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  1. Reply
    admin September 19, 2019 at 11:22 am

    Hey Jeff

    The 67.25 is pretty close to the same price as the seven-foot spas. when you think about it its the same basic equipment and just a little less wood and insulation. usually smaller spas have lower performance and cheaper jetting etc but that is a super high-end performance small tub.

    In general, I like the Twilights, they are one of the best performance spas out there and like all Masters, they build them well. Pricing is pretty standard throughout the year, even event sales and such really do not offer much in the way of price reductions it’s more a psychological tool to create urgency by making the customer believe that if they don’t act now they will lose something of value. the reality is the price you can afford to sell at is the price…

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    admin February 26, 2019 at 1:08 pm

    Hi Michelle

    For sure the Hollywood.

    I had a Vector and tore it apart and was not impressed. plus all the goofy parts are gonna be a nightmare to replace I found the jets to be flimsy the face plate is thin and it supports the spindle, I think they are not going to last and replacements will be a lot more than regular jets. plus I found it very gimmicky… all the extra diverters serve no real purpose and make it a complicated mess.

    Overall I was displeased with the quality control from the Marquis factory, they have reached out and assured us it is not the norm but so far have failed to do anything to prove the point, until they step up and get me in for a factory inspection, and or send me another tub to inspect or something concrete I’m really not willing to endorse the line. See the review here:

    go see these guys and compare the build on the Twilight the pricing should be similar and the build is better and the performance too.

    Bluewater Pools & Spas
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    2541 Dougall Ave, Windsor, ON N8X 1T5
    bluewaterpools.ca
    +1 519-969-8561

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    admin February 6, 2019 at 1:40 pm

    Hi Than

    I have the cost price for almost every brand but they always come with nondisclosure agreements and I could get sued for disclosing the information.

    Dealers buy at a price based on their volume and how they pay and the landed cost can vary wildly depending on those factors and proximity to the factory.

    Shipping less than Truckload (LTL) can add a grand a tub… shipping full truckloads can get down to a couple hundred, paying before delivery can save 5% paying by transfer over credit card can save another 5% and using a floor finance package can add another 5-10% There are a lot of variables…

    The truth is like any competitive industry everyone is trying to make enough margin to stay viable and get a decent income but not a lot of retailers are getting rich.

    Yes for sure you can get a better deal by paying cash but save that card till the end. a dealer saves 3-5% by not having to pay credit card processing fees so if you get a price for paying with a card hammer them for the 5% for cash… also go right now in the slow season!

  4. Reply
    admin August 14, 2017 at 4:46 pm

    Sorry Eric,

    This site is getting away from me, it used to be my personal rant space but now it’s something entirely different 🙂

    I need staff to help but I haven’t figured out how to monetize it and not loose the authentic real approach! if I sell my soul for the money (offers every week into the lower mid six digit frame) then the site is nothing but another discussion forum or other bullshit site, sometimes I just need a day or two off 🙂

    Hydropool and arctic I don’t really like for the similar reasons. They both do a few thing good and a bunch of stuff cheaply and spend a scad on the spin marketing, branding and BS. like Hrdropool has a good parts list but insulation and old school filtration systems and floor suctions, reflective insulation systems??? inexpensive solutions that are not good tech.

    Arctic is even worse, the cheapest parts you can buy, one of the cheapest insulation systems out there, no clamps on the plumbing lines and loads and loads of spin pitches and brand marketing.

    let me see what you have out there.

  5. Reply
    admin July 4, 2017 at 10:12 pm

    The Hybrid is a trademark gimmick that has the pumps outside the spa and is bad tech…

    what you are refering to is actually a better definition of “Hybrid” but usually called full foam with the pumps under the spa which is the best.

    The heat reclamation is pretty straight forward.

    The Venturis present on every spa and the ozone system always draw in air and inject that into the water so if the intakes are in the motor area the heat from the pumps gets injected directly into the water. it’s funny because the guys selling the cheap Perimeter insulation systems never talk about this because it really destroys their whole pitch… On one hand they claim that all the “trapped heat” is helping but they ignore the fact that the air is always being circulated when the pump is running which by the laws of physics means it is pumped out of the perimieter and into the tub and then out under the cover. Meanwhile, the outside cold air has to be drawn in to replace the cavity air… it’s why the whole pitch about the air space being an insulator is so non-science… in a thermopane window the intentionally remove the air and or fill it space with nothing or a captive agent with a high R value and then it is sealed so the air can not move… once the air can move beteen the zones it becomes a mover of heat, not an insulator….

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    admin January 18, 2017 at 9:57 pm

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    admin October 26, 2016 at 3:50 pm

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    admin October 21, 2016 at 2:49 am

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    admin October 21, 2016 at 1:52 am

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  10. Reply
    admin September 8, 2016 at 1:28 pm

    Hi

    I am not aware of the brand Dr. Wellness.

