list

    Sells Artesian
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    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:54 am

    middle fo the road, I don’t like the gecko control and heating system, and it’s a low R-value insulation it’s that middle ground where most spas are.

    There is a new Barrie master dealer hit them up…

    Master Spas of Ontario (Barrie)
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  484. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:43 am

    They definitely had some QC issues but seem to have upped their game, the p[arts are good and overall they should be a reliable product.

  485. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:43 am

    Hey Greg

    Swim spas are just big tubs 🙂 the build parts and everything else is exactly the same the only other variable is swimming current.

    Both these guys build good swimmers for sure, The insulation is a boot better on the master but other than that they are very close.

    For me depth is key… the 60″ deep ones are so much more usable, I go depth over size any day.

    the massage seats int he swimmers are often low end, the master has the twilight seating in their higher-end swimmers with great neck and shoulder jets,

  486. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:39 am

    both good spas and built well here are the only differences…

    TS has more of the expensive high flow therapy jets and will blow the BC out fo the water especially the neck and shoulder jetting and the master jets.
    BC skirt is nonremovable which is dumb as shit… instead of quick pop of the side fix for leaks it has to be removed and fixed and reinstalled and you pay for the removal and reinstall even under warranty.

    Other than that they use the same build process mostly the same parts and the same insulation… also if you go BC dont go Hybrid, its dumb old tech… go leep

  487. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:36 am

    Hi Cynthia

    Artesian is good both build and performance on their upper ranges.
    Sima is not even a brand its a private label and not recommended.
    Hydropool is owned by a US equity investment corporation, great marketing but that’s the best thing about it.
    Beachcomber is a good well made spa with good parts, performance-wise it’s middle to low and the nonremovable skirt is a big risk… if you have a leak I’ve seen people pay a grand even under warranty because it has to be taken to a facility lifted up and fixed from the bottom then redelivered and the removal and redelivery is not covered… Brutal.
    Dynasty from my experience has been a nightmare for a lot of people.
    Evolution is total junk.

  488. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:32 am

    Catalina is pretty run of the mill and should come in mid-price point. The cradle supported shell is a concern, I really want a hand-rolled self-supporting shell, it’s a big difference on a critical part of your hot tub purchase

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T9DY6am_E0&w=560&h=315%5D

    I’m also not a fan of gecko control and heating systems, my experience with them has not been great, they make the pack very hard to service and I’ve found the reliability to be meh.

  489. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:31 am

    Hey Jason

    Nothing discounted about that price man, its about par for a single pump spa but the insulation is crap.

    Check out Clarity or Getaway from these guys.

    Premium Wholesale Home & Leisure
    Status: HTU ALL STAR
    http://www.premiumwholesale.ca
    (519) 895-0606

    These guys are a big operation with a good service and backup support staff. Carrying Master, Twilight, H2X and MP legends. I know these guys personally and they do a great job. cryan005@sympatico.ca
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  490. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:27 am

    You have Beachcomber, Coast, and Master… all well built

    The TS line from Master is the top for performance followed by the Coast, the Beachcombers are fairly middle of the road for jetting and massage and the skirts are non-removable which is a massive issue if you ever have a leak… …

  491. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:23 am

    You’re welcome 🙂

  492. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:22 am

    Its well built for sure and the main therapy seat has the best neck and shoulder jetting I’ve seen on any tub.

    No idea what you should pay man I don’t know where you are… I would guess somewhere around $12kusd

  493. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:21 am

    Hey dawn, I grew up In Grimsby 🙂

    Its middle of the road, cradle supported shell and low R-value insulation…

    look at the Clarity balance 9

    Niagara Hot Tubs
    SpaStar, she will download app and will sign up

    Phone: 905-684-0770
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    http://www.niagarahottubs.com

    Debbie is the owner and her email is info@niagarahottubs.com
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    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:19 am

    Hi Scott

    Was flying out last month then COVID… not sure when now…

    Cal is not in the same quality as Coast and master, I toured their factory last January… middle of the road and way too many skews and options no wonder there were so many tubs with issues on the test line…

    The traditional line is a little below the performance of the HL

  495. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:17 am

    On it!

  496. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:16 am

    sorry dude im on it now

  497. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:15 am

    Sheet! I can’t find anything around you… nearest good brand is KC

    Above & Beyond
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  498. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:14 am

    individual controls are not really a big deal i find…

  499. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:13 am

    locally you have artisan (Purewater Total Home Leisure) and coast (Above & Beyond Pools & Spas)but the master has a guy there for delivery and service…

    check these guys out.

    Premium Wholesale Home & Leisure
    Status: HTU ALL STAR
    http://www.premiumwholesale.ca
    (519) 895-0606

    These guys are a big operation with a good service and backup support staff. Carrying Master, Twilight, H2X and MP legends. I know these guys personally and they do a great job. cryan005@sympatico.ca
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    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:11 am

    Sorry dude, its 300% busier than it normally is I’m doing 15 hour days and falling behind 🙂

    I’ve suspended comments and am just focusing on paid responses until I can catch up

    I just emailed you I will get right on it,

  501. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:08 am

    Above & Beyond Pools & Spas
    Coast and Service
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    and

    Purewater Total Home Leisure
    Status Unverified: We don’t know anything about the dealer but the Artesian line s on our good guy list

    Sells Artesian
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    http://www.purewaterpool.com
    +1 613-726-0099
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    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:07 am

    both good tubs and reliable build quality for sure.

    the neck-shoulder jetting on the TS is better but neither are bad tubs.

  503. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:06 am

    add spoa marvel every 3 months and eco pure charge is 9 months i think

  504. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:06 am

    yep sent email 🙂

  505. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 9:05 am

    Aspen is not a brand I would consider, cradle supported shell, cheap low R-Value insulation, and some goofy no name heating and control system, I’m going to imagine it a lot cheaper??? 🙂

    I’m a hamilton area boy 🙂

    check these guys out:)

    Premium Wholesale Home & Leisure
    Status: HTU ALL STAR
    http://www.premiumwholesale.ca
    (519) 895-0606

    These guys are a big operation with a good service and backup support staff. Carrying Master, Twilight, H2X and MP legends. I know these guys personally and they do a great job. cryan005@sympatico.ca
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  506. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 8:55 am

    Hi Chantel.

    I have a guy I work with there and we can get you most of our recommended brands through him.

    Be well is typically low to mid-end gear.

    try Coast or Beachcomber for local options.

  507. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 8:53 am

    hey Tegan

    I agree with yer husband, pools are a joke in northern climates.. swimmers make a lot more sense.

    master is almost all OEM parts the only goofy thing is filters. but there filter prices are on par with most filters.

    Our private buyers service is worth you time its $250 and we will save you more than that and help get you a good product .

  508. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 8:50 am

    Hi

    the Master and the Coast are good the Arctic is full of Chinese made proprietary parts, low r-value insulation, and no clamps on the plumbing, the best thing about that tub is the branding and expensive marketing and advertising that make you think its a high-end tub.

    Yeah it’s not really an issue, we will just make sure the price is good and get you a few extras, we always save you our fee and its never about kicking the shit out an of a dealer it’s about letting them make a fair margin so they can take care of you and getting you a fair price…

  509. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 8:46 am

    I would expect a good tub with this jet package to come in around 9k new so 30% when you drive it off the lot and 10% a year so $4500 max if the cover is good $4k if not.

    Plus its a Sundance… mid-end with goofy hard to source proprietary parts… only buy it if you have a really solid Sundance dealer near you…

  510. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 8:43 am

    You may have breaker tripping issues and its not advisable, the 40 amp line is likely 8-3 cable which is not really heavy enough…

    forget reviews even Forbes says 70% or more are fake… its a pay to rank world 🙂 master has always been a big target because they do massive traveling sales and local dealers lose their shit when they come into the market and steal a hundred customers in a weekend 🙂

  511. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 8:40 am

    price is good esp in this market where it soo busy 🙂

    ozone is good tech but hot tub ozone systems do very little, just get Spa Marvel its easier, lower chem and reliable…

  512. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 8:38 am

    Hi Conrad, I would expect tub with that jetting package to be less, its mostly low flow small jets and only a few of the large therapy massage jets.

    Yer right with the swimmers but seriously what is the advantage of a local dealer? information… you need them to help you through water issues and troubleshooting, but with the SpaStar app it’s all on your phone including the ability to order parts and filters, etc right on the app… the only real thing you need local is service and frankly the independent service guys usually do an as good or better job than most retailers do… its all they do is fix spas.

    If yer buying the coast locally Im likely not much help but if you decide to buy out of the market then sign up for private buyers ill save you a ton and you will have me to fall back on for service if you have issues…

  513. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 8:33 am

    these guys do garden leisure they might be able to get the other artesian lines Billiot Pools & Spas LLC
    Status unverified:
    Garden leisure

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    If not these guys do the full artesian line

    Splash Pools and Spas
    Status Unverified:

    Sells Artesian Spas,

    Brian Houghes | Store Manager batonrouge@splashpoolsandspas.com
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  514. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 8:32 am

    Hey, its a price point mass merchant spa made entirely in China, the shell is thin and it’s supported by high-density foam which encases the plumbing and the shell, this makes it a nightmare to repair and find leaks if yer going to cover the plumbing in the foam you need to use a foam that hardens not a structural foam, there also isn’t much foam a couple of inches in most places and mylar… The parts are a mixed bag, good heating and control system but crappy old school click-in jets. It’s really shallow if yer over 5’7″ yer gonna have cold nipples 🙂

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=18-VoBNlgbMchh9lNuGI3a_f3PwfmRECE

  515. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 8:25 am

    Both good spas, the islands massage jetting is a bit better.

  516. Reply
    admin May 10, 2020 at 8:25 am

    Hey Jennifer

    I would try it outside then if you want more protection to add a pergola… it’s nice under the stars and yer up to yer neck in hot water… weather does not matter much unless its cold rain 🙂

    Both well-made spas, performance-wise the Coast has no real neck or shoulder jets, just two of the little 1.5″ low flow jets the TS has four fo the 3.5″ high flow therapy massage jets… its the best neck and shoulder seat in the industry.

  517. Reply
    admin May 8, 2020 at 2:33 pm

    Aspen is not a brand I would consider, cradle supported shell, cheap low R-Value insulation, and some goofy no name heating and control system, I’m going to imagine it a lot cheaper???

  518. Reply
    admin May 8, 2020 at 2:31 pm

    It all depends on how important the massage is to you, that’s the real difference between the two spas.

  519. Reply
    admin May 8, 2020 at 2:29 pm

    It is part of May Manufacturing, but Im not sure if the build is the same…

  520. Reply
    admin May 8, 2020 at 2:22 pm

    I don’t like salt. its a gimmick and 20-year-old tech… all it does is make chlorine.

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

  521. Reply
    admin May 8, 2020 at 2:17 pm

    Hey James, I emailed earlier! no idea how I missed you 🙁

    sorry, dude.

  522. Reply
    admin May 8, 2020 at 2:16 pm

    Honestly, there is nothing there on my good guy list.

    Take a trip to Austin there are two retailers said by side both with great lines.

    Austin Spas and Pools sell Artesian

    and These guys rock:

    Master-Paradise Spas & Outdoor Living
    Dave Mac and Jason Neslon
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  523. Reply
    admin May 8, 2020 at 1:58 pm

    hey Scott

    Microsilk is marquis spas, never heard of it on artesian and there is no science behind it… they would need an oxygen source for that its just air… does nothing…

    don’t know the dealer.

  524. Reply
    admin May 8, 2020 at 1:55 pm

    The cal spa becasue it has easier to source parts,

  525. Reply
    admin May 8, 2020 at 11:32 am

    yeah, the Artesian has a solid build and good quality control, I’ve had issues with marquis.

  526. Reply
    admin May 8, 2020 at 11:32 am

    Its a good swimmer for sure, build wise they are in my top end for sure.

    I would check out the Coast at Del Mar Pools and Spas In Danbury
    the PDC at Trading Post in Newtown
    and my buddy Ben at Factory Direct sales Cheshire
    ben@eastcoastspas.com

  527. Reply
    admin May 8, 2020 at 11:28 am

    yep… except alkalinity increaser is cheaper than baking soda for the most part… and I would add an enzyme, like spa marvel... it reduces the about of chlorine and stabilizes the ph.

  528. Reply
    admin May 8, 2020 at 11:26 am

    it’s going to be too expensive 🙁 and in my opinion overpriced, especially with an abs plastic pedestal supported shell, and gecko heating and control system,

    Offenbachers / Home Escapes in Herndon does Artesian, the garden line might be in the range.

    Also, check out PDC at Outdoor Living Wholesale in Sterling

    the other great option in that price is getaway hot tubs durable, and bang for the buck a great spa check them out here:

    Hot Tubs Inc
    Kevin Greenwood
    340-417-8728 kgreenwell@hottubsinc.com
    Master spa Micheal Phelps. Sam Greenwell daughter. I have spent me than a few days with Kevin the owner over the years and these guys run a great program and carry one of my favorite brands.
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    admin May 8, 2020 at 11:20 am

    hey John

    we can get you into that price I’m sure, My buyer’s service on swim spas always saves more than the fee.

    look at the Therapool line as well from http://www.h2x https://www.h2xswimspa.com/

  530. Reply
    admin May 7, 2020 at 6:00 pm

    I see variations of this spa everywhere, I think its a Chinese product that private labels everywhere to keep people off the track…

  531. Reply
    admin May 7, 2020 at 4:22 pm

    Both good choices, the ^& has more jets, a better shell and better insulation but both are good buys.

    It’s harder and harder to find tubs grab one fast

  532. Reply
    admin May 7, 2020 at 4:20 pm

    Three good local options.

    Roundbird Pools in West Berlin sell PDC
    Pools By Van Brill, in Richwood sell Nordic
    East Coast Spas in Horsham sell getaway hot tubs and clarity

    Email : ben@eastcoastspas.com

  533. Reply
    admin May 7, 2020 at 4:03 pm

    Hot Tub Tony’s in geneva does Coast its good.

    JTS Pools & Spas in Ottawa Does garden leisure which is a good entry-level spa but order the full foam.

    Backyard Living
    Status: HTU All-Star

    I have personally met these guys and spent a few days with them, they come highly recommended.
    Phone: 309-433-9047
    backyardliving2011@hotmail.com
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    admin May 7, 2020 at 3:54 pm

    Hey Ross!

    It sounds like he was having a bad day plus the industry exploded with COVID everyone is spending their vacation money on hot tubs! the industry is up[ around 300% and there will be massive waits for tubs very soon.

    Everyone is a bit frazzled right now and there are more buyers than tubs!