    Ask the questions…

    Are the joints glued and clamped?
    What brand name are the jets, pumps and electronic controls? (you want ideally Balboa and waterways and you want threaded jets)
    Is the shell supported underneath by props and supports? (if there are props and supports it usually indicated a thin shell although they will pitch it as a bonus)

  11. Reply
    admin November 17, 2020 at 1:50 pm

    Hi Joe

    according to Dunn and Bradstreet “VORTEX LEISURE PTY LTD is located in SMEATON GRANGE, NEW SOUTH WALES, Australia and is part of the Management of Companies & Enterprises Industry. VORTEX LEISURE PTY LTD has 4 total employees across all of its locations and generates $1.03 million in sales (USD). There are 5 companies in the VORTEX LEISURE PTY LTD corporate family.”

    basically, they get spas and swimmers built and then rebrand them under several different brand names, they are not a manufacturer

    According to
    spawolrd.co.nz

    “Vortex® Spas Reviewed
    Vortex® Spas has been sold in Australia for a little over 10 years and in New Zealand since 2011. Vortex® Spas are owned by the same company which own Spa World™ and are the largest selling spa brand in Australasia.

    Vortex®, like Galaxy® and Alpine™ (and many other brands), are made in China. One differentiating factor however is that rather than buying from a third party manufacturer, there is cross-ownership between the manufacturer and the importer/retailer – being Spa World™”

    basically, it’s a fake manufacturer… they buy Cheap Chinese spas and rebrand them under a flashy high-end marketing campaign to hide the fact that you could buy very similar (if not the same) low-end stuff right from china on Ali baba

  12. Reply
    admin November 4, 2020 at 3:35 pm

    I’m a Grimsby boy 🙂

    they are dead middle fo the road, pretty much like all the spas, cradle supported shell mix of parts and low r-value insulation

  13. Reply
    admin November 4, 2020 at 3:28 pm

    It’s a closed cell on the shell and and open cell on the plumbing, but they cant produce anything for 2021 delivery…

  14. Reply
    admin November 3, 2020 at 3:32 pm

    We have not found any that are great, lots of false readings, or clumsy and bulky, plus they just test… man its 2 seconds with a dip strip to get this info until someone comes up with an integrated test dose system they are worth nothing…

  15. Reply
    admin October 14, 2020 at 10:05 am

    Hi Mark

    The AW and Vita are the same company, low-end cradle supported shells, low r-value inexpensive insulation, no clamps on the plumbing… Home depot sells tubs just like it at lower prices. Those prices are a joke honestly the tubs are worth right around $9k

    Bullfrog is a better option for sure and falls into the middle of the road with some minor issues like the shell which is a lower end cradle supported shell and the parts while at least being OEM and relatively easy to source are not top of the line and the pricing again is out of wack for the build quality, they are priced like super high-end spas and don’t really meet the build quality I would expect for a top-end spa.

    The master dealer out of Phoenix is a good group we use them a lot and have not had service issues even on deals in las vegas and further afield.

    The other brand i would look at is Artesian out of Phoenix through Spa world.

  16. Reply
    admin October 13, 2020 at 9:06 am

    As good as any and better than most, on any cover if you really want to extend the life do this:

    1. Unzip the skin and remove the cores
    2. Take Tuck tape (the stuff they use for vapor barriers on houses) and go over any seams, and all edges and corners.
    3. Put the cores back in and zip em closed.

    What kills covers is water ingress, typically the weak spots are the seams and the edges where the vinyl skin chafes and wears holes in the plastic vapor barrier.

  17. Reply
    admin October 9, 2020 at 9:53 am

    Hi David

    We always recover at least the cost fo the service or we refund it to a basic consultation fee which is very rare.

    Even in these times, we are effective, the reality is the market is showing signs of cooling.

  18. Reply
    admin October 9, 2020 at 9:51 am

    The insert is an ion cartridge similar to nature 2 and several other ion systems, they kill bacteria on contact. its a good system and relatively cheap and will def make a difference on how much chemicals you use.

    Although in my opinion, the Spa Marvel add-in is a better tech…

    The problem with hot tub water has never been organics, chlorine is super effective even at low concentrations at killing organics and the only thing any of the onboard systems do is treat organics 🙂

    The problem with hot tub water is the inorganics like oils, lotions, and sunscreens. They are the real problem because chlorine and the onboard systems suck at dealing with inorganics.

    The thing no manufacturer wants the public to know is that the best thing to come down the pipe in the last 5 years works on any hot tub and is cheap as chips 🙂

    There is an enzyme unlike any other we have found its called Spa Marvel, and not only is it highly effective at dealing with inorganics leaving the chlorine-free to do its job in very small amounts. the added benefit is it stabilizes pH which makes the water much easier to manage and it is super good for the plastic so much so that Spa Marvel warranties the jets for life if you use the product from new as directed… and it’s $55 every 3 months with nothing that can break 😉

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    admin October 8, 2020 at 8:58 am

    Hi Jim, Scott is looking into it and will email you.

    You came up as a $40 priority response which just means we answer you fast, sometimes we can be backlogged a week on answers when it gets really busy so this service lets people that need an answer fast jump the queue. Then we have a phone consultation service where we can talk on the phone and consult this is $75, the most popular by far is the Private buyer’s service at $250 on this one we shop for you, advise of local options, then negotiate the final deal with the retailer. we always save you at least the cost of the service and often times a lot more.

    We will do around 2000 private buyer services this coming year, its a great service, we do not take commissions or finders fees from retailers or manufacturers for this service we work for you the end user, and just advise and assist and make sure you get the right price on whatever you decide to buy.

  20. Reply
    admin October 8, 2020 at 8:51 am

    Hi Alex, almost no idea anout this except the following:

    – they leak, always (unless they have a vinyl liner) so make sure the area can handle this
    – The low flow circulation and filtration on them means they need high chem levels and cant run the additives that bring down chem levels.
    – they are expensive
    – They have little or no massage value just the hot water therapy

  21. Reply
    admin October 8, 2020 at 8:47 am

    primarily performance, the clarity has a lot of the small low flow jets For massage, the number of jets means a lot less than the size of the jet. little jets are cheap around $10, move tiny amounts of water and do very little for massage, 3.5″ mid flows are worth like $35 and start to flow much higher volumes of water and move the whole muscles mass and for long term do a lot more, the big 5″ high flow therapy massage jets again are $50-$60 each and are really where you are getting into a good therapy massage spa. the massive 10″ monster jets with a diverter are around $500 and blow you out of the water for foot, leg massage.

  22. Reply
    admin October 8, 2020 at 8:44 am

    Hi Pam

    The bullfrog is better than the Hot springs although neither are great, the hot springs are mid-end performance with a goofy proprietary parts list while the bullfrog has a cheap ABS plastic shell that requires pedestal supporting. Both brands are also overpriced and wrapped up in really high-end marketing to make these mid-end products seem like the next generation, but in reality, they are just middle fo the road spas, certainly not nightmare brands but you can get a lot better for less.

    There are very few retailers around you but a lot of hot tub service companies the main player in Florida is an outfit called Southeast spas they sell statewide and into Georgia and South Carolina even they sell around 200 spas a year where as most dealers sell like 200 these guys have good brand and good service.

    Alos look for these brands… Nordic Hot tubs, Dream maker, Artesian, PDC

  23. Reply
    admin October 8, 2020 at 8:37 am

    Hi Lynn

    The beachcombers are well-made spas using good fabrication, good hand-rolled self-supporting shell good parts, and good insulation, the only downside is the stupid nonremovable skirt. this cut corner option leaves the end-user in a really bad place when they leak because the tub needs to be removed for repair.

    The Arctic spa is a middle fo the road spas wrapped up in truly impressive marketing and gimmicky options. It has a good shell but pretty much ends there with a dodgy Chinese proprietary parts list, cheap low R-value insulation, and no clamps on the plumbing… It’s not really a contender in the high-quality tub range.

    Locally I would check out splash works who sell Coast spas although I think they are like 2022 for delivery unless they have orders in the pipe.

    You are also right beside one of the biggest hot tub sellers in Canada, premium Wholesale in Kitchener def services that area they sell around 2000 spas a year compared to local retailers who sell around 200… they carry master spas which again is good shells, good parts, good insulation and clamped plumbing lines.

  24. Reply
    admin October 7, 2020 at 3:20 pm

    They sell the twilight spas, H2x, clarity, healthy living, LSX, and getaway brands… all made by Master spas.

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    admin October 7, 2020 at 10:47 am

    The Flash is a pretty basic tub from a performance jetting standpoint, most of the jets are the cheap small low flow jets and only a few of the larger therapy massage jets. the killer for me on this tub is the foot dome 🙁 These domes were all the rage in the ’80s & ’90s and most companies went away from them decades ago. They are a nightmare, yer always tripping over the damn things, I had one, and man it seriously got to the point where I would warn everyone getting in and the number of times people fell tripping on the damn things was insane. The other big reason most manufacturers went away from them and moved the foot jets into the footwell wall was leaking because everyone is always stepping on the jets they are a big leak risk and the worst leak type because they are under the floor so the tub needs to be removed to fix them. on top of that running plumbing under the floor is stupid, you have very little insulation there and you lose a lot of heat from conduction they offset it a bit with the raised plumbing Chanel but that just adds to the crappy floor space. It’s also full of proprietary parts

  26. Reply
    admin October 7, 2020 at 9:26 am

    sent an email to you and scott

  27. Reply
    admin October 7, 2020 at 9:24 am

    Non- chlorine shock is all I recommend I might have misspoken 🙂

  28. Reply
    admin October 7, 2020 at 9:23 am

    Hey Jim

    I put some feelers out for you but you should get on the Private Buyers service.

    We can source you spas and save you at least the price of the service of the purchase price of the spa, we will do a couple thousand of these in the next year and have solid contacts right across the US with solid pricing, and or immediate delivery times

  29. Reply
    admin October 6, 2020 at 7:35 pm

    Sunrise is ok middle fo the road tub with a lower end cradle supported shell and low rvalue insulation but a good parts list. it’s like most tubs middle fo the road.

  30. Reply
    admin October 6, 2020 at 12:49 pm

    The twilights have 6 brake hp which is around 4 continuous the jacuzzi has 4.8 Brake Hp which is 2.5 continuous

  31. Reply
    admin October 6, 2020 at 12:46 pm

    nope you can divert the main pump to the foot blasters

  32. Reply
    admin October 5, 2020 at 1:08 pm

    Hi Peter, the price is high but if it’s really available in 8 weeks that is why there is a premium for fast tubs.

    The Furo is a lot of money for what is basically a basic low-end hot tub, I would really question the water lasting for years with no chemicals, they use a UV system The problem with hot tub water has never been organics, chlorine ozone etc is super effective even at low concentrations at killing organics and the only thing any of the onboard systems including ozone do is treat organics 🙂

    The problem with hot tub water is the inorganics like oils, lotions, and sunscreens. They are the real problem because chlorine and the onboard systems suck at dealing with inorganics.