    Buy it, I’ve seen the contract its the regular shit. and you don’t really care if the sales guy is an asshat or just having a bad day master deals with west coast peeps direct from the factory and if you download the SpaStar app its all you need anyway 🙂

  535. Reply
    admin May 7, 2020 at 3:46 pm

    Hey Ashley.

    try Nordic, getaway hot tubs, Master, Artesian PDC they are all near you.

    honestly, you should do my private buyers service, I just did 4 in that area this week and I have a lot of good connections. I can get you good pricing and make sure its the right mix. I always save you more than the cost or i refund it.

  536. Reply
    admin May 7, 2020 at 3:43 pm

    never heard of it… Its likely a private label but I have zero idea sorry 🙁

  537. Reply
    admin May 7, 2020 at 3:41 pm

    Hi Rick

    The cal is a better spa but neither are great.

    here are some local good brands

    Minnesota hot tubs sell nordic.
    Artesian – Family Leisure Minneapolis
    Master – Master Pool & Spa
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    +1 952-253-0665
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    admin May 7, 2020 at 3:36 pm

    Man, I just can not find a brand near you I would recommend.

    I did speak to Alvins and they deliver and service spas so we could look at a wholesaler for you…

    You a good candidate for my private buyer’s service I can only run around 10 of them at a time, but I should be wrapping up two or three this week which will open a slot.

  539. Reply
    admin May 7, 2020 at 3:17 pm

    Seaway does beachcomber, other than the nonremovable skirt idiocy which may cost you a pile down the road if you ever have a leak it better than most.

    go see my buddy griffin he has a new shop just opened (3rd location) in Barrie.

    Master Spas of Ontario (Barrie)
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  540. Reply
    admin May 7, 2020 at 3:13 pm

    Hi Chris

    Its like 80% of the stuff out here, mid-price mid-quality

  541. Reply
    admin May 7, 2020 at 8:13 am

    Hi Sai!

    Watford! I spent a decade in the UK and was in Watford a lot as we had a couple of dealers there 🙂 I miss the UK sometimes especially a good curry at the local 🙁

    I have a good contact in the UK hit him up he can help you for sure.

    The biggest thing here is you need reliable… Something with a super good shell and make sure you stay with easy to source OEM parts when yer stuck inside like this it is critical you get the right spa because there are no easy fixes if it all goes wrong.

    They are far away but they carry the H2X line which is one of the best-built swimmers out there, all the local London stuff is middle of the road, they also have a good service guy called Hot Tub Response Uxbridge.

    ross@thehottubsuperstore.co.uk

  542. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 8:46 pm

    let me know how it goes

  543. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 8:44 pm

    Wow big spread…

    Both are well built but if I was gonna spend that cash it would be a MP LSX 850 or TS 8.25

  544. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 8:39 pm

    Sit yes husband on a cutting board on the couch.

    Relax into the couch don’t sit up straight.

    Measure from the board to the top of his shoulders

    Send me thatx

  545. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 8:36 pm

    Twilight 7.25.

    But my wants are massage.. the foot jets are in are at great position for back of knees, calves, feet, and you can sit in the footwear and do yer lower back and the neck shoulder jets on the TS kick as

    Being? Any of the Master LSX or the Aryesiam elites…

    Honestly though if cash is not an option my swimmer… a 19 foot dual zone we swim in that fucker every week (or float around and drink wine and beer ) best thing I have ever owned and I’ve had one for a decade and access to one for 25 years…

  546. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 6:29 pm

    110v spas work but in the cold times, you only have 10 minutes until they cool down because there is not enough power to keep up with the heat loss…

    Syracuse Pool and Patio, Cicero sells Coast spas

    The other 10 dealers carry either overpriced crap or just regular priced crap.

    A little further afield you have PDC it’s a solid tub they are sold at CNY hot tubs in Lansing.

    also hit my buddy Gregg at Concord Pools & Spas in Saratoga Springs, NY 12866
    concordpools.com
    +1 518-587-4949

    I think they have delivery and service there.

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Also download this app It lets you Manage your hot tub chemistry without hassle, diagnose and fix water issues, troubleshoot any problems and even request service on your tub. Spa Star will do all that and more and best of all IT’S FREE!
    https://www.spa-star.net/

  547. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 6:24 pm

    just emailed you man hit me up!

  548. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 6:23 pm

    Hey Mark

    thanks for the support!

    Salt systems work well on pools but to be clear they are chlorine systems. They take sodium chloride and run it through what is basically an electrolysis process and make… Chlorine… On pools, they are reliable and stable. on hot tubs they suck. the main reason is that the best level they can get you to is around 2ppm of chlorine primarily because in a hot tub we are dealing with really high concentrations of inorganic material (soap, oils, etc) in a pool these are minor effectors in a hot tub they are huge… chlorine sucks at handling inorganics so you need heavy levels in a hot tub. The truth is its old tech… there are super good enzyme systems, and lots of crappy ones, that are really good at handling inorganics leaving the organics for the chlorine which is super good at dealing with organics… We have customers running 0.5ppm of chlorine with these systems and having stable reliable water for a year…

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    As for brands you want 4 things… it used to be 5 things but with the SpaStar app al ton of the things you need a dealer for are taken care of… download it…

    1. A solid shell hand-rolled self-supporting with a vinyl ester resin core… damn things will last forever!
    2. Good reliable OEM parts! stay away from the ass hats using goofy parts that just fit their spas!
    3. Glued and clamped plumbing4
    4. Good High R-Value Insulation

    hit these guys up they are solid and have been reliable for me.

    Suntek Pools & Spas
    Status: HTU ALL_STAR
    Brands: Master
    sales@suntekonline.com
    Met with these folks and had a good couple days together, they have a good operation and a good brand.
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    admin May 6, 2020 at 4:30 pm

    Build quality its a solid tub for sure, performance-wise the massage jetting is fairly low end and the propulsion is run of the mill..

    what is your zip code?

  550. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 4:29 pm

    i can help you there for sure and I will for sure save you more than the fee.

  551. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 4:28 pm

    Hey Tony

    We recommend every 9-12 months but Iknow of customers who go longer.

    rule of thumb is when you can’t keep the water stable its time to change.

  552. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 4:27 pm

    Sorry!

    yeah $9k is the right number for sure.

  553. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 4:26 pm

    Hey jon

    The shell and the jetting is a little high end on the Clarity.

    both are durable and well made the getaway shell is nonslip and less expensive to build but its solid a lot fo it comes down to the look and that s personal but they are both good spas.

  554. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 4:24 pm

    Hey jeff.

    first off the old pitch about full foam tubs being hard to work on is propagated by the ass hats not spending the money on the insulation and trying to justify it with totally misleading outdated information.

    The old high density closed cell poly-based foams were a nightmare back in the day for a full foamed tub because the shit turned into a rock and it was brutal to find or fix leaks, only a handful of companies do this and it’s usually to prop up a cheap shell.

    The new foams are expensive but never harden, they are the best of both worlds, high R-value and easy access to find and fix leaks.

    I don’t like the Arctic Spa, they are a great marketing branding company but the parts are Chinese proprietary parts you want a part list that is open-sourced… they don’t clamp the plumbing and they don’t insulate it worth a damn… in my opinion its a mid to low end tub wrapped up in a high end marketing and branding campaign.

    So the Coast for sure by a mile.

    also, check out the \the master

    Empress Hot Tubs & Swim Spas
    I know Jacqueline well and we work closely together, she has helped out a lot of people for me.
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    admin May 6, 2020 at 4:14 pm

    Hi Daniel, I was scheduled to see the factory last month but then COVID!

    Hopefully soon!

    Also, check my buddy Griffin out, he sells master which is as good as it gets.

    Master spa Toronto
    Griffin Ryan
    griffryan@hotmail.com
    1 (416) 779-0563

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    admin May 6, 2020 at 4:12 pm

    I have an all-star in Atlanta, Adam is awesome and has great customer care.

    Atlanta Spa & Leisure
    Adam and the gang are great we spend a few days going over their business and they do a great job, good service, knowledgeable, all the right things…
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    admin May 6, 2020 at 4:11 pm

    Happy hot tubbing dude, gett he SpaStar app for your phone and hit me up if you need anything… also get the Spa marvel enzyme… it makes water care low chem and easy to manage…

  558. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 4:09 pm

    Hi Krishna

    I’m with you the hot springs scam on the heater was always a lifetime guarantee on the heater but the heater relay board seems like it is designed to fail every few years, we replaced so many of them its sick…

    Both the Coast and the artesian are good in theory the Artesian I have seen the factory and can vouch for the build quality and quality control the Coast I have not yet toured I was booked to do it last month but then COVID.

    Rin Robyn pools does PDC which is a good brand.

    also, talk to ben at East Coast spas he might have service and delivery options there as well.. BEN@eastcoastspas.com

  559. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 4:05 pm

    its a big difference and I like the room in an 8′ spa even with just a few people. the problem with a lot fo 7-foot spas is the footwell is so damn small especially with a lounger.

  560. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 4:03 pm

    Hi!

    I went to high school in Stony Creek 🙂 Orchard park secondary.

    Marquis is a mixed bag, the one I reviewed put me off of the brand, so did the fact that they won’t let me into their factory…

    Good call on the Hydropool, its owned by a big equity investment corporation out fo the US they are great at marketing but in the end its a middle of the road tub with low r-value cheap insulation.

    The master dealer that ran the event is only 50 know from you, in fact, yer dead way between 2 of them.

    Premium Wholesale Home & Leisure
    Status: HTU ALL STAR
    http://www.premiumwholesale.ca
    (519) 895-0606

    These guys are a big operation with a good service and backup support staff. Carrying Master, Twilight, H2X and MP legends. I know these guys personally and they do a great job. cryan005@sympatico.ca
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    Niagara Hot Tubs
    SpaStar, she will download app and will sign up

    Phone: 905-684-0770
    info@niagarahottubs.com
    http://www.niagarahottubs.com

    Debbie is the owner and her email is info@niagarahottubs.com
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    admin May 6, 2020 at 1:09 pm

    Hey dude

    Man, that beachcomber non-removable skirt is idiocy… blows my mind.

    The shoreline is middle fo the road like most brands, its a cradle supported shell and a second rate heating and control system, the clamp the plumbing but don’t use the barbed fittings and the insulation is not great. its like 80% of the market.

    better options for price point are Nordic, sold at Minnesota hot tubs in Lakeville and Lake Elmo, or better yet getaway hot tubs at Master Pool & Spa in St Louis Park.

    For higher-end units, you could look at Artesian at family Leisure Minneapolis in Lakeville
    or again Master pool and spa in St Louis park.

  562. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 12:28 pm

    Honestly, I saw it in vegas and I would not touch it with a ten-foot pole… Here this video is not released yet but have a boo…

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1aX1-bqRxiEQ28Tu7yw5IcCbChrSobCzY

  563. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 12:25 pm

    yeah, the foot blasters are an awesome addition not only because they rock but also because the foot domes suck! you trip on them all the time, they make the footwell crowded and with those piss ant little 1.5″ jets they don’t do squat anyway…

  564. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 12:24 pm

    Hey Conrad.

    There are 3 independent service companies that specialize in fixing hot tubs within about 20 Km of you so local is not so important as long as you stay away from brands with goofy proprietary parts. Also with apps like SpaStar that takes the most important aspect of a dealer customer relationship namely the information you need in a timely fashion and put it right into your hand, the reality is in markets with a few good service guys you can buy any good and have success.

    BF is ok and definitely better than the rest of your list but also check out Coast up at Magestic Pools & More in Val Caron which is the best of that lot locally.

  565. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 11:20 am

    Wow, there is like no hot tub guys around you 🙂

    Bullfrog is a really solid marketing group but the tub itself is kinda middle ground, it has an ABS plastic shell and a second rate heating and control system, certainly not a nightmare brand but in my recommended sweet spot 🙂

    Go to salt lake

    you can see:

    PDC @ Clear Springs in Orem.
    Artesian @ Soakers in Midvale

    But my goto guy would be The Master dealer (he has twilight on display)

    Leisure Pool & Spa
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    admin May 6, 2020 at 11:10 am

    Hi Lynn

    It’s a well-built spa you will burn around $35-$40/month averaged over the year depending on the usage that could double with super high usage

    whats your postcode?

  567. Reply
    admin May 6, 2020 at 11:08 am

    Hi Robyn!

    The coast is for sure a better bet but man that’s a price tag! which model was it?

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    admin May 5, 2020 at 8:18 pm

    Its a bit overpriced but not the nightmare stuff, the parts are proprietary which I’m not a fan of but it will keep you hot and happy if you have a solid dealer…

    happy hot tubbing!!!

  569. Reply
    admin May 5, 2020 at 1:00 pm

    Hey Tanya!

    I hope you and your fam are well.

    The not so keen guys usually soften up after a good long soak in hot water 😉

    I’m not A fan of hot springs, particularly their parts list, the master uses a solid reliable OEM parts list it means the parts are not particular to that tub, you can get them anywhere and not only are they a better quality more reliable parts but they are price competitive. Hot Springs is all proprietary parts, it means they had parts made to just fit their hot tub, they are not only not as good but they control the price because you can only get them through Hot Springs… When manufacturers do this as they are more and more it’s not about better quality in fact in most cases they are not nearly as reliable… its about corporate profits… Remember when your washer and dryer and dishwasher would last for 20 years and they could be easily and cheaply fixed? that was because they all used OEM parts that were readily available and competitively priced.. the reason the shitty Appliances in our world now last 5 years and are not worth fixing is they all went to proprietary parts and now they make a lot more money on the back of their customers…

  570. Reply
    admin May 5, 2020 at 12:45 pm

    Hi Mike

    They are both well-built spas from good manufacturers, the only things keeping Beachcomber out of my top group are the non-removable skirt which in my opinion is idiocy, we have seen customers under warranty with $1000 bills to fix a leak because the spa needs to be removed to a test facility and elevated for a wet test and fixed from underneath then returned to the customer and the cost of removal and reinstallation is not covered under warranty… on any other tub, you pop the side off fix the leak and away you go…

    You are correct about the performance as well, beachcomber just do not do anything in the high-end therapy massage end of the world, most of the jets are the smaller low flow jets and there are little or no neck shoulder jetting and minimal foot jets. The MPL and the Twilight both have the same main therapy seat with 4 of the high flow 3.5″ neck and shoulder jets above the waterline, and way more of the high flow therapy jets in the back area. I also love the 2 10″ monster jets in the bottom and on the twilight they layout is good for sitting in the floor, I like to sit in the footwell and use the big 10″ monsters on my lower back, you can flow a ton of water through them.

    Both good tubs, both good parts and good efficient units (but stay away from hybrid its dumb tech) but if massage is you aim the Twilight and the LSX are in a different world.