    Its seems like everyone has claims of these miracle chem reduction systems but ive never seen one worth buying…

  33. Reply
    admin October 5, 2020 at 12:54 pm

    The Coast is way better than the Vita on all aspects.

    We have a lot fo good contacts there and do several private buyers a week there, you should get on the service we will save you more than the fee for sure.

    there are Artesian and master available there as well.

  34. Reply
    admin October 5, 2020 at 8:26 am

    Nordic is def the best of that lot by a long shot, the bf is a thin cradle supported shell and mid-end parts list, the AW and CW are just mass merchant across the board. the nearest good brands are Lexington and evansville

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    admin October 5, 2020 at 8:22 am

    Hey Dusty, the shell on the Four winds last time I looked was using a plastic ridgidiser instead of a good hand-rolled fiberglass shell it’s a thin cradle supported frame. the jetting on the master for swimming is a lot better the VIP system flows a lot more water, the massage jetting on the hot tub end is all the high flow therapy jets from the Twilight series which is a crazy expensive high flow therapy massage spas the FW is the little cheapo jets. honestly, FW is typically mid to low end stuff the H2X is one of the best-built swimmers out there.

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    admin October 5, 2020 at 8:17 am

    Foret the filtration bullshit all spas even the cheap Chinese Crapo from the mass merchants filter the water really well.

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    admin October 2, 2020 at 12:12 pm

    This is a super weird one. initially, I would suspect the GFI was wired incorrectly, it happens a lot… normally when a sparky installs a breaker they connect the load(in this case the hot tub) by connecting the 2 hots to the breaker and the neutral to the neutral bar. On a GFI breaker, the neutral from the hot tub goes to the breaker as well and the neutral tail on the GFI goes to the neutral bar. on this particular GFI the neutral is behind the load and hard to see… make sure that is ok. second, make sure.

    Random trips are usually not the hot tub, if a hot tub trips a breaker it is consistent, either a ground fault or a current draw issue, once they replaced all the hot tub parts and it still trips it indicates it supply not the device.

    here is an article that might help

    Also, lazy breakers are a common cause although you have replaced the GFI once I would start by replacing it again.

  38. Reply
    admin September 28, 2020 at 11:31 am

    Hey Lance.

    Typically on Swim spas, the private buyer’s service will save you $500- $1000 off the price of whatever you buy we always save you way more than the fee for the service.

    You have a good service tech there called the pool doctor, there is also a master dealer selling H2X swim spas, and we can look at wholesalers and sometimes get great prices from dealers out of the market.

  39. Reply
    admin September 28, 2020 at 11:15 am

    Hi Chris

    1-2 months is tricky and you will pay a big premium the industry is insanely busy May is likely the delivery date for most brands.

    try and find a Dremaker, Nordic, or Getaway

  40. Reply
    admin September 23, 2020 at 4:02 pm

    Hey Pat

    Catalina is a middle of the road swimmer both build quality and performance-wise, its on par with most of the crap in this world but def not one of them really well-built units but at least its priced low, It blows my mind how much junk out there is priced super high on the back of slick marketing…

    what area are you in?

  41. Reply
    admin September 23, 2020 at 4:00 pm

    Nordic is a good spa but not your top for cold climates coming in around R-10

    Arctic is a great marketing company but the spa is full of Chinese proprietary parts no clamps on the plumbing and a low-cost low R-value.

    Id look at the jacuzzi at twin city and The Masters at master pool and spa.

  42. Reply
    admin September 23, 2020 at 3:57 pm

    Hey Dan

    Jacuzzi and Artesian are good Wellis is low-end euro trash with proprietary parts and low-end fabrication.

    Forget reviews, Forbes says like 70% is bullshit and that local dealer for Master is one of the biggest dealers in the world he does I’m thinking 2-3000 spas a year… Compare that to a good local retailer who does 2-300 a year. So this guy pops into a city with a couple of truckloads of spas, and a team of salespeople does 50g’s in advertising and drops 100 spas into the local market in a weekend… The local dealers go bat shit crazy every time he does it and he does it everywhere, all the time, If you don’t think those pissed off dealers are getting the friends and family on the rating sites think again. This guy is not well-liked by local retailers 🙂

    You actually live in his local area where his little retail store is 🙂

    Yeah, swim spas are what you should be looking at if you want a pool, pools are bullshit they spend more than half the year sitting there swim spas in all rear round… PDC, H2X, are my top two

    In this market you should do private buyers service, I work for you to find the right tub then negotiate the deal and guarantee to save you the cost of the service or refund it back to a basic consult… I do not take commissions from dealer or factories for these deals so I have no gain by pushing you any specific brand or dealer… its a great service and in this area, I always have 5-10 on the go and have good relationships with the locale dealers.

  43. Reply
    admin September 23, 2020 at 1:35 pm

    No Sir. the entire base of the hot tubs needs to be supported, the reality is that the good hot tubs have very little weight supported but the frame

  44. Reply
    admin September 22, 2020 at 2:39 pm

    hey, Doug get our private buyers service we will find you good pricing through a bunch of wholesalers we know, guarantee it will save you more than the cost fo the service.

  45. Reply
    admin September 22, 2020 at 2:36 pm

    I know them well they are solid dealers, I like the 7.25 mainly because loungers are a waste of space and water environments where you are floating are not about contoured seating or reclining they are about space, also the foot jet position of the 7.25 is way better for using it on the back of you calves, knees, and even lower back.

  46. Reply
    admin September 22, 2020 at 2:33 pm

    Catalina is lower quality with a cheaper cradle supported shell and Sundance is again kind of mid-end but with really nice marketing.

    In my opinion, the TS is as good as the MPL and not worth the extra money, I find the MPL 7 series very cramped and the TS nice and open seating.
    I also would not buy any of the upgrades, it comes very well appointed already.

    its fine to put it in the ground but expensive to do so, and make sure you have a drain to take away water incase it leaks.

  47. Reply
    admin September 22, 2020 at 2:28 pm

    Not sure the brand but looks like the heating and control system is 2003 for a grand if it works and holds water might be a good buy esp because its indoors.

  48. Reply
    admin September 22, 2020 at 2:22 pm

    the pretty much the going rate for the times.

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    admin September 22, 2020 at 2:20 pm

    Koko beach does CVoast, spa tech does master they would be my go-to. also beachcomber but with the non-remoavble skirt its a big risk when they leak its expensive to fix and they are overpriced.

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    admin September 22, 2020 at 2:17 pm

    They are a good solid entry-level spa,

    $4.5 is a tough number I would consider going refurbished?

  51. Reply
    admin September 22, 2020 at 2:12 pm

    I would not buy any of those brands.

    I would go see the garden spas from Artesian at Tucson Hot Tubs

    east, 2704 E 22nd St, Tucson, AZ 85713
    http://www.tucsontubs.com
    +1 520-303-7727
    4.8View in Google Maps

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    admin September 22, 2020 at 1:59 pm

    Its certainly not a nightmare brand but it’s kind of middle fo the road performance and shell.

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    admin September 15, 2020 at 10:41 am

    Dude they are all built for the average 🙂

    there will only ever be one seat you fit in, the LSX main seat is deep but not sure.. body height vs leg length can change that a lot… can you go sit in one?

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    admin September 15, 2020 at 10:40 am

    beachcomber or jacuzzi for sure. both decent spas, you will pay a bit over the top but at least they are built right with good OEM parts for the most part

  55. Reply
    admin September 15, 2020 at 10:36 am

    You pretty much answered yer own question, those 4 would be my goto .

    local is not that big of a deal, there is a super good service guy there called Ken Hopkins Hickory Repairs 828-312-8606

    call him see if he services yer area if so then go to any of the four.

    the biggest thing you need from a dealer is timely information, download the SpaStar app its all on your phone then.

  56. Reply
    admin September 15, 2020 at 10:31 am

    Bromine generators in specific but also concern rising around bromine in general, but honestly any dealer using bromine is way out of touch. this was an alternative to chlorine back in the day when we were running 3-5ppm, it was not as harsh and did not smell as bad…

    The problem with hot water in a spa is two-fold, the organic end is easily handled by a myriad of methods the inorganics were always the issue so loads of chlorine or bromine was the solution because these halogen type oxidizers are not efficient at handing inorganics. with products like spa marvel that are super good at handling inorganics (soap, oil, etc) lots of people are running super low chlorine levels like 0.5ppm reliably… At those levels it lower than drinking water in a lot of cities so it does not smell and is not harsh so no reason to spend the extra on bromine…

    Honestly buy this shit no matter what you do… It also makes the water easier to manage by stabilizing pH and it protects the plastic…

  57. Reply
    admin September 15, 2020 at 10:01 am

    I actually am becoming more of a fan of the Jacuzzi, they have changed the build and parts and build a good spa now but it’s pricy… Honestly its better than a lot of options.

    You have PDC, Master, Artesian, and Coast around you and all would be as good or better build quality and on the high end better overall jetting and performance and similar or less money.

    I would look at the Master Twilights and LSX, the Coast apex, the Artesian elite and the PDC Luxury series..

  58. Reply
    admin September 15, 2020 at 9:55 am

    there are 4 big groups that share to top spot than almost a hundred others. I would think the Watkins group has 20-30%? but the Hot Springs line up might be 20-30% of their volume so 5-10% might be generous but would still put them at twice some brands… The reality is their proprietary parts specifically their Invensys heating and control system has a high failure rate, their no-fault heater is riddled with problems but because its always the heater relay board, or the probes wells breaking that are both expensive repairs but are not technically the “heater” failing… shades of grey…

  59. Reply
    admin September 15, 2020 at 9:11 am

    Hi, David

    The Artesian is a better shell its a hand-rolled self-supporting shell, the Cal shell is a regular cradle supported shell I toured the factory and while it wasn’t a wreck it wasn’t anything special, the hype about the strongest shell and the steel re-enforcing was silly the thin strips of metal were nothing and then really it’s a mid-end cradle supported shell. The parts are a mix you need to make sure yer getting balboa and you pay extra for the full foam option.

    Both factories are running around 200 days for new orders from what I see and unless the dealer can show you a unit with a serial number for something ordered in may June its unlikely that the date is going to be under 200 days.

    I do a lot of private buyers in Denver and can get you good pricing, and or good delivery dates, we have a good relationship with dealers, wholesalers, and service guys in the region and I have had several dozen private buyers hire me there.

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    admin September 15, 2020 at 9:04 am

    See the other response, price wise it’s going for $9k now so 30% off the bat then 10% per year. so $2500 ish

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    admin September 15, 2020 at 8:52 am

    yeah if the price was right.

    look at the control box and pumps, look for white corrosion that would indicate chemical issues, take a jet out and see if the back of them are brittle, see if the cover is light and good.

    what tub and what price?