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    admin May 5, 2020 at 12:19 pm

    Hey Sandy

    Go see these guys, I have sent them at least 100 customers and never have I had anything but great feedback…

    Suntek Pools & Spas
    Status: HTU ALL_STAR
    Brands: Master
    sales@suntekonline.com
    Met with these folks and had a good couple days together, they have a good operation and a good brand.
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    admin May 5, 2020 at 12:17 pm

    They are not a deal-breaker for me I just don’t think they are an upgrade 🙂

    The nice side is they are dead silent, the downside is you limit the amount of water you can filter in a day. in most cases with regular usage, this is not a factor but in high usage situations especially with kids and social usage, it can be a pain in the ass… I always like that I can crank my high flow pump and filter in 24hrs what the circ pump would filter in 5 days 🙂

    Some circ pumps are junk, if you look at the circ pump used in Hot Springs line, for example, its a $30 cheap crap part that they charge $120 for because its proprietary and it fails a lot. the circ pump master uses is a lot better quality, and because it’s not a proprietary part you can shop it competitively which means the dealer is going to have a fair price point.

    In some areas dealers are more important than other areas, in Chicagoland there are tons of independent service guys and the parts on that brand are easy to source so you can always get competitive prices and fast turn around, My issue with he Sundance (jacuzzi group) is there are a lot of proprietary parts so you need a good dealer…

    The other things you need a dealer for like advice, help, and information are available on apps like SpaStar so its a lot less important now than it was even 4 or 5 years ago and frankly local dealers have been and will continue to decline as more and more people have access to good information and support through apps and local service companies… hell some markets esp the west coast it’s already around 50% of all tubs are bought from wholesalers, mass merchants etc…

  573. Reply
    admin May 5, 2020 at 10:44 am

    That’s a bit steeper than I have seen… but COVID means everyone wants a hot tub and supplies are low…

    here are other dealers in your area.

    Rin Robyn Pools Chester, NJ
    Kasper’s Pool Supplies and Spas, Easton, PA
    KS Pools and Patios, Langhorne, PA
    Central Jersey Pools Patio & More, Freehold Township, NJ

  574. Reply
    admin May 5, 2020 at 10:44 am

    That’s a bit steeper than I have seen… but COVID means everyone wants a hot tub and supplies are low…

    here are other dealers in your area.

    Rin Robyn Pools Chester, NJ
    Kasper’s Pool Supplies and Spas, Easton, PA
    KS Pools and Patios, Langhorne, PA
    Central Jersey Pools Patio & More, Freehold Township, NJ

  575. Reply
    admin May 5, 2020 at 7:17 am

    yeah there is a lot of pseudoscience on that brand and the reality every hot tub you can customize jetting, the jets pop out and for $30 you can buy any jet that fits the hole and you are not limited to the small area of the back which is the only area they really do… plus low-end neck and shoulder jets low-end foot jets and a mid-grade parts list…

  576. Reply
    admin May 5, 2020 at 7:16 am

    At This price point, you can’t build a good hot tub, never mind selling to a mass merchant who will then mark it up and resell it… mass merchants are crap at these products, it’s going to be a thin shell, low r-value insulation and low end build…

  577. Reply
    admin May 5, 2020 at 7:13 am

    Nordic. better bang for the buck and better heating and control system, the BF has better insulation but only marginally

  578. Reply
    admin May 4, 2020 at 7:30 pm

    It’s such a crazy corner to cut… If those guys modernized the designs and did some higher-end therapy spas they would be a major player… it’s like they are stuck in 1986

  579. Reply
    admin May 4, 2020 at 7:08 pm

    Yeah for sure the MPL should be a lot more… but then again that TS DL is a big tub…

  580. Reply
    admin May 4, 2020 at 6:29 pm

    Shoreline Hot Tubs And Saunas in Orange does nordic which is a good price point entry level spa.

    Factory Direct Hot Tubs in Branford does Artesian which runs from just above the nordic to high end.

    Master spas direct in Cheshire ben@eastcoastspas.com does Getaway which is just above the Nordics and then runs all the way to higher ends even than the ASrtesian.. all are well built with good parts.

  581. Reply
    admin May 4, 2020 at 6:26 pm

    Hi Kellie

    I toured the factory last January but they didn’t make the cut… the shell is a cradle supported run of the mill shell and all they bloody marketing about the strongest shell and the steel is bullshit… its a thin strip of metal that I could bend in half with 4 fingers… the QC was hit and miss and the on some they use the goof Balboa system and others a lesser brand also you need to order the full foam separately… its not a nightmare brand but nothing special.

  582. Reply
    admin May 4, 2020 at 6:24 pm

    Hi Mike.

    I was just in both and the truth is both the main seats are identical and that’s the selling point for me… the foot jets on the twilight flow more water and the positioning makes them usable for more areas of the body… hoinsetly I just love the main seat and the foot jets the rest of the seats I dont bother with 🙂

  583. Reply
    admin May 4, 2020 at 6:22 pm

    Hi Kimberly

    both are well built reliable spas but the LSX is hand down the more expensive jetting package. personally I like the twilight just as much or more the performance is the same and the layout is better and its a lot cheaper…

  584. Reply
    admin May 4, 2020 at 6:20 pm

    eco pure is free and ion help a lot the UV AOP system on master our is again good and it really reduces chemicals but the reality is No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

  585. Reply
    admin May 4, 2020 at 6:19 pm

    Hi Ty

    Size is up to you, the Antigua will offer a lot more foot room so if you are going to have 3 or 4 peeps it will be a big difference.

    Ozone on hot tubs is pretty much useless it would need a big system that would cost $2500 to really matter the $150 ozone systems on hot tubs are nothing.

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

  586. Reply
    admin May 4, 2020 at 6:15 pm

    damn straight I can! what are you looking for?

  587. Reply
    admin May 4, 2020 at 6:15 pm

    naw we will just keep working until we’re done 🙂 often times my buyer’s service goes on for months and months, sometimes it’s wrapped up in a day

  588. Reply
    admin May 4, 2020 at 4:57 pm

    Hey Todd

    I always go with what a house would require… In your area that R-25 so your tub should be that good… California has banned all tubs that do not have full foam… what does that say about the bullshit pitch that somehow 2″ of foam totaling maybe R-8 is enough? I don’t like the Arctic at all… the only thing they do well si the shell and the overengineered base all the parts are Chinese proprietary parts and the plumbing is not clamped and the insulation is pants… nice marketing though 🙂

    See the Coast dealer Majestic Pools & More, Val Caron.

    there are also enough service guys locally to go wholesale direct if you want to look at that option.

  589. Reply
    admin May 4, 2020 at 9:29 am

    Here check out this?

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aX1-bqRxiEQ28Tu7yw5IcCbChrSobCzY/view?usp=sharing

  590. Reply
    admin May 3, 2020 at 9:50 am

    hey Ricardo

    Wellis is a mess, thin shell with all these goofy supports everywhere to keep it together, honestly, it’s just low end in every aspect and Pinnacle is not much better if at all… this is the mid-ground where most spas reside and you pay as much here as you do for some fo the really good value for the money tubs.

    Florida Hot Tub & Sauna Center in Hollywood does Artesian check them out and then check out the master dealer here:

    South East Spas
    Have met these people several times and they are good solid reliable people,
    Steve’s email is sharp@southeast.com
    Steve is more involved in the retail stores.
    Owners Philip Giles and Larry Giles ( they focus more on the shows on the rd.)
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    admin May 4, 2020 at 8:21 am

    I’ve not seen then first hand so I’m going by feedback, I was supposed to fly out and see the factory 2 weeks ago but with COVID I had to cancel.

    hopefully, we will have more info coming up.

  592. Reply
    admin May 4, 2020 at 8:12 am

    Hi Ben

    I would say in your area a really good perimeter insulation system would cost around $6-$10/ month more than a really good full foam system.

    Those numbers are pretty good and it is hard to pass up that direct deal. Although the bar Harbour at $6200 is a solid price for a 40 jet twin pump tub and I love that shell design, it’s based off the Clarity line, and it’s all about space!

    Whether the upgrade is worth it is down to what you want in a tub if massage is your goal the upgraded spas will offer more therapy massage with he better jet packages.

    Yer on the right track regardless there are no spas in that group that are going to be bad buys.

  593. Reply
    admin May 3, 2020 at 10:12 am

    I run 8 hours a day on mine with regular usage… especially if yer using spa marvel…

  594. Reply
    admin May 3, 2020 at 10:11 am

    the best bet is water truck, wells are finicky and the water changes a lot from time to time… Use spa marvel then you only need to refill every year or so and it makes the water super-low chem and easy to manage…

  595. Reply
    admin May 3, 2020 at 10:10 am

    for sure I have some solid contacts there 🙂 i grew up in that area 🙂

  596. Reply
    admin May 3, 2020 at 10:09 am

    That’s right in the price range I would expect especially now… its so busy most retailers are up 300% in sales….

  597. Reply
    admin May 3, 2020 at 10:08 am

    Hi Jen

    They are very similar in terms of performance and jetting.

    The Clarity is a lot bigger esp the footwell.

    The parts on the Caldera are proprietary which makes it a no go for me…

  598. Reply
    admin May 3, 2020 at 10:06 am

    Hey Patrick

    they are good choices for sure, also check out Grffen Ryan at Mississauga master.

    build quality wise they are very similar, but if you go Beachcomber stay away from the hybrid option and the skirts not removable so you open herself up to the possibility of big repair bills if you get a leak.

    performance wise the Master high end (twilight is top followed by the LSX and artesian elites, the Beachcomber performance level is on par with the middle lines of Artesian and master.

    Master spa Toronto
    Griffin Ryan
    griffryan@hotmail.com
    1 (416) 779-0563

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  599. Reply
    admin May 3, 2020 at 10:03 am

    Hey Jaysen

    I wouldn’t bother personally… its a good system it uses AOP which is the ozone injected then ran through the UV. the reason I would not bother is that for $55 every 3 months you can add an enzyme pack in that will get you to lower chlorine levels than that system, and have the added advantages of establishing the PH and protecting the plastic parts… Just buy this shit dude… try it if you don’t agree with my assessment Ill refund it…

    Spa marvel Canada

  600. Reply
    admin May 3, 2020 at 9:59 am

    Hey Vicky

    yer at a good price, I would basically save you my fee so not really worth your while 🙂

  601. Reply
    admin May 3, 2020 at 9:58 am

    Its not a nightmare brand but its not in that sweet spot either, I think they spend too much on the marketing and gimmicks and not enough on the tub. Its a weak ABS plastic shell that requires pedestal supporting, strike one, then the heating and control system while not a nightmare proprietary part is not my recommended one, the Balboa heating and control system is so far ahead of the rest there really is no number 2 they hold key patents that just makes it a much better system. Performance-wise again kind of middle ground, no really high flow neck or shoulder jetting and again very little foot and leg jetting.

  602. Reply
    admin May 3, 2020 at 9:54 am

    check out PDC spas they are sold at All American Custom Pools & Spas, Inc in Norwalk, try Coast at Del Mar Pools and Spas Inc in Danbury and hit up this wholesaler and see if he has service in that area Factory Direct sales
    ben@eastcoastspas.com

  603. Reply
    admin May 3, 2020 at 9:45 am

    Hey Tom

    be well is a mixed bag middle of the road.. gecko control and heating system which I’m not a fan of, its a cradle supported shell with a lower R-value insulation system. it’s typical of 80% of the market…

    I’m always trying to find the sweet spot where they are building really well but not blowing their brains out on marketing!

    Marquis I’m unsure of, had loads of misinformation from them and they were really dodgy when I was trying to inspect the factory then I got a brand new one and it was a freeking mess… And now they refuse to let me see the factory even if I pay the bill to get there 🙂

    Find a coast or Master, or Beachcomber if you can

    what’s yer post code

  604. Reply
    admin May 3, 2020 at 9:00 am

    Hey Karen!

    Are you drunk?

    Beachcomber is my number 5 tub in the market… I like it 🙂

    But there are some issues…

    The Hybrid is dumb… Even Kieth Scott knows this, I remember in Toronto back in the ’80s when Kieth and Sean Casey his number one were gathering all the tubs up to test them because Kieth was convinced the Hybrid was a more efficient way to do it… Kieth always was more of a hippy than a science guy 🙂 Halfway through when it became clear the numbers were not going to go his way they abandoned the project and buried the data 🙂 I was there. it’s just bad science… losing the waste heat from the motors is inefficient, pumping your hot water outside of the insulation envelope is inefficient, and the risk of freeze up on a power outage is way higher and faster when the equipment is outside in a very low insulation area… science…

    And a non-removable skirt to save a couple of hundred dollars is idiocy… The cost of fixing a leak is insane because the hot tub has to be removed elevated and tested and fixed and returned and the customer foots the bill it’s stupid… on any other tub you pop the side off fix the leak and re-foam it and away you go…

    Performance-wise the highest end tub they do is pretty middle fo the road, They have no real neck or foot jets system and most of the jets are the low flow inexpensive jets…

    They build a good hand-rolled shell with a vinyl ester resin core, they glue and clamp the plumbing, have good parts, good insulation, and good quality control.

    Overall its a much better tub than 80% of the stuff out there…

    I support quality products where ever they are from, 2 of my top 5 are Canadian brands.

    What makes me an expert is I have massive amounts of information about the industry and the tech and the manufacturing… I’ve been in all ends of this industry for over 35 years…

  605. Reply
    admin May 3, 2020 at 7:28 am

    Hi Dorian

    Thanks for the donation!

    There are not many options around you but there are 2 local service companies so if you stick with brands using the good US parts you should be fine for service.

    for a small spa, I would rethink the lounge…. first-time buyers always wants lounger and second-time buyers never do. they take up too much usable space, and you float out of them.. they are comfy in dry land but in a water environment where you are floating you don’t even notice them…

    Either way for a rental application goto a rotomould, they are durable as hell, they have a non-slip surface which is good for liability issues and they are simple and reliable… I would look at the getaway hot tub line the Ocho Rios or the San Miguel would fit your needs.

    Atlanta Spa & Leisure Inc
    Owner Adam

    the last 3 months we have sent them 7 to 8 leads and all but one were sold tubs.
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    admin May 2, 2020 at 3:02 pm

    depends on the area for sure, In markets where there are a lot of out of state purchases there will be loads of independent service companies… Denver has 9 service companies that just fix hot tubs… with the SpaStar app all the help and info and troubleshooting is in your phone as is the request service feature which puts you in touch with us and we will get a service guy out.

  607. Reply
    admin May 2, 2020 at 2:25 pm

    Beachcomber does not make swim spas, Clear Choice pools there sells American whirlpool, they are a lower end unit with cradle supported shells, no clamps on the plumbing and low R-value insulation, and there is a Sunrise dealer again lower end stuff. The Arctic spa is a good shell, but its all cheap Chinese proprietary parts, no clamps on the plumbing, and a cheap low R-value insulation system.

    there are a lot of service guys around you I would look to getting a good build from a wholesaler, you will save money, get a better product, and as long as you stay with a good parts list have no issues with service.

    The best-built ones are H2X, PDC, Michael Phelps, Tidal fit.

    Flow rate wise The Phelps and the PDC True swim are to top for flow rates then the H2X Challenger series then the H2x Trainers then the Tidal fit.

  608. Reply
    admin May 2, 2020 at 2:15 pm

    Hay Shane.

    Hydropool was bought by an equity investment company out of the US they are arguably the best marketing company out there but the actual ui\nit is a mid-grade cradle supported shell with an insulation system that is cheap and low R-value, Mylar was pretty much banned in the ’80s in the housing industry with the Canadian Mortgage housing authority saying it was one of the worst insulation they ever tested similarly most f the US states issued official warnings to consumers about buying this crap, it’s great at reflecting radiant heat so it can bounce radiation and heat away from things but it has no thermal mass so it is crap at containing heat into a system… Honestly its mass merchant quality gear.

    Endless pools used to be good when they were made my PDC but again they were bought out by another of the big marketing groups and again the best thing about it is marketing. Im not a fan of the heating and control system you really want a Balboa like your Beachcomber has.

    The best-built ones are H2X, PDC, Michael Phelps, Tidal fit.

    Flow rate wise The Phelps and the PDC True swim are to top for flow rates then the H2X Challenger series then the H2x Trainers then the Tidal fit.

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    admin May 2, 2020 at 9:53 am

    So you are at the top of the price point and likely don’t even need to spend that much.

    You have the regular flashy mid-grade overpriced stuff like Jacuzzi and Hot Springs but they honestly are not great performance spas and you are mostly paying for the crazy expensive marketing and branding campaigns, the tubs themselves are middle build quality and middle performance.

    If massage is you main aim I would look at Twilight spas, they have more of the expensive large 5″ high flow therapy massage jets than any tub on the market, they also have 4 of the large 3.5″ high flow neck and shoulder jets, honestly its the best massage seat I’ve ever been in or seen.

    for lots of flash and bling and still pretty good message check out the Mp LSX spas and the Artesian elites.

    Family Leisure Minneapolis, Lakeville sells the artesians and these guys do the Twilights and MP LSX lines

    Master Pool & Spa
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    admin April 30, 2020 at 7:35 pm

    just emailed you

  611. Reply
    admin April 30, 2020 at 7:34 pm

    yep 🙂

    already found you a spa but yer such a fussy git!!! looking for a better color for you 🙂

  612. Reply
    admin April 30, 2020 at 7:33 pm

    nope if I don’t save you my fee Ill refund the difference

  613. Reply
    admin April 30, 2020 at 7:33 pm

    just emailed you

  614. Reply
    admin April 30, 2020 at 7:32 pm

    yeah call me buddy Adam

    Atlanta Spa & Leisure
    Adam and the gang are great we spend a few days going over their business and they do a great job, good service, knowledgeable, all the right things…
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    admin April 30, 2020 at 7:02 pm

    No Matter what spa you buy wire 6-3 copper cable with a 50 amp GFI then yer good for anything down the road.

    Buying wholesale only works out well if you have good local independent service guys, give me yer area and ill see what you have there for resources.

    The pricing is high if yer talking USD

  616. Reply
    admin April 30, 2020 at 6:59 pm

    The tubs solid and the TS performance is unparalleled, it’s my favorite spa.

    Funny I’m a dealer and I’m going to do a video about how I’m kind of outdated… The reality is with the app we designed called SpaStar the need for a local dealer is not such a big deal anymore. I mean really what do you need from a dealer??? You need timely information and knowledge and we put that all in the app now so your dealer is on your phone… the other thing you need is scheme and accessories and that on the next version of the app and the last thing you need is service and the little independent hot tub service guys re awesome especially if you have a good spa with easily sourced OEM parts… Dealers like me just add cost and we don’t bring as much to the table as we once did…

    Not only that but your local dealer has decent google reviews not that reviews mean anything hell Forbes says as many as 70% of them are bullshit anyway… its a pay to rank world dude and if you want good reviews just open your wallet 🙂 likely if you want to tank your competitor just open your wallet…

  617. Reply
    admin April 30, 2020 at 6:38 pm

    They are not the same! Garden spas by Artesian are good Garden leisure is middle fo the road mass, merchant quality

  618. Reply
    admin April 30, 2020 at 6:37 pm

    I’m on it Megan!

  619. Reply
    admin April 30, 2020 at 6:37 pm

    Aquaterra is low-end cheapo spa stay away.

    The Marquis vector 21 I got was a wreck…

    The bullfrog is better but it stall has a cradle supported plastic shell and the parts are middle fo the road but at least they clamp the plumbing lines and use good insulation.

    Dude Denver has great options you have Artesian, master, PDC, and Coast all good choices.

  620. Reply
    admin April 30, 2020 at 6:32 pm

    The thing I like about the brand is they are all well built and well insulated with good parts. A lot of brands downgrade the quality on entry-level spas the only thing that really changes through the lines with Master is the performance jetting, the warranty and the massage

  621. Reply
    admin April 30, 2020 at 6:29 pm

    Hey LeeAnn

    No matter what you buy yer on your own 🙂

    So make sure that the brand you buy has readily available parts and either you need to be able to do basic troubleshooting or have someone who can…

    Make sure you get the SpaStar app and stay the hell away from brands with proprietary parts.

    Im gonna email ya

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    admin April 30, 2020 at 6:26 pm

    In general, its middle of the road with a cradle supported shell, no clamps on the plumbing lines, and a low-cost low R-value insulation system.

    That model is ok from a performance standpoint with the regular mix of high flow and small low flow jets but the neck and shoulder and foot jets are way too small if you really want neck shoulder massage get a unit with three or four of the 3.5″ high flow jets and for feet find something with the 10″ monsters.

    Honestly its a mass merchant quality and performance and should be fairly inexpensive to buy.

  623. Reply
    admin April 30, 2020 at 6:17 pm

    hmmm, maybe he didn’t notice you on the cc list 🙂

  624. Reply
    admin April 30, 2020 at 6:12 pm

    Wow super rare… the only thing I can think is insulate the backside of the skirt in the front area a bit but typically if the cabinet gets that cold the heater would kick on…

  625. Reply
    admin April 30, 2020 at 6:10 pm

    Watkins runs a full proprietary parts list I’m, not a fan, Master is all readily available OEM parts and a lot better, I don’t know the other company.

  626. Reply
    admin April 30, 2020 at 6:09 pm

    Hey Ken

    It’s crazy how few options you have for a major metropolis, frankly its all fancy marketing and crazy overpriced mid-grade spas there, the bling rules in LA 🙂

    You also have an insane number of Hot tub service companies because most people don’t buy local there, the pricing is bat shit crazy, mid-performance spas with outdated saltwater tech and crap proprietary parts made in Mexico being sold for 2x what they are worth on the back of fancy branding and insane marketing…

    Forget rating sites they are all bullshit.

    Forbes says around 70% are fake… all it takes is one competitor with a grudge and they can create 20 email accounts and using a VPN tank a competitor’s rating. likewise, I know that loads of retailers get friends and family to rate them and again lots go so far as to create fake accounts and up their ratings… its 100% useless information 🙁

    Even the BBB basically pays to rate, check out this CNN article. https://money.cnn.com/2015/09/30/news/better-business-bureau/index.html

    The reality is ratings and review companies are businesses, they make money, and if you pay to play you get better ratings…

    master is a huge target in general… they do these big expo events where they go into a market and sell tubs at an event, the local dealers go bat shit crazy because they will decimate an area selling 100+ spas in a weekend… You don’t think those local dealers and all their family members aren’t getting on the rating sites?

    Stick with the basics… You want guys that are doing the main things right… if there manufacturing techniques like making solid hand-rolled self-supporting shells, and using reliable readily available OEM parts and gluing and clamping the plumbing lines and spending money on solid expensive and reliable high R-value insulation systems they are good buys… if they are Big name brands using proprietary parts and cheap radiant barrier insulation systems and spending big bucks on branding and marketing and advertising to sell these middle-level products as high end instead then they are crap.

    stick with science… Master, Artesian, PDC, Coast, Beachcomber

    Besides the reality is with a well-made spa with good readily available parts does not require a good local dealer… use apps like SpaStar that give you all the information you need from a local dealer on your phone, there are lots of independent service e companies around you for service and all the scheme and filters are better price online in a lot of cases…

  627. Reply
    admin April 30, 2020 at 5:55 pm

    Hi

    It is super busy in the hot tub world and super slow in the pool world right now 🙂 so pool companies selling spas are great at talking to you right now but pool companies are not the best place usually to buy spas, their main business is pools and they don’t usually know much about hot tubs it’s just a bolt-on product for them.

    Vince primo was a big selling all over Texas and went bust a few years back, I know that Master stepped up and honored hundreds of thousands of dollars of deposits and made good on all customers that lost their deposits.. kind of crazy really never ever have I heard of a manufacturer covering an end-users deposit for a retailer…

    Anyway, there is only one other brand in your area worth a damn and that Artesian, called Spas Direct Of Texas, Dickinson they also sell jacuzzi which I’m not a fan of.

  628. Reply
    admin April 30, 2020 at 5:42 pm

    Hey Brian, its a fair price and stores are running out of tubs, it has been insanely busy with some estimates ranging as high as a 300% increase this month over last year…

    extended warranty is piece of mind for some people and it really depends more on your level of risk aversion 🙂

  629. Reply
    admin April 30, 2020 at 5:40 pm

    no worries be safe 🙂

  630. Reply
    admin April 29, 2020 at 5:54 pm

    Hey Robert!

    Don’t get the sainthood out yet man 🙂 I started this because I was pissed off at the fake world of marketing being a substitute for quality but I make a lot of money off this site 🙂

    I do stay true to my values and genuinely say what I would say even if not being paid but the reality is this world is a shit show… We need to stop this damn rollercoaster of wrecking our environment for disposable crap that ends up in landfills and screwing hard-working people out of their money with bullshit promises… OK rant over 🙂

    First off, even for fit people, a 2 person spa is dodgy… It’s too small and the volume of water is too low, they are hard to keep clean… Shit man in CA I don’t know if I would worry too much about insulation unless it gets below freezing then yes order the full foam…

    Three or four-person spas like the ones you are looking at will do 2 nicely 🙂

    Shit man if we need to go to Santa rosa around 100 miles away lets just buy wholesale direct…

    you should do my private buyers service, I guarantee ill save you more than the fee or ill refund it…

  631. Reply
    admin April 29, 2020 at 5:44 pm

    Hi Dennis

    it’s a common story with this brand, the marketing is so sweet but the product is meh… and the service issues are likely not even the all the dealer’s fault, the crappy proprietary parts have planned obsolescence and then the wait for them to ship them from Mexico kills the dealer unless they stock tons of parts… Its why my number one mantra is DO NOT BUY A HOT TUB WITH PROPRIETARY PARTS!! ITS A SCAM!!!

    PDC builds a good quality A nice mix of jets but no neck shoulder jetting or foot jet system performance-wise it’s going to be mid-upper it’s available at Rin Robyn Pools with several locations around you

    As for high performance as a good option, It has a nice mix of jets and good build quality it lacks good foot jets and the neck and shoulder jets are the low flow 1.5″ jets you find in most neck and shoulder seats. its upper-middle performance-wise but def better than most. It’s available locally at Pelican Pool & Ski Center, Somerville.

    Next up would be the Artesian I would look at Artesian Like the above 2 spas it lacks and real neck or shoulder systems and would be a similar performance range While the jetting is again upper middle with a standard mix of the large high flow and low flow jets and again minimal neck and shoulder jetting consisting of low flow 1.5″ jets but on the higher end models it does have a great foot jet system with the two 10″ monster jets in the floor. again this is available at Pelican Pool & Ski Center, Somerville.

    The top of the performance list would be the Master spas they have the highest number of the high-end large therapy massage jets and The neck and shoulder jetting are four of the high flow 3.5″ therapy jets it also has the 10″ monster in the floor for foot massage. there are 2 dealers near you one is Suntek Pools & Spas, Farmingdale and the other is East Coast Spas in Horsham 

  632. Reply
    admin April 29, 2020 at 5:33 pm

    Hey, it was nice talking to you let me know if you need any more help!

    Happy hot tubbing and stay safe…

  633. Reply
    admin April 29, 2020 at 5:31 pm

    Hey Gerry

    There is no way on gods green earth I won’t be worth the private buyer’s service, Not only will I save you at least my fee on the initial purchase but I’ll also be there when you need me down the road.

    I know Collingwood well, many great days as a delinquent teen on the beach and surrounding areas 🙂

    The good thing about the area is its a summer haven with loads of service guys around that make their living managing properties and doing repairs, I have a solid local guy who does hot tub service.

    We can certainly buy local and look at wholesalers.

    I need a better picture of what you mean, is the tub going to be elevated? if so we need to get a structural engineer to evaluate. If it’s going ground level with the deck around it we need to talk to to the person doing the deck mods. either way, just this end will be well worth my fee, this is done wrong all the time leading to big costs down the road.

  634. Reply
    admin April 29, 2020 at 5:18 pm

    Hi Megan 🙂

    Busy as hell!

    I’m take good care of you and no matter what you decide to buy Ill save you more than my fee!

    Have a great day and stay safe!!!

  635. Reply
    admin April 29, 2020 at 10:05 am

    Hi Michael

    Thank you for the donation!

    Tubs can not be supported by the lip, I agree it would be a great option but its too much stress for even the most robust shell!

    The rule of thumb for this type of install (which is the most expensive and complex of all the options) is to have the crypt about 36″ to 48″ larger than the hot tub. it needs to have a floor drain and or a sump pump to ensure that water from the environment or from any potential leak on the tub does not fill the crypt and flood the equipment.

    It is advisable to have fully removable panels and framing around the tub so that in a worst-case scenario you can expose the entire sides of the unit for service. the reality is you will likely only need access to one side of the spa but if you are unlucky and have an LED failure or leak then having access to the sides becomes critical, either that or a method or lifting the tub from the hole. This can be anything from the ability to assemble a gantry crane over the hole to having the tub on a hydraulic base that can be raised or lowered, the options are only limited by the spend.

    I also want you to consider the ease of use. While a spa mounted at ground level looks great, you are basically stepping into a big hole every time you use it and when you get out you are typically on your hands and knees unless you have railings installed to assist in climbing in and out of the tub. A more practical installation would have the tub coming up above the ground by 15-22″ so that you can easily sit on the side to get in and out. This may not be an issue now if you are young and healthy but I can tell you that even at a fit 50 I would not want a tub installed at ground level… Even opening and closing the cover is a pain in the ass in that instance.

    PDC builds a good quality 3 person model called the Premium Caramel A nice mix of jets but no neck shoulder jetting or foot jet system performance-wise it’s going to be mid-upper it’s available at Rin Robyn Pools with several locations around you

    As for high performance smaller spas, I would look at the Omega from Coast as a good option, It has a nice mix of jets and good build quality it lacks good foot jets and the neck and shoulder jets are the low flow 1.5″ jets you find in most neck and shoulder seats. its upper-middle performance-wise but def better than most. It’s available locally at Pelican Pool & Ski Center, Somerville.