  62. Reply
    admin September 14, 2020 at 11:01 am

    Hey Cameron

    The TS 67.25 is really good for a small high-performance spa, the Nordic is a solid tub as well but much more entry-level more on par with the getaway hot tub line maybe the Ochos Rios.

    there is a Denver dealer called https://www.aquaspasinc.com/

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    admin September 14, 2020 at 10:45 am

    Hey john

    The Jacs are well-built spa with good parts and a pretty middle fo the line performance. priced very high on the back of a lot of really expensive old school marketing and branding bullshit.

    The Crossover I think is Dreamaker not Jacuzzi but they are good as well.

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    admin September 14, 2020 at 10:39 am

    Middle fo the road cradle supported shell and low R-value inexpensive insulation system good parts and the clamp the plumbing. Like most brands, they do a couple of thinngs right and cut a couple of corners but not a nightmare brand for sure.

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    admin September 14, 2020 at 10:38 am

    yeah beachco,mber and Coast are the only really good options locally, there is a service company in Bowmanville called King Street Pools & Hot Tub Supplies check if they service all brands

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    admin September 14, 2020 at 10:34 am

    The master and beachcomber are better built with better parts the only downside to the beachcomber is the nonremovable skirt which is a nightmare when they leak.

  67. Reply
    admin September 14, 2020 at 10:30 am

    They are not bad prices and good spas

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    admin September 14, 2020 at 10:28 am

    Neither are really in my high-end list, both use cradle supported shells instead of self-supporting shells, they both cut corners on the insulation and the aspen does not clamp the plumbing and uses a second-tier heating and control system.

    There are a lot better options locally check out The Coast swim spas ar rec warehouse, the Artesian at Factory Hot Tubs & Swim Spas in Oakville, and the H2X swim spas at Premium wholesale in Kitchener.

  69. Reply
    admin September 14, 2020 at 10:09 am

    Hi Kyle, Balboa, and CMP jets (compression fit) its got standard easily sourced parts.

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    admin September 14, 2020 at 10:08 am

    Hi Steven

    There is a wholesaler we can get you solid pricing from and with 7 independent service companies for hot tubs in the area its not a bad option.

    get on the private buyer’s service we for sure will save you more than the fee in this market.

  71. Reply
    admin September 14, 2020 at 10:03 am

    Of that group, the jacuzzi is the best one for sure, good shells and good parts with a good High R-value insulation system. performance wise the Jacs are pretty mainstream and the price is high due to the massive marketing budget.

    Check out Davidson spas for the Artesians in Driggs

  72. Reply
    admin September 14, 2020 at 10:00 am

    Pretty middle fo the road, cradle supported shell, inexpensive low R-value insulation, and a mid-end heating and control system.

  73. Reply
    admin September 14, 2020 at 9:57 am

    Hi Rita

    Look forward to working with you if you haven’t already you will receive a form to fill out and we can get stuck in!

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    admin September 14, 2020 at 9:54 am

    Prices everywhere are high and supply is low, typically any decent brand is 200+ days for delivery, and the few that are available more quickly are at a premium price for sure.

    Its made by Sunrise spas, its middle of the road with a cradle supported shell, and a low Rvalue insulation system.

    Jetting wise again pretty middle the road with a few of the good hi-flow jets and mostly the small low flow ones. the price is really high for a tub of this caliber but that is the world right now, if you have them available fast you can name your price 🙂

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    admin September 14, 2020 at 9:13 am

    Beachcomber is a solid well build spa.

    It’s overpriced and the performance his middle of the road.

    The only thing I really dislike is the nonremovable skirt, they are a nightmare to repair when they leak and really expensive even under warranty.

  76. Reply
    admin September 14, 2020 at 8:56 am

    Yeah, most brands are running 200 days, usually, there are a few you can find more quickly but yer paying a premium for them.

  77. Reply
    admin September 14, 2020 at 8:53 am

    Hi Cindy

    The jacuzzi over the Sundance, they are both funnily enough owned by the same equity investment group but the parts are better on the Jac.

    Frankly, both are overpriced, mid-performance spas but at least the Jac is built right.

    Do our private buyers service we do a ton n and around there and have good relationships we will save you more than the cost of the service on any of these purchases.

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    admin September 14, 2020 at 8:42 am

    yeah they are built by Sunrise spas, its run of the mill cradle supported shells, lower-end insulation like most of the stuff out there…

    You have beachcomber and Coast spas around you both Canadian made and better quality, also a massive dealer for master in Kitchener called premium wholesale.

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    admin September 14, 2020 at 8:38 am

    Hi

    We are seeing the Master twilight being in the 10k range but the Hollywood is a mid-end tub more comparable tot he Clarity line which should ebe in around the same price… also there is a jacuzzi dealer called Tarson pools and spas thats a better option as well.

  80. Reply
    admin September 14, 2020 at 8:34 am

    The coast is not a bad brand at all better than the Arctic for sure, frankly, I can never figure out why arctic is expensive… Yeah they build a good shell but then its all cheap Chinese made proprietary parts, no clamps n the plumbing and cheap low R-value insulation… The best thing about the brand in my opinion is the marketing that makes you think its next level…

    whats yer post code?