    Next up would be the Artesian I would look at the Santa Cruz Like the above 2 spas it lacks and real neck or shoulder systems and would be a similar performance range
    then the Quail Ridge While the jetting is again upper middle with a standard mix of the large high flow and low flow jets and again minimal neck and shoulder jetting consisting of 2 low flow 1.5″ jets it does have a great foot jet system with the two 10″ monster jets in the floor. again this is available at Pelican Pool & Ski Center, Somerville.

    The top of the performance list would be the Master spas Twilight 6.2 or 67.25 they have the highest number of the high-end large therapy massage jets and The neck and shoulder jetting are four of the high flow 3.5″ therapy jets it also has the 10″ monster in the floor for foot massage. there are 2 dealers near you one is Suntek Pools & Spas, Farmingdale and the other is East Coast Spas in Horsham

  636. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 3:38 pm

    The down and dirty way would be to get a pack of fiberglass pink or roxul and a pack of contractor-grade big garbage bags with a roll of Tuck tape (used for the vapor barrier on houses) make nice little presents oput fo the battons of insulation, dont compress the insulation. Talke the skirts off and pack them around the shell of the swimmer

  637. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 3:35 pm

    The Endless pool was great when PDC built it but since its buyout by the equity investment group that is buying up all the non-profitable hot tub makers and smothering them is awesome branding it would not be in my pile.

    Honestly, I swam in both the PDC and the Phelps and they are neck and neck I can’t decide which I like better except…

    The only thing better on the Phelps is the massage jetting, the main seats have the Twilight therapy massage jets and it kicks the shit out of everything out there.

  638. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 2:20 pm

    I don’t blame you $15k is a big number for a hot tub and for that kind of money I would want a lot better jet package, the neck jets are one 3.5″ high flow than 2 of the little 1.5″ low flow so not a great massage set for neck and shoulders and similarly, the volcano well better than most spas really should be a couple of fo the big 10″ master jets for really good calf foot etc… On top of that its a proprietary control and heating system and that’s a deal-breaker for me The brand is owned by the same equity investment firm that owns Jacuzzi and a pile of other manufacturers, these guys typically buy up unprofitable lines and wrap them in rely great branding and marketing and sell them as high end but the reality is the only high-end thing about them is the branding and marketing, they are middle fo the road and overpriced in my opinion.

    check out these guys. the clarity balance 9 is a similar size and better parts and should be a lot less or the LSX 900 should be in that price range but a much nicer tub with way better jetting package and better parts.

    Home Innovations Spas
    Looking at a custom version of Spa Star to cover the entire state of Nebraska
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    spasonline.com
    +1 402-333-8365
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  639. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 2:10 pm

    I can’t find a 640 in their lineup

  640. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 2:08 pm

    yeah you can clamp the plumbing lines with basic hose clamps and add insulation, hell even wall insulation in hefty garbage bags would be a big improvement, make sure to let the motors breathe though

  641. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 1:54 pm

    No, the BF is not as well made as the Master nor are the parts as good, I would go master over BF the pricing is good

  642. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 1:53 pm

    They are both good spas if yer tall the HL is an awesomely comfortable unit.

    I am not a fan of the circ pumps they are low flow and highly limited on how much water they can filter, the high-speed filter system is way better and much more reliable, they can easily get an NRS system from Master for the main pump and make it a lot quieter.

  643. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 1:50 pm

    Hi Jill

    For sure the Artesian spa beats all of them hands down.

    The BF is second but it’s pretty far down my list, the ABS plastic pedestal supported shell is nowhere near as strong as the good fiberglass shells and the gecko control and heating system while better than the proprietary crap on the Jacuzzi, Sundance, and Hot Springs but I really like a Balboa system, its simply the best most reliable system out there.

    check out Country Stove & Patio in North Royalton they do PDC wich is good and Leisuretime Warehouse in Wickliffe does master which is good.

  644. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 1:46 pm

    The Catalina would be the best of the three for sure I’m not a fan of Vita and Dr wellness at all.

    Catalina is pretty run of the mill and should come in mid-price point. The cradle supported shell is a concern, I really want a hand-rolled self-supporting shell, its a big difference on a critical part of your ho ttub purchase

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T9DY6am_E0&w=560&h=315%5D

    I’m also not a fan of gecko control and heating systems, my experience with them has not been great, they make the pack very hard to service and I’ve found the reliability to be meh.

  645. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 1:37 pm

    hit these guys up

    East Coast Spas
    Status: HTU All-Star
    Dealers # 1 215-420-7106
    https://www.eastcoastspas.com/

    John sales manager
    Owner Dan Henry
    Email : ben@eastcoastspas.com

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  646. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 1:36 pm

    Hard to say, can’t see if they clamp the plumbing lines but Im not a fan of the gecko control and heating system much prefer a Balboa system. also, the fact that they use high-density foam usually means they are using it to support a thin shell… it makes the plumbing inaccessible and a nightmare to fix.

  647. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 1:29 pm

    I need to know the model of the Coast, the TS price is right and performance and build quality is really good, I rate the TS as one of the top all-round tubs for performance and build quality.

  648. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 1:27 pm

    Hey, Rob yeah beachcomber is good and bad… They build to a good standard and clamp the plumbing and use good insulation and good OEM parts but stay away from the hybrid option, its old tech and nowhere near as good as a system with the pumps inside where you can reclaim the heat and protect the equipment in power outages, the big problem I have with the brand is they cut a serious corner on the skirting to save money. the skirt is not removable… it means when you have a leak instead of a quick $300 fix where you pop the side off fix the leak and away you go these asshats made it so the tub needs to be removed and taken to a test place to be elevated and fixed from underneath and the warranty does not cover removal or reinstall so count on weeks without a tub and a grand in charges…

    Hot water leisure does cost which is good but my goto there is Empress spas…

    Empress Hot Tubs & Swim Spas
    I know Jacqueline well and we work closely together, she has helped out a lot of people for me.
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    empresshottubs.com
    +1 403-457-5774
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  649. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 1:22 pm

    Artesian is a good brand for sure

  650. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 1:22 pm

    Looks like a mixed bag, the shell is a way less expensive ABS plastic with Polyurethane these are nowhere near as strong or reliable as a good fiberglass shell. parts look good and the clamp the plumbing lines but cheap low R-value radiant insulation system

  651. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 1:16 pm

    Hey Andrew.

    The best install is to have the tub on the ground and deck around it. just make sure you have removable panels around it. keep it about 15-22″ above the deck then its easy to get in and out of, if you have it sunk all the way down its like climbing into and out of a hole… really nice looking but not very practical.

    spa in deck

    Good local brands are available from World of hot tubs in Guelph that does Artesian but yer right beside the biggest Canadian dealer for hot tubs and they carry master which is one of my top-rated brands.

    Premium Wholesale Home & Leisure
    Status: HTU ALL STAR
    http://www.premiumwholesale.ca
    (519) 895-0606

    These guys are a big operation with a good service and backup support staff. Carrying Master, Twilight, H2X and MP legends. I know these guys personally and they do a great job. cryan005@sympatico.ca
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    admin April 28, 2020 at 1:06 pm

    Hey Patrick

    Forget review and rating sites, Forbes says around 70% are fake… all it takes is one competitor with a grudge and they can create 20 email accounts and using a VPN tank a competitors rating likewise I know that loads of retailers get friends and family to rate them and again lots go so far as to create fake accounts and up their ratings… its 100% useless information 🙁

    Even the BBB is basically pay to rate, check out this CNN article. https://money.cnn.com/2015/09/30/news/better-business-bureau/index.html

    The reality is ratings and review companies are businesses, they make money, and if you pay to play you get better ratings…

    Take these two companies… yelp rates them as 2 stars and 1.5 stars but google rates them at 4.4stars forget it… its a total scam. a prime example is master spas in general… they do these big expo events where they go into a market and sell tubs at an event, the local dealers go bat shit crazy because they will decimate an area selling 100+ spas in a weekend… You don’t think those local dealers and all their family members aren’t getting on the rating sites?

    Stick with the basics… You want guys that are doing the main things right… if there manufacturing techniques like making solid hand-rolled self-supporting shells, and using reliable readily available OEM parts and gluing and clamping the plumbing lines and spending money on solid expensive and reliable high R-value insulation systems they are good buys… if they are Big name brands using proprietary parts and cheap radiant barrier insulation systems and spending big bucks on branding and marketing and advertising to sell these middle-level products as high end instead then they are crap.

    stick with science… Master, Artesian, PDC, Coast, Beachcomber

    Besides the reality is with a well-made spa with good readily available parts does not require a good local dealer… use apps like SpaStar that give you all the information you need from a local dealer on your phone, there are lots of independent service e companies around you for service and all the scheme and filters are better price online in a lot of cases…

  653. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 7:54 am

    They are all the same ilk.

    Vita and Maxx have cradle supported shells, no clamps on the plumbing, and low R-value insulation that would never meet code in a house in your area.

    Cal is slightly better but again a cradle supported shell, (forget the pitch about the steel, it literally a tiny thin strip metal that will add very little to the structure). BUT if you order it with the Balboa control and heating system and the full foam upgrade it’s better than the other two.

    Three good options.

    Hot Water LeisureScapes sells Coast which is decent.
    SML sells Beachcomber but stay away from the dumb ass Hybrid option and the skirts are nonremovable which is a fucking nightmare if you have a leak.

    My goto for sure is Jaquiline at Empress, she sells Master wich is one fo my 3 favorite spas.

    Empress Hot Tubs & Swim Spas
    I know Jacqueline well and we work closely together, she has helped out a lot of people for me.
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  654. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 7:48 am

    Hey, Kate is this a duplicate post? I think I answered it yesterday.

    Sorry for the late response, busy as hell…

  655. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 7:44 am

    Absolutely the Artesian over the Hot Springs.

    The best thing about the Artesian is its a well-made spa with a solid readily available parts list and good value for the money…

    The best thing about the Hot Springs spa is the marketing and branding that tricks you into thinking this middle of the road product is high end…

  656. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 7:43 am

    Hey Jon, man I feel your pain, Word press sucks like that one wrong move and yer done!

    Not Sure where you live but find these brands…

    http://www.getawayhottubs.com
    http://www.dremmakerspas.com
    http://www.nordicspas.com

  657. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 7:40 am

    ok you have a few good local options.

    Choice Pool & Spa in Wake Forest sells Coast.
    Spa & Pool Outlet in Raleigh sells Artesian
    Parrot Bay Pools & Spas in Fuquay-Varina sell PDC

    all solid choices.

  658. Reply
    admin April 28, 2020 at 7:34 am

    Hi Michelle

    Sorry for the delay in responding, my world is a bit insane right now, soooo busy I wake up every morning to around 20 people asking for help and around 120 legit emails, I think I might be going a big COVID buggy as well 🙂

    The Mysterious John I have met, he is really an interesting guy, He is the biggest seller of hot tubs in the world I think he dominates the west coast and sells around 7000 hot tubs a year for comparison a good dealer sells 200-500 units a year. The fact that he actually deals one on one with customers blows my mind… It speaks volumes for the kind of guy he is 🙂

    The reality is in some markets buying like this is not a good thing, The prices are the same as retail and the service is crap but in the west coast, its been a big way of buying spas for 10 years and there are loads of service guys around that have sprouted as a result of this pattern of buying from wholesalers. The reality is its so expensive for brink and motor operations that local pricing is nuts like $16k for a tub worth $10k I mean look at that Aspen… mostly cheap small low flow jets and only a handful of the expensive high flow therapy jets, no real foot jetting or neck jetting except again little cheapo low flows and its full of proprietary parts

    In your area, the pricing is insanely low from this guy I never ever see lower prices on the spas he sells anywhere in the world, and I literally have 15 service companies within 50 miles of you and because that unit uses a readily available OEM parts list you should not have any issues.

    The truth is proximity in no way guarantees you a good dealer customer interface, and with Apps for you phone like SpaStar that puts all the information you normally need from a dealer into you hand, and even has troubleshooting, online chemical and accessories ordering and a one-click button to get a service tech out the need for a local dealer is really no longer an effector of your service level.

    Download this app It lets you Manage your hot tub chemistry without hassle, diagnose and fix water issues, troubleshoot any problems, and even request service on your tub. Spa Star will do all that and more and best of all IT’S FREE!

    https://www.spa-star.net/

  659. Reply
    admin April 27, 2020 at 8:38 pm

    Me too…

    Wait what are we talking about???

    Oh yeah, Hot tubs…

    Good price and I hear they will be in production on the 6th of may…

    hit the donate button motherfucker! or better yet make a pot of soup and go feed the poor in the streets or support some other worthy cause, that’s actually a better idea, please do not donate to me, go help some person who needs it more than me Brutha!

    happy hot rubbing!!!

  660. Reply
    admin April 27, 2020 at 8:32 pm

    Then do it… I will save you more than you spend on whatever you buy or Ill refund it.

  661. Reply
    admin April 27, 2020 at 8:31 pm

    So the Jac is a great marketing group but it has very few of the good 5″ high flow jets and load of proprietary parts, it’s not on my goto list. the BF is better for sure but the ABS plastic shell requires pedestal supporting and the gecko control well better then the Jac proprietary system is not up to speed with the Balboa system, the TS has the most expensive jet package and the better parts list.

  662. Reply
    admin April 27, 2020 at 8:28 pm

    I would def save you at least my fee.

    both great tubs but in this time where everyone wants a hot tub, they are hard to find…

  663. Reply
    admin April 27, 2020 at 8:27 pm

    I dont know if my map or what but I can not find anything around you…

    are these dealers local?

  664. Reply
    admin April 27, 2020 at 8:24 pm

    Its an expensive area but you do have a few service centers around you.

    The Coast is the best of that lot but yer right $16k is crazy for any spa.

    Normally I would have a few independent service guys and recommend buying from out of the market. but I have no one here:-=(

    Im gonna send you a guy that might have options for you he is the biggest wholesaler of tubs in Canada nd might have a service center near you…

  665. Reply
    admin April 27, 2020 at 8:15 pm

    Hi Sammy. It mass merchant quality you would be better to go to a mass merchant where at least you have someone to fight with when it goes wrong.

  666. Reply
    admin April 27, 2020 at 8:13 pm

    So any spa is easy to maintain water quality-wise, and hey need to meet the basic safety standards, where you get screwed are on the reliability aspect.

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Cover with a lift is likewise easy to solve but the quality and durability are where it can all go wrong.

    Round bird Pools in West Berlin does PDC which is a solid choice, so does Spa Hearth & Home in Maple Shade Township.

    On the entry-level Pools By Van Brill Inc in Richwood does Nordic which is a decent spa.

    Also, check out East Coast Spa In Horsham, http://www.eastcoastspas.com

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    admin April 27, 2020 at 7:59 pm

    It really depends on which version of the Antigua you are looking at.

    No Footblasters 52 Jet larger view 45 Jet larger view 33 Jet larger view
    Single Footblaster
    44 Jet larger view
    32 Jet larger view
    Dual Footblasters 51 Jet larger view 45 Jet larger view 33 Jet

    assuming yer looking at the top one then they are both great spas but the TS beats them both for the sheer number of the large hi-flow jets and esp in the neck and shoulder area where the Antigua has 2 of the little low flow 1.5″ jets and te TS has the four high flow 3.5″ jets. both are well made and use the same parts and build quality.

  668. Reply
    admin April 27, 2020 at 7:54 pm

    Hi Stephen
    these are mass merchant quality spas, honestly yer better just to buy Costco or Home depot where at least you have recourse when it goes wrong..

  669. Reply
    admin April 27, 2020 at 7:12 pm

    hope the phone call helped, let me know if you need me 🙂

  670. Reply
    admin April 27, 2020 at 5:01 pm

    Hi Paul

    Start with the SpaStar app.

    ill call now

  671. Reply
    admin April 27, 2020 at 12:51 pm

    Hi Kate

    Honestly forget ozone… It’s Great tech and on an industrial scale, it’s a highly effective sanitizer. I’ve even done some custom systems on hot tubs that were highly effective but you need about $2k to build it right because you should really pre-treat the air on the intake, then use primary secondary and at least tertiary absorption tanks and an off-gas district system… The piss ant little $150 ozone systems on hot tubs work for about a year and even then do very little…

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff... its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Staten Island Pool & Spa carries artesian spas

    Rin Robyn Pools in Bernardsville does PDC

    But my goto guy in the area is

    Suntek Pools & Spas
    Status: HTU ALL_STAR
    Brands: Master
    sales@suntekonline.com
    Met with these folks and had a good couple days together, they have a good operation and a good brand.
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    admin April 27, 2020 at 11:52 am

    Hi Daniel

    Neither is a nightmare brand but and performance-wise they are very similar.

    The 2 main differences are the shell and the parts. The Clarity uses a hand-rolled self-supporting shell whereas the BF uses a less expensive ABS plastic shell that is not strong enough to support the weight of the water and people so it uses pedestal supporting, its a less expensive option.

    The part issue is the heating and control pack, I really am a huge fan of the Balboa system used on all my top recommended brands, they hold some key patents that really just make it a better more reliable system, the BF uses a gecko system and while its a lot better than the nightmare proprietary systems it’s not my recommended brand.

    All things considered, I would respect the BF to be the better-priced unit.

  673. Reply
    admin April 25, 2020 at 3:16 pm

    bar harbor has a really nice roomy footwell and can fit a lot more people, its a lot bigger. otherwise, they are equal.

  674. Reply
    admin April 25, 2020 at 3:13 pm

    Hey Sammy.

    It’s mass merchant quality without the mass merchant accountability… you would be better (or worse???) to buy from home depot…

  675. Reply
    admin April 25, 2020 at 1:35 pm

    Hi Jon

    I would lean more towards the Bullfrog although none of them are in my recommended group. The Hot Springs and the Sundance both Are fantastic at the marketing, branding, and advertising to try and create the illusion that their middle of the road spas is super high-end. They also use a proprietary parts list and that’s never a good thing for the customer. There is more information here:

    The Bullfrog uses a much less expensive ABS plastic shell that is not strong enough to support the water so it has to use pedestal supporting. the parts are OEM which is a lot better than the other two but it’s not my top group, I really like to see a Balboa heating and control system.. they hold some key patents that put them miles ahead of everyone else.

    I do a lot of reviewing in general and this site gets huge traffic, we also have an app that helps people maintain their hot tubs called Spastar which has almost 20,000 downloads in the last 6 months. we also have a lot of people that hire me to be a private buyer, basically, we find what the customer wants then work the retailer for a good price we always save more than the fee.

  676. Reply
    admin April 25, 2020 at 12:27 pm

    Built-in the town where I grew up 🙂

    Middle of the road with a standard cradle supported shell and a low R-value insulation package, good parts.

  677. Reply
    admin April 25, 2020 at 10:59 am

    Shit for $400 if you have space its much roomier, but it’s not so much the seats as it the foot well

  678. Reply
    admin April 24, 2020 at 7:06 pm

    yep 🙂

  679. Reply
    admin April 24, 2020 at 7:05 pm

    Nope, master pur is an option on that model.

    A dealer might order it as part of their standard package but it’s not factory standard.

    They are a wholesaler, the reality is with apps like SpaStar (on android and apple store) IF you have a solid network of local service guys like you do in Salem what do you really need from a local dealer?

    You need a good quality spa and that is it… Everything else is easy… This idea that someone local is going to make it all better is a little out of date… what’s going to make it better is a solid product with good parts that you can easily get and information and advice at your fingertips (SpaStar) Proximity does not make a good partner, knowledge, and information and support do.

    Do you know why I’m dominating the hot tub market north American wide?

    Because I have the industry-specific knowledge that I packed into an App, and the information to make an informed buying decision, and the ability to get things done through a massive network of almost a 1000 hot tub repair guys around the US 🙂

    Who gives a shit if the guy who sold you the product sucks or not?

    Pay for the personal buyer’s service, ill be the guy that makes sure no one fucks with you and ill save you at least the $250 fee up front on the sale and you will have the best dealer and resources int he world at your beck and call…

  680. Reply
    admin April 24, 2020 at 6:53 pm

    was supposed to be there now but COVID 🙁 who knows when…

  681. Reply
    admin April 24, 2020 at 6:53 pm

    was suposed to be there now but COVID 🙁 who knows when…

  682. Reply
    admin April 23, 2020 at 6:43 pm

    Good build quality and a decent price for sure

  683. Reply
    admin April 23, 2020 at 5:36 pm

    Eastern European Eurotrash with shin shells and crazy steel supports to try and keep it together and goofy parts and crap insulation… buy home depot before you buy this junk.

  684. Reply
    admin April 23, 2020 at 5:34 pm

    They are just out of my top tier because of the insulation. parts are good shells could be thicker. I prefer getaway and then Dreammaker

  685. Reply
    admin April 23, 2020 at 5:28 pm

    solid well built well-insulated good parts mid-end performance.

  686. Reply
    admin April 23, 2020 at 5:27 pm

    Hi Orlando!

    I’m a Local boy (Grimsby, Beamsville, Stoney Creek, Toronto)

    Yeah, there are a few good choices around you. Coast spas from International Pool And Spa Centers Oakville, and there is Beachcomber and Artesian and one of the biggest sellers in canada

    hit this guy up

    Master spa Toronto
    Griffin Ryan
    griffryan@hotmail.com
    1 (416) 779-0563

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  687. Reply
    admin April 23, 2020 at 5:08 pm

    got ya 😉

  688. Reply
    admin April 23, 2020 at 5:07 pm

    Dreammaker is good the other one ??? no freeking idea 🙂

  689. Reply
    admin April 23, 2020 at 5:05 pm

    Nope, you got it.

    It is a self-supporting shell, there are no props or supports under the seats or the area between the floor and the outer wall, I don’t like to advise shimming its just bad practice. if its someone I know has the ability to analyze a load structure I would say just support the existing support structure but in a general open forum like this, it’s not advisable to say it’s ok to shim a tub 🙂

    Shim it right

  690. Reply
    admin April 23, 2020 at 4:59 pm

    Hye Jim

    Don’t worry man salts not the end of the world it’s just overhyped unless it’s the bromine system… make sure its chlorine, health Canda just banned bromine generators.

    You can still use Spa marvel with it just turn the generator down to its low setting tell them you want it to run around 1ppm

    Its got a good insulation package.

    The jetting is middle of the road it has 4 or 5 of the good high flow therapy jets but mostly the small low flows and unfortunately, the neck and shoulder jets are just 2 little low flows and the foot system is again a small flow system.

    The parts list is all proprietary which is a pain in the ass and will cost you a bit down the road and I’ve heard the further away you are from the factory in Mexico you can wait a while for parts unless you have a solid dealer who stocks a lot of parts.

    I would compare it to most of the mid-end tubs in the 7k range.

    Man don’t sweat it… Its not a nightmare brand You likely overpaid but the bones are good and hell you will be sipping a beer up to your neck in hot water 🙂 how bad can that be?

  691. Reply
    admin April 23, 2020 at 4:42 pm

    Not In the US

    In Canda, they sell Beachcomber which is good but it’s expensive… go figure… its what I always say mass merchants are never a good place to buys hot tub.. cheap crap. and the few times they have a good brand they are the same price as any retailer…

  692. Reply
    admin April 23, 2020 at 4:40 pm

    Hey Jason

    Wow that the third bend inquiry today!

    There is an artesian dealer but no coast dealer, however, there are 4 service companies so buying from out of the market can save a lot.

  693. Reply
    admin April 23, 2020 at 4:03 pm

    Thanks Mike!

    I assumed as much its almost impossible for the small regional manufacturers to compete, they just don’t do enough volume to be able to afford to build to a truly high standard and they have to sell cheap to compete… double death…

  694. Reply
    admin April 23, 2020 at 10:12 am

    less than 10 miles from you is a service guy I have used before with good results.

    PH Pool & Spa Service
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    So you should be ok either way especially with the SpaStar app which really does a great job of handling most of what you need a local dealer for.

    Both are very close from a build quality standpoint but the twilight has a lot more expensive jetting package. It will win the massage fight for sure especially with the four 3.5″ high flow neck and shoulder jets and those monster foot jets… man almost every jet in that tub are the large high flow jets while most fo the Coast jets are the small low flow.

    honestly, both are good buys and good prices, a lot is down to what you want in a hot tub, for a lot of people the jetting is not a big deal they just love the soak and a normal level of massage, for some it’s all about the pound to work out knots and stiffness…

    Check out PDC as well Precision Pool and Spa Fairport, NY 14450
    precisionpoolandspa.com

  695. Reply
    admin April 23, 2020 at 10:05 am

    Thaks dude!

  696. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 7:54 pm

    Hmmm. I’ll have to look into that yes the Artesian has a solid shell for sure.

  697. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 7:52 pm

    Yeah for sure it can!

    I would say the good side would be 10k ish

  698. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 7:51 pm

    Hi Dianne, I hit you up and will do some research and get some info for you.

  699. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 7:48 pm

    Hey Mike

    Too bad about the Coast dealer it’s a good tub sometimes timing is just bad sometimes the dealer just sucks…

    The Arctic is full of cheap Chinese proprietary parts and no clamps and no insulation… Great marketing though too bad you can’t swim in the brochure:-(

    Beachcomber is solid but stay away from the Hybrids its old outdated hippy science and the arseholes make a removable skirt which is about the dumbest thing I have ever seen a manufacturer cut a corner on… brutal…

    I met the Master dealer once seemed like nice guys sent them a few customers and not had anything bad back

  700. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 7:42 pm

    Hands down the Artesian… no question

  701. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 7:42 pm

    not really man… don’t get me wrong it’s as good or better than any onboard chem reduction system but the thing manufacturers everywhere do not want you to know is that the additives kick the shit out fo the onboard systems and are a fraction of the price…

    just buy this shit

  702. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 7:40 pm

    yep its as good as it gets on that tub, it’s a crazy nice spa 🙂

  703. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 7:39 pm

    Hey Clint

    locally only Artesian is worth looking at they are sold through LMR Pool And Spa LLC in Chapin, SC 29036 http://www.lmrpoolandspa.com

    but frankly if yer a handyman and with tow local service guys in the area buy wholesale.

    You should get the personal buyers service, I’ll get you solid pricing on Coast, master, PDC, etc you will save at least what I charge you and likely a lot more and have me as a backup if you have issues.

  704. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 7:34 pm

    We have bypassed them in the past with no issues. It would void your warranty and it needs to be done right to ensure adequate flow through the filter.

    if you ever do it hot me up ill send you plumbing diagrams we use.

  705. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 7:32 pm

    Hey Dan

    Thanks for the donation!

    Shimming is risky, and it depends on how far under the spa the gap goes. in other powers, if its a little drop running a foot under the spa then cutting foot long tapered shims are fine but you need to maintain an even support structure for any hot tub, it may or may not hurt the tub but the reality is even if it does not hurt the shell it can result in the tub top edge no being true which means your cover will not seal on the shell.

    We have had sites where we cut 3′ long tapered shims and put 30 of them down an edge and that’s fine but if you just shim the edge of the spa and do not address the gap behind then you are just asking everything to settle into that gap which obviously is not ideal…

    You are correct that with a good shell you really need a strong center but even the best shell will flex to fit the ground.

  706. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 7:13 pm

    top 3 are getaway, Dreamaker, and Nordic.

  707. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 7:12 pm

    Hey Teresa

    I know Tim 🙂 I met him when I did a tour of their place a couple of years back. They are good people.

    Most of what you need from a local dealer is the information… download the SpaStar app it will help for sure.

    You have nothing good around you so it’s a good choice

  708. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 7:09 pm

    They are both solid well-built spas. It’s always funny to me when someone says brand A is way better than brand B when they both use most of the same parts and manufacturing techniques 🙂

    They each have the goofy little things they will argue about (steel in the shell, or miracle chem reduction system, etc) but the reality is the fundamentals are what cost money to do and both these guys do the fundamentals right.

    On most of their lines, I would rate them the same the only exception is the neck jetting on the twilight and MPL’s they have 4 of the 3.5″ high flow jets and its one fo the few tubs that has a really solid neck and shoulder jet system.

    When you get to through the main things just look at jets… the small ones are low flow inexpensive jets, the middle size are higher flow more expensive and the bigger ones are high flow expensive… If you assign a rough retail price to jets say they are $10, $30 and $45… so the TS has about $500 higher spend on the jet package plus the big monsters in the floor say $250 retail for the package…

    Honestly, dude, you are out of the nightmare shit and dealing with two solid tubs either will be good buys.

  709. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 5:17 pm

    Hi Phil

    Funny enough I do tons of business there.

    The good is there are loads of independent service guys around Montreal so a lot of times its wholesalers.

    The only two brands I would consider locally are Coast from CK spas in Saint-Eustache and Beachcomber in Laval

  710. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 5:12 pm

    Low-end euro trash

    Goofy parts, thin shell with all this crazy framing to keep it together, low R-value insulation.

  711. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 5:11 pm

    That’s a healthy budget and you should be able to get a good new tub for that money for sure.

    There are two good choices and lot of junk around you 🙂

    Hit up these guys:

    Master Pool & Spa
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    +1 952-253-0665

    there is also an Artesian dealer called Family Leisure Minneapolis in Lakeville

  712. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 5:07 pm

    Hi Alyssa

    Its a resoanble but dangerous price 🙂

    There are for sure some good spas in that range but also a ton of junk!