  81. Reply
    admin September 14, 2020 at 8:30 am

    There is typically a call-out charge that covers the cost of getting the tech to your door, usually its $50-$75 but if you are far away from the dealer it can be more.

    Warranties

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    admin September 14, 2020 at 8:27 am

    Beachcomber does not make swim spas, Hydropool is owned by a huge US equity investment corporation and they are nothing special… Dynasty has been a real mess I’ve had more customers complain about this brand than almost any other, look at the comments on the bottom of this review… Honestly both those swimmers are mid-end at best.

    Those prices are a crazy high man you should get my private buyers service I will save you a ton on this purchase certainly a lot more than the cost fo the service in this area.

  83. Reply
    admin September 14, 2020 at 8:22 am

    Hi Chris

    Its a mess everywhere, honestly manufacturers gave times then parts started getting scarce and times moved again and again… the reason yer not getting much info is there is no reliable info 🙂

    My advice is half tight… lead times for any of the good brands are around 200+ days and tubs are coming out just not fast enough, yer in the line now stay there and cut yer dealer some slack he is likely losing his mind 🙂

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    admin September 11, 2020 at 9:50 am

    Yeah, gimmick and the claims of increased efficiency from the reduced amount of pipe are spurious, the water has to flow longer in the 2″ pipe which has more friction loss than a dozen of the smaller pipes for sure. and its a cheap low-end ABS plastic shell with pedestal supports and second rate heating and control system. It’s not an expensive spa to build but its sold at high prices based mainly on the super good old school expensive branding, advertising, and marketing. Performance-wise its mid-end with little or no high-end neck and shoulder or foot jetting.

    That being said its not a nightmare brand, just an overpriced upper-mid brand.

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    admin September 11, 2020 at 9:41 am

    Hi Mike, Seattle is a really busy area for us we do tons of private buyers’ services and have good relationships with local dealers and service people there.

    I would see Coast at Riches for the home, and artesian at black pine and jacuzzi at the aqua quip

    but seriously hire me on the private buyer’s service Ill for sure save you more than the cost of the service, we will work with all the way through and negotiate the deal on whatever you decide to buy.

  86. Reply
    admin September 11, 2020 at 9:37 am

    Yeah, check out Fraiser Valley Hot Tubs for Master Spas.

    Also in that area, we do a lot of private buyers’ service. It’s a $250 charge but we guarantee to save you $250 off your purchase no matter what you buy.

    https://hottubuniversity.com/privatebuyer/

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    admin September 10, 2020 at 12:18 pm

    Damn we are quick! 🙂

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    admin September 10, 2020 at 9:32 am

    Locally the only brand I would consider would be the PDC. Holiday Hot Tubs & Pools 1000 Ohio Ave, McDonald, OH 44437 http://www.holidayhottubsandpools.com +1 330-530-3872

    If we travel a little further out you can find a master dealer near Cleveland called Leisuretime Warehouse 440-623-7554 30140 Lakeland Blvd UNIT 1, Wickliffe, OH 44092 leisuretimewarehouse.com +1 440-623-7554

    Down Pittsburg way there is an Artesian dealer Alpine Pools 4660 Route 8, William Flinn Hwy, Allison Park, PA 15101 http://www.alpinepools.com +1 412-487-3606

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    admin September 10, 2020 at 9:15 am

    its a shit show, so much of this world is smoke and mirrors its sad, we have the ability to make products that would last a lifetime but we build shit to intentionally fail for profit. Meanwhile, we are filling landfill sites with crap that’s failing and raping the land for the resources and energy needed to make more crap that is designed to fail.

    We need a new system…

  90. Reply
    admin September 10, 2020 at 9:11 am

    Pricy for a small tub but its a good tub and nothing is cheap right now

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    admin September 10, 2020 at 9:08 am

    Hey, Tim, I do a ton of private buyers services around the SF area, we have good relationships with local dealers and wholesalers and get good pricing for sure we will save you more than the fee.

    what’s yer budget?

  92. Reply
    admin September 10, 2020 at 8:50 am

    Bahama spas are Dynasty spas Keep looking…

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    admin September 10, 2020 at 8:47 am

    Hi Rus

    What size swimmers were you looking at?

    The Trainers do not have the air control which is stupid on their part. but the Challenger not only has the ability to shut off the air but also has a third motor that’s massive and variable speed with a controller that lets you pre-program interval training sequences that automatically vary the flow its simple to use man once you program it which is easy you just push go on whatever program you want to run. The trainer controls are not complicated just you have a massive range of adjustability which the dealer was demonstrating by changing it all the time, frankly once yer on to what speed you like its 2 seconds to set up.

    Forget having the seats on while the swim side is on workout speeds… first off having a second body in any swimmer while you are working out fucks with the water flow and secondly when yer socializing with others in the unit is generally not when yer working out 🙂 and third you only have so much power available from the electrical supply if you have the seats running then the laws of physics says you need to turn the flow way down which means you just can not have both in the really-real world. Yer overthinking it dude.

    Yeah, the Catalina stuff is mass merchant quality so is most of it.

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    admin September 10, 2020 at 8:36 am

    Hi Kyle

    That’s all right around you The jacuzzi is a pretty solid brand the Arctic is a good shell but cheap Chinese proprietary parts, no clamps on the plumbing, and cheap low R-value insulation… The best thing about the brand is sweet marketing, branding, and advertising that make it seem like a high-end product.

    Lyles hot tub Repair used to be there but closed so unless you can do your own parts swapping and DIY troubleshooting the Jac is the way to go.

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    admin September 9, 2020 at 12:15 pm

    yeah, they are made in Quebec by Lumi.

    Roto-molded spas are durable they use good parts but the insulation is low end.

    I would look at Nordic and Getaway and Dreamaker as better built options in this genre.

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    admin September 9, 2020 at 12:08 pm

    Artesian is abetter spa for sure especially the shell.

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    admin September 9, 2020 at 9:47 am

    The shell is a cradle supported acrylic shell

    The insulation is a mylar radiant barrier with foam board approx R-8

    Im not sure of the brand of pumps or jets but the jetting is all inexpensive low flow small jets.

    These tubs are similar to most of the internet and mass merchant spas.

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    admin September 9, 2020 at 9:21 am

    just emailed

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    admin September 9, 2020 at 9:21 am

    Hey Kev

    Not sure about the local one, is it really made there or more likely a chinese import private branded?

    Bullfrog is over priced middle of the road with loads of fancy marketing to make it seem high end.

    go find a master or Artesian or even a jacuzzi

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    admin September 9, 2020 at 9:13 am

    if you want a good massage the higher amperage units will push a lot more water around.

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    admin September 9, 2020 at 9:12 am

    Hi, Alecia

    Ottawa has some good brands and dealers we do a lot of private buyers service there and have good relationships with some of the dealers.

    Go see my dude Christian at Purewater Total they sell Artesians spas

    And go see above and beyond in Carleton place for Coast,

    there is a also a wholesaler that has a couple hundred customers there called premium wholesale in Kitchener he has local service as well.

  102. Reply
    admin September 8, 2020 at 1:26 pm

    The best two around you are World of hot tubs in Guelph that do artesian and Premium wholesale in Kitchener that do Master

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    admin September 8, 2020 at 1:24 pm

    all of the onboard systems like salt and AOP and UV are decent Frankly one of the big secrets that none of the hot tub manufacturers want you to know is that none of the onboard systems are anywhere near as effective, reliable, low chem and easy to manage as the add-ins like this product. No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff are aquafinesse. plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee on the jets.

    The problem with the on board systems is that they only are effective at handling organics. Enzymes are really effective at handling inorganics like soaps lotions etc.

    chemical free systems

    Also download this app It lets you Manage your hot tub chemistry without hassle, diagnose and fix water issues, troubleshoot any problems and even request service on your tub. Spa Star will do all that and more and best of all IT’S FREE!

    https://www.spa-star.net/

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    admin September 4, 2020 at 11:52 am

    Hi Erik

    It’s not just nordic everyone is 200 days for a hot tub right now.

    honestly, the performance is not a big difference if you shut off some of the jets your seat pressure would be the same.

    what price?

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    admin September 4, 2020 at 11:43 am

    great prices1 and yeah id pay for the extra full foam, although i thought it was standard…

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    admin September 4, 2020 at 11:02 am

    Damn the beachcomber is the only one fo those 3 I would even look at 🙁 the insulation on the other 2 are crap and they are both mid-end shells that are cradle supported and the AW doesn’t even clamp the plumbing lines 🙁

    I know a fellow Gurl from the Rock who is in Halifax and sends a lot of spas back to St John’s, she is there right now funnily enough 🙂 ill send her details

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    admin September 4, 2020 at 10:55 am

    no.

    don’t get me wrong its one of the better onboard systems but the reality is I would not buy master pure… No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Spa Marvel is cool tech.

    The problem with hot tub water is the combo of organics and inorganics.

    Funnily enough, all the onboard systems target the organics which is the easy part, let’s face it nothing out there is more effective even at low concentrations than good old chlorine for killing organics.

    The hard part is handling inorganics. Soaps, lotions, body oils, these are hard to break down and the reason we have such high chlorine levels is simply that its not very efficient at breaking down inorganics so a lot of its work is wasted handling this.

    The beauty of enzymes is that they are super good at breaking down inorganics so that leaves the chlorine-free to do what it is good at!!!

    The problem is getting the right mix of enzymes that can survive the heat and chlorine and this is where Spa Marvel kicks ass…

    Also, download this app It lets you Manage your hot tub chemistry without hassle, diagnose and fix water issues, troubleshoot any problems, and even request service on your tub. Spa Star will do all that and more and best of all IT’S FREE!
    https://www.spa-star.net/

  108. Reply
    admin September 4, 2020 at 10:52 am

    No. its a lower end ABS plastic shell that requires pedestal supporting, they don’t clamp all the plumbing lines, the insulation is the low end, and even things like not preassembling the plumbing and not using torque wrenches on the jets just reeks of low end 80’s manufacturing… it’s mass merchant quality all the way.

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    admin September 3, 2020 at 3:41 pm

    Aspen spas is a small regional guy its not a nightmare brand and definately a step above the mass merchant stuff.

    Sundance is overpriced and full of proprietary parts with a mid-end performance

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    admin September 3, 2020 at 3:39 pm

    So Black pine sells artesioan spas, and the riches do Coast both solid brands we also get wholesale deals through master there and have loads of service guys around you.

    get the private buyers service, It will save you more than the fee for sure we have good working relationships with those dealers.

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    admin September 3, 2020 at 1:28 pm

    Only if the massage is supercritical to you…

    Master spa Toronto
    Store number: 289-633-3459

    Griffin