    Focus on simple, personally, a roto mold shell will save you a lot, and then you can get good parts and insulation.

    For ease of use, it’s not about the tub so much as the chemical regimen and there is nothing lower chemical or easier to manage that The Spa Marvel get it here

    Look at the getaway hot tubs they sell them here:

    Paradise Spas & Outdoor Living
    Dave Mac and Jason Neslon
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    +1 512-614-4090

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    admin April 22, 2020 at 5:02 pm

    Hey man

    Yer getting the lighting anyway 🙂 They all have it lol

    have a look at the lines from these guys.

    Master-Paradise Spas & Outdoor Living
    Dave Mac and Jason Neslon
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  714. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 5:01 pm

    That’s a good price on that unit and I would not bother repairing the ozone just get the spa marvel treatment it makes all that stuff redundant anyway.

  715. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 4:59 pm

    Hi Dereck for sure I do tons int he Ottawa region and have good resources there, I will for sure make this worth your while.

  716. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 3:14 pm

    I would go to the Catalina or the Marquis before Hot Springs. but none of these are in my top group.

    check out PDC spas at Aqua Mechanics 251 W Lee Hwy Suite 681, Warrenton,

  717. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 3:10 pm

    Hi Chris

    All tubs with a lot of motors or big motors set the system to shut off the heater when the second pump is put on, also you can change this with a dip switch setting on most tubs. Im in Canada and never found this to be a big issue.

  718. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 3:09 pm

    Hi Rob

    Almost 70% of first time buyers buy loungers and around 80% of second-time buyers don’t

    personally I think they are not a great option, you float out of them and they take up a ton of space.

  719. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 3:08 pm

    Hi Angela

    They are both lower end spas but at $3k that is the reality. you can’t really get a well made reliable spa with good parts and good insulation below $4500 or so.

    I do not have much around you to offer any better choices

  720. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 3:04 pm

    In this market, there are loads of service people so I don’t think you have any issues especially if you are running the spastar app.

    Both tubs are very well made and have good parts and insulation but the twilight has a better neck and shoulder jet package. honestly, they should be the same price.

  721. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 3:01 pm

    Price is really good and its a well-made spa but I don’t know the dealer.

  722. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 3:00 pm

    Hi Ed

    They are both solid well-made spas and built very similarly.

    They have very similar performance expect the Island has better foot and neck jets.

    I’m not a big fan of circ pumps the hi-flow circulation system offers a lot of advantages.

    Honestly I feel these are both good choices so go with the service guy 😉

  723. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 2:24 pm

    Hey Dude

    Its a solid product but any dealer further than like 50 miles is not a local dealer anymore…

    Luckily I have a good service guy about 8 miles from you 🙂

    So as long as you stay with a good reputable brand with easily sourced OEM parts and run our SpaStar app you should be fine.

    Honestly, you are a prime candidate for my private buyer’s service, I’ll save you way more than the cost of the service and we can cross-shop 4 or 5 good brands and save a ton through wholesalers…

  724. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 2:18 pm

    yeah sure could, remember to add chlorine if yer not using it once in a while.

  725. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 2:18 pm

    Hi Orlando.

    The claims of higher efficiency on the Bull Frog are sales patter with little or no science behind it, the shell is a lesser quality ABS plastic that requires pedestal supporting, and the parts while ate least OEM are not my top group.

    Hydropool is in the bottom of those three for sure, they are owned by an American equity investment firm and the best thing I can say about the group is they are really good at expensive branding, marketing, and advertising and wrapping middle of the road products up as the high end…

    Beachcomber is the best The hand roll self-supporting shells, they use top insulation, top parts and clamp the plumbing, but they are overpriced by a lot and having a nonremovable skirt is just a total screw up they save a couple hundred in the build but yer screwed when you get a leak… the tub needs to be returned for repair 🙂 I’ve seen people with $1500 bills for warranty leak repairs because it doesn’t cover the cost of removal transportation and re-installation… also stay away from the Hybrid option… dumb outdated tech…

  726. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 2:09 pm

    These guys re good I met the owner a few times, seem like solid reliable peeps

    Swimming Pool Supply Co
    bill@spspools-spas.com
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  727. Reply
    admin April 22, 2020 at 2:08 pm

    Hi, Will, I am not really up on them but it appears from the video to be a mixed bag, cradle supported shell, and parts are not my top tier but better then a crappy proprietary shit yer getting on the big marketing brands. they clamp the plumbing lines and they use a good insulation system.

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    admin April 21, 2020 at 5:05 pm

    I had a great chat with the owner ain vegas, they didn’t make my list primarily because of the shell, its a lower end plastic shell, its durable enough but its a lot less expensive to make and its really flexible which has led to a lot of problems with leaks from shell to jet fittings, good parts, but no clamps on the plumbing and not great insualtion

  729. Reply
    admin April 20, 2020 at 8:44 pm

    hey Kieth

    Yer right there mate, most of the manufacturers are definitely not what they were 🙁

    Jacuzzi and Sundance are both owned by the same equity investment firm… They are super good at marketing and branding and advertising and build a middle of the road tub that is full of proprietary parts 🙁

    Of the two the jacuzzi definitely has the better jetting package but neither are going to be really high-end massage spas, most of the jets are the low flow inexpensive 1.5″ jets and there is really no serious neck or shoulder jetting nor any really good foot jetting.

    Both are punching way above their weight… pricing should be in the $8k range but they come with a big price tag to cover the cost of all the fancy marketing that made you think its great a spa. I get it… even with what I know of this industry I even get enchanted by the marketing 🙂

    I like any brand that does at least the 4 main things… make a good shell, use readily available competitively priced good reliable OEM parts, clamp yer plumbing lines and use some high R-value expensive insulation. and for god, sakes stay away from proprietary parts!!! Master, Artesian, PDC, Coast, even Beachcomber are all better by a long shot.

    the 8.2 has all of the stuff I like plus it has really good jetting, look at the picture! it has way more fo the expensive high flow therapy jets and where the other two have 2 of the little low flow jets for the neck and shoulder the TS has 4 of the 3.5″ high flows… major improvement and the foot jets is a whole system with a diverter so you can put a whole pump to the two 10″ monsters… its not even in the same class they spent way more on the build and the parts.

    Typically 10k+- is the number I see give or take a bit but yer area is a bit higher so maybe 10,500 even 11…

  730. Reply
    admin April 20, 2020 at 10:32 am

    someone will get in touch and check the error thanks!

  731. Reply
    admin April 20, 2020 at 10:31 am

    They use a 1/2″ open cell foam on the shell and then a 3/4″ foam with mylar on the skirt, I’m not a fan of these systems, they are inexpensive and low r value and reflective foils are not good at retaining heat in a system, they have no thermal mass and when installed vertically create a lot of convection.

    Good electronic and heating systems mid grade jetting.

    The shell is not a hand rolled fiberglass shell its an ABS backed acrylic, these were big 20 years ago and had a lot of issues the good guys all went back to hand laying glass…

    glued and clamped plumbing

  732. Reply
    admin April 20, 2020 at 10:17 am

    Hey Zack

    Most of the brands do a good job of sealing the unit but mice are a bitch they get in anything eventually. the rule I use is steel wool with a little blast of spray foam to keep it in place, rodents will not go through steel wool it gets in their teeth and they hate it… if you have bad rodent issues go around and do all the little gaps if you find any.

    Not fan of Hot Springs in general, really top-notch marketing, branding and advertising wrapping up mid-grade overpriced spas with loads of proprietary parts. The Model you mention is fairly low end on the performance scale, most of the jets are the inexpensive low flow little jets with only 4 of the large expensive hi floe therapy massage jets. Tubs like this with better parts and build quality can be had in the $5-$6 k range what kind of price were they asking?

    The best local brands would be artesian sold at Spas Direct in Pataskala,

    and the master dealer
    Rainbow Pool & Spa Superstore
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    admin April 20, 2020 at 6:38 am

    Jacuzzi is like Hot Springs, they have seriously top-shelf branding and marketing and advertising the tub is middle of the road and way overpriced in a large part to pay for the crazy marketing that tricked you into thinking its a top-end product, When you have really well-maintained marketing and advertising and branding you either have to charge way more than the product is worth or cut corners or both! One of the biggest thing with these big corporate brands is the proprietary parts

    Bullfrog is similar, loads of crazy talk and marketing but again a much less expensive and weaker shell made of ABS plastic and although they used more readily available parts its not the top parts list. all three of these brands’ performance from a massage standpoint is upper middle it best, with low flow neck and shoulder jetting and no real foot-massage systems.

    Coast is a much better option than these others.

  734. Reply
    admin April 19, 2020 at 4:44 pm

    James we are going to have some national level stuff coming down the pipe soon.

    Its taking a long time because I refuse to dump spas into the market without good support networks.

    We Teamed up with SpaStar its a great app that takes over what you need from a dealer and we are just finalizing a deal for national chemical and filter distribution the SpaStar app already helps with all the regular dealer stuff like water issues and chemical advice, and troubleshooting and now will have an online store for supplies. We have also built a network of over 800 independent service guys to take care of customers and we will have solid reliable brands available nationwide in the coming months…

    We plan on inviting the brands we know are building good products be a part of this and removing a lot fo the costs associated with getting good hot tubs into customers back yards…

    I hate how slow the world turns sometimes but egos, and protectionism, and greed make it all a tricky field to navigate. Fortunately, we have the power of the people on our side we see almost 85% of everyone who buys a hot tub in North America come an average of 4.2 times to us for advice and information and that makes it impossible for manufacturers to ignore us.

    You will see nothing within 30 days come hell or high water…

  735. Reply
    admin April 19, 2020 at 4:34 pm

    yeah its a good ion system and works really well with spa marvel, I use a similar system called Eco Pure I swear by that combo

    get the spa marvel here it helps me and I guarantee it and I’ll help you… well I’ll help you anyway but still 🙂

    Spa Marvel

  736. Reply
    admin April 19, 2020 at 4:21 pm

    fur shizzz me nizzz ill email ya

  737. Reply
    admin April 19, 2020 at 4:21 pm

    Its a well built spa but a tad high I would think you could get 250-400 off

  738. Reply
    admin April 19, 2020 at 4:19 pm

    shit tough one… throw it away get a couple of sheets of 2″ thick insulation cut them to size and bungee them on?

    like this shit from home depot… https://www.homedepot.com/p/Owens-Corning-FOAMULAR-250-2-in-x-48-in-x-8-ft-R-10-Scored-Squared-Edge-Insulation-Sheathing-52DD/202085962

  739. Reply
    admin April 19, 2020 at 3:41 pm

    Its part of the American Whirlpool group that builds AW, Maxx, Vita, and a few more.

    They are mass merchant quality with higher prices and better marketing.

    Cradle supported shells, no clamps on the plumbing, crap low R-Value insulation

  740. Reply
    admin April 19, 2020 at 3:41 pm

    Its part of the American Whirlpool group that builds AW, Maxx, Vita, and a few more.

    They are mass merchant quality with higher prices and better marketing.

    Cradle supported shells, no clamps on the plumbing, crap low R-Value insualtion

  741. Reply
    admin April 19, 2020 at 3:40 pm

    Hi Mike

    there are no really good brands around you there is a guy south of you that sells a pile of spas int he area and there are 12 service centers in the area hit these guys up.

    South East Spas
    Have met these people several times and they are good solid reliable people,
    Steve’s email is sharp@southeast.com
    Steve is more involved in the retail stores.
    Owners Philip Giles and Larry Giles ( they focus more on the shows on the rd.)
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  742. Reply
    admin April 19, 2020 at 3:36 pm
  743. Reply
    admin April 19, 2020 at 3:35 pm

    For sure the Artesian dude.

  744. Reply
    admin April 19, 2020 at 3:34 pm

    Hey Daniel

    Nordic and artesian are good brands but the Artesian is both better built and better insulated and it has a lot more expensive shell. Don’t get me wrong the Nordic roto mold plastic shell is durable and reliable but they are a lot less expensive to build… the Nordic should be close to a grand less.

    Cal is middle of the road and comes close tot he Nordic if you order it with the Balboa system and the full foam package.

  745. Reply
    admin April 19, 2020 at 3:31 pm

    Hi

    I don’t sorry 🙁 I think they are just a small regional player.

    I’ve never seen a small guy like this building great spas but if you tour the factory, find out how they make the shells, how they insulate, whether they clamp the plumbing lines and what insulation they use and report back for us!

  746. Reply
    admin April 18, 2020 at 3:46 pm

    so its well build and well-insulated if its like what they build now but Im not sure about 2014…. the control and heating system you just throw away and put a whole new one in I can get the for you around $600-800

    but if they pumps and cover are not in good shape you could be in for another $1500 or so… so hard to say on used units without someone that knows spas to have a boo…

    I have no resources around you 🙁

  747. Reply
    admin April 18, 2020 at 3:43 pm

    Hi Amy

    The nordic is way better than they Lifesmart and if you fill in your zip I can tell you where to find getaway hot tubs and Dreamakers which are even a bit better and similar prices…

    try these guys

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  748. Reply
    admin April 18, 2020 at 3:40 pm

    Hi Claudia!

    Sorry for the delay 🙁 Im so damn busy now, I swear its like 8 hours a day to answer everyone! luckily I have no life at all right now so here goes 🙂

    Hot Springs does one thing supper well.. they are the best marketing and advertising and 90’s style branding guys pout there but the reality is they tub is vastly overpriced and middle fo the road from both a performance and a build quality standard.

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee on the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Get my private buyers service, I have loads of independents and wholesalers and service guys around you and with SpaStar you do not need a local dealer.

  749. Reply
    admin April 18, 2020 at 3:31 pm

    Hey Greg!

    Are you my buddy Greg I used to drink beers with by the train tracks??? Likely not 🙁 ahh the good old days, when you could go outside…

    BTW what the hell is with

    northwest of Chicago by about 45 minutes.

    is that at rush hour? middle fo the night? as the crow flies???? how about a zip code man!!!

    Damn… now I have to do an Ip address search to help you, man… Common… Give me some low hanging fruit will ya 🙂

    Alright, Im back…

    So It looks like you bounced through a Comcast server in Barrington 🙂 yer first sons name is ***** and you fancy the lady four doors down but are afraid of….

    Ok so all two pump tubs (unless they have little wee tiny motors) shut the heater off when the second pump goes on but usually, you can override it with no real downside:-0

    The jetting on the TS changed but not so much flow rate as tech and its a good thing… Waterways were the top but the times they are a-changing and not because some arsehat paid me to say that but just because the guys at CMP came up with two things I like… The first is a compression fit housing… It is way more reliable because as long as you build a good shell, like all my recommended brands do, there is nothing to fail!!! And they went away from ball bearing jets… Now I have to admit that back in the day I was leery of these spindle jets but in the hydrodynamic world of a hot tub they have proven to work better…

    Ok, so where is my money bitch!!! 🙂

    JK happy hot tubbing 🙂

  750. Reply
    admin April 18, 2020 at 3:16 pm

    Hi Ken

    Not sure because right now pricing is locale-specific… some markets bear more than others 🙂 although we are nearing a point of price harmony and soon we will see national pricing harmonize, the reality is it simply costs more to do business in some markets… big multiregional chains can offset this by tweaking pricing because they receive money from all markets so they simply charge the average but in this industry where it is currently dominated by small regional players costs will vary…

    In general, I feel 10k is a solid number for most markets and a good price for MA CT

    Bullfrog is middle of the road, a lot of fancy shite but when we get to the brass tacks its a less expensive plastic shell that is pedestal supported and the heating and control system is in my tier 2 ranking… It also really lacks in neck/shoulder jetting using only 1.5″ low flows and has little or no foot jetting whereas the TS is a rocket…

  751. Reply
    admin April 18, 2020 at 1:11 pm

    They all suck, water is a great shield for signals… almost all the problems stem from signal issues.

  752. Reply
    admin April 18, 2020 at 12:51 pm

    I’m not really up on the prices there but in general its a solid price.

  753. Reply
    admin April 18, 2020 at 12:48 pm

    I would def use spa marvel, not only will it reduce the scheme and keep the water better it will increase your guarantee on the jets to lifetime and really help stabilize the water levels and make it easier to manage:

  754. Reply
    admin April 16, 2020 at 1:34 pm

    Hi Chester

    nothing wrong with that combo, honestly I don’t recommend buying any of the chemical reduction systems from the manufacturers, don’t get me wrong the Master our is as good or better than anything but the AF or Spa Marvekl does such a good job that its highly debatable whether its worth buying the upgrade,

  755. Reply
    admin April 16, 2020 at 1:32 pm

    Hi Aaron

    So in the really-real world that is not dominated by bullshit marketing, there is no way on gods green earth that that tub is worth anywhere near $14k 🙂

    Honestly even $6995 is over the top for a tub full of proprietary parts with a middle fo the road jetting package, no real neck jet system and no real foot jet system 🙂

    There are much better spas at lower prices locally to you. what yer zip code?

  756. Reply
    admin April 16, 2020 at 1:15 pm

    Hi greg

    its a decent buy for the money. the heating and control system is a gecko so at least its not the regular proprietary crap they use.

    As usual, the MSRP is a joke… That tub is worth around $3995 regular price for them to list and MSRP of $7995 and pretend you are saving 4k just gives you insight into how much you can belive anything they say 🙂

    You can get loads of spas with this level of jetting and as good or better parts for the same money.

    Forget reviews even Forbes says that up to 80% of all reviews are fake… reviews mean nothing.

  757. Reply
    admin April 16, 2020 at 1:07 pm

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  758. Reply
    admin April 16, 2020 at 1:05 pm

    Hi David

    Surprisingly this is a crazy busy time and stocks are running out because everyone wants a hot tub because they are stuck home, bored and restless.

    I would expect the TS to come in around $13k and the LSX around $16-$17k

    See this guy Master Spa Toronto
    Griffin Ryan
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    1 (416) 779-0563

  759. Reply
    admin April 16, 2020 at 11:33 am

    Its a nice modern shell design, I love the space! the price for Florida is good.

  760. Reply
    admin April 16, 2020 at 11:32 am

    Build quality wise they are all good spas with good parts and good insulation.

    I don’t like the old school foot domes int he artesian.. they were all the rage in the ’90s and they were a bloody tripping Hazzard, I hated the one I had plus those shitty little 1.5″ jets won’t do anything for tough old dogs like your feet…

    Clarity has great space and is a modern shell layout reflecting the wants of most second-time buyers… space…

    twilight is the next level from a massage standpoint.

    All those prices are sup[er good, what area are you in?

  761. Reply
    admin April 16, 2020 at 11:28 am

    I think its important to recognize that most of the brands that are at the very top price point are there not because of quality of build or performance but because of massive amounts of cash posed away, branding and advertising.

    Its also important to recognize that cheap spas are cheap not because they are factory direct or high volume, but because they are cheaply built.

    Finally that the sweet spot in any product is the upper-middle… companies that build good sustainable products but don’t blow their brains out on the branding, marketing, advertising bullshit…

    I always say when buying the fancy bullshit brands cut them 2 cheques… one for 60% to cover what the product is really worth and one for 40% to cover the cost of the bullshit that fooled you into paying 40% more than it was really worth 🙂

  762. Reply
    admin April 16, 2020 at 11:23 am

    most tubs are pretty easy to shut down for the season. really all you need is to drain it, then use a shop vac and suck any water out fo the jets and filter, etc, add antifreeze, prop the cover open a bit for airflow so you don’t get mildew and put a tarp on it… some people take the motors and controls system out and pout it in the house which is definitely a good idea but not necessary.

  763. Reply
    admin April 16, 2020 at 11:21 am

    Thats a solid price for the region

  764. Reply
    admin April 16, 2020 at 11:17 am

    Its a mixed bag, It does meet my criteria for my top group in so much as the shell, insulation, parts and build quality is solid but there are a few things I’m not thrilled with.

    1st the Hybrid option is dumb ass outdated tech… three big drawbacks… first you lose the heat from the pumps… crazy a tub with pumps inside can maintain 80+ degrees just off the waste heat from the motors.
    2nd we talk about how important it is to have all this insulation than in this system, we pump all the hot water outside of the insulation envelope into a low R-value environment… Big heat loss
    3rd In a power outage your equipment is at serious risk of freeze-up
    4th and this is a big one… Its like the only spa I have ever seen that does not have a removable skirt… crazy… if you get a leak it turns it from a $200-$300 repairs to thousands literally including usually having to remove the spa because you can’t open it to get at it… This is a serious cut corner done to save money on production but a big headache for the owner.

    Where do you live?

  765. Reply
    admin April 16, 2020 at 11:07 am

    Hi Mathew

    That’s a good price for the region.

  766. Reply
    admin April 16, 2020 at 10:34 am

    I think that silver zinc or copper Ion are a good additive to an enzyme system, I find I get a sparkle to the water and definitely cuts the amount of shock I need to use.

  767. Reply
    admin April 16, 2020 at 10:31 am

    Hey Mike

    I can help you for sure, there are very few resources around you so I would normally decline except you say you are a DIY guy.

    So if you are able to do basic troubleshooting, use a voltmeter, and are comfortable with the basic tools I can for sure save you money and get you a solid deal, we can use wholesalers and that cuts a lot of the retail prices…

    Looks like we can go through master, artesian, Coast all direct… definitely worth the private buyer’s service I will save you a lot more than I will charge you.

  768. Reply
    admin April 16, 2020 at 8:42 am

    Hi Evan

    Those prices are solid I don’t know that I could bring much value to the table here.

  769. Reply
    admin April 16, 2020 at 8:41 am

    Its big roomy tub and Artesians are well built reliable units with good parts and insulation systems. Performance-wise they are pretty good but they only have 6 of the large expensive hi flow therapy massage jets and most fo the rest are the little 1.5″ low flow jets 🙁 and they lose it with the neck and shoulder jetting those little 1.5″ low flow jets won’t do much for neck and shoulders.

    other comparable spas built well would be:

    The Coast Mirage Curve

    The Master MP LSX 900

    You should get my private buyers service, on a purchase like this I will for sure save you mare than my fee no matter which one you go with.

    .

  770. Reply
    admin April 15, 2020 at 4:57 pm

    I do a lot in the Ottawa area and I have 3 local service companies there.

    Get on my private buyer’s service in this market I will definitely save you more than my fee regardless of what you want to buy.

  771. Reply
    admin April 15, 2020 at 4:50 pm

    that sounds right so if he says none of them were needed you know that they will be needed in the next couple years… so just factor in the grand or so spend over the next two years for the stuff you know you will very likely need to replace…

  772. Reply
    admin April 15, 2020 at 4:48 pm

    I’m not sure man we did one off-grid but we ripped the guts out, put in a little 12-volt low flow circ pump for filtration and run it through solar hot water system with a propane heater backup or even a 50-gallon drum with the copper pipe wrapped around it and a wood fire in it.

  773. Reply
    admin April 15, 2020 at 4:43 pm

    Hi Brandon Im clear now I’m sorry been swamped and everything is taking so long right now

  774. Reply
    admin April 15, 2020 at 4:11 pm

    Hey Brandon, its a tall order and a dangerous price for that sized tub, most tubs in this price and range are gonna be crap.

    I have loads of contacts in that area and do 3 or 4 personal buyers services in the area every month. well worth your time I will save you more than the fee for sure.

  775. Reply
    admin April 15, 2020 at 4:06 pm

    Hey, Gary both of those tubs have the same main therapy seat and neck jet system there are a few advantages to the LSX but the TS is already a phenomenal [performance spa.

  776. Reply
    admin April 15, 2020 at 4:04 pm

    It’s a low-end cradle supported shell, low R-value insulation low-end mini jets, and low-end plumbing systems. I especially love the heat flow technology friction manifold 🙂 lol anyone with any understanding of energy transfer would laugh their asses off at the Hack pseudoscience… Immersion heaters like on hot tubs are one of the most efficient heaters out there, they are near to 100% efficient. This hack science takes electrical energy and converts it to mechanical energy in a motor losing a lot of fo energy because it’s not very efficient, it then transfers this mechanical energy to a water pump again losing energy then converts the water back to mechanical energy to make the parts in the manifold move which in turn converts that motion to heat 🙂 all of these transfers mean big losses in efficiency and to claim that its free energy is bat shit crazy…. if you are using the water pressure to make heat you need more water pressure for the jets… Man, I hate stupid and this pitch takes the cake for stupid when I see this kind of blatant misleading bullshit it calls everything they stand for into question.

  777. Reply
    admin April 15, 2020 at 3:20 pm

    Dynasty I would not have anywhere near my top choices

    The Coast and the TS are both great spas from a build standpoint, the TS has a lot more fo the expensive large hi-flow therapy jets and performance-wise it going to beat the Apex especially the neck and shoulder jetting, the Apex has 2 of the crappy little 1.5″ jets and the TS has four of the 3.5″ high flow therapy jets, similarly, the foot jets on the TS kick the hell out of the Apex

  778. Reply
    admin April 15, 2020 at 3:17 pm

    Not a hell of a lot of real difference, the jetting is a little better on the Tropic but nothing substantial.

  779. Reply
    admin April 15, 2020 at 3:15 pm

    Where in northern NY its a big state 🙂

  780. Reply
    admin April 15, 2020 at 2:03 pm

    Hey Anita

    hit these guys up and expect around a grand for electrical.

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  781. Reply
    admin April 15, 2020 at 12:58 pm

    atalina is pretty run of the mill and should come in mid-price point. The cradel supported shell is a concern, I really want a hand-rolled self-supporting shell, its a big difference on a critical part of your ho ttub purchase

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T9DY6am_E0&w=560&h=315%5D

    I’m also not a fan of gecko control and heating systems, my experience with them has not been great, they make the pack very hard to service and I’ve found the reliability to be meh.

  782. Reply
    admin April 15, 2020 at 12:55 pm

    same as any low-end mass merchants tub you would get at Walmart, home depot etc…

    check out getaway hot tubs they will be a bit more but solid well built with good parts.,

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  783. Reply
    admin April 15, 2020 at 11:20 am

    U@ man happy hot tubbing…

  784. Reply
    admin April 15, 2020 at 11:19 am

    I recommend going over all the seams and all the edges, the edges are where the vinyl chafes against the liner and wears holes in it…

  785. Reply
    admin April 14, 2020 at 11:58 am

    Hi Melissa

    I don’t really like them. they are made in Mexico and owned by a big equity investment group they are fantastic at super expensive 90’s style marketing and branding and advertising designed to convince people that a hot tub that really is worth around $12k is somehow supposed to be worth $16k… They have a good well-built shell but its full of proprietary parts which is great for them making money but crap for the hot tub owner who is stuck with limited options on goofy parts that you can only get from them at whatever price they dictate.. the reality is you really want to stay with a brand using readily available competitively priced good quality OEM parts…

    Performance-wise again its middle of the road. Look at the jetting, there are only 6 of the expensive large hi-flow therapy jets then there are a stack of the 3.5″ mid flows and mostly el-cheapo little low flow jets. the damn foot dome is a tripping hazard and again very little massage value because again instead of a couple of really high flow 10″ jets its got those cheap little 1.5″ low flow jets and they will not do shit for tough old bits like feet… neck jets again are the little low flows so no real neck and shoulder system.

    I don’t mean to be funny but at $16k this should be full of the top jets, have a good foot jet system, better parts and solid neck and shoulder seat.

    You should hire me under my private buyer’s service it will be the best $250 you ever spend, even if you go with this unit I will save you money way more than the $250 fee…

  786. Reply
    admin April 14, 2020 at 11:40 am

    yeah good used tubs are fine, that should be a good spa but the price is high try and get into the 3k rangebut if its had 2 pumps and a cover 3500 ish…

  787. Reply
    admin April 13, 2020 at 3:01 pm

    Both are built the same, insulated the same and use the same parts.

    The Clarity is a newer design and a lot better usage of space, the footwell is great and this tips it over the edge for me.

  788. Reply
    admin April 13, 2020 at 2:59 pm

    So there is likely no factory warranty so the warranty is only as reliable as the retailer… so be diligent is checking them out.

    in general 2016 and 2017 models are going to need a main pump, heater and cover so count on a grand in the next 2 years assuming they have not already rebuilt or replaced these parts

  789. Reply
    admin April 13, 2020 at 2:57 pm

    Hi Lisa

    Dimension was bought out by an equity investment company that is fantastic at slick expensive 90’s style marketing, advertising, and branding but really build a mid-level spa with loads of proprietary parts, I am not a fan at all.

    Bullfrog is better it has better OEM parts but they went to a second-tier heating and control system and they use a cheaper plastic shell that needs pedestal supporting.

    Clarity has a better parts list that either, hand-rolled self-supporting shell, glued and clamped plumbing lines and top insulation…

  790. Reply
    admin April 13, 2020 at 2:54 pm

    Some areas its a shit show and you definitely need a local dealer but with apps like SpaStar that help with water chemistry, troubleshooting and even request service and the in an area like your where I have 4 independent service companies within 5 miles of your house you are fine…

  791. Reply
    admin April 13, 2020 at 1:17 pm

    Hi Sara

    Most of the weight issue is going to be the water… a tub might weight around 300-500 lbs the water will weigh 3000 lbs. that being said shaving about here and there will help.

    The rotational mold spas are going to be a lot lighter than the acrylic ones so maybe something like getaway hot tubs or nordic spas or dream maker would be good options.

    Try these guys.

    Master Spas of Southern WI
    2242 W Bluemound Road Suite A, Waukesha, WI, 53186
    Phone 414-607-8827
    Fax :414-607-8826
    Email kwhueff@gmail.com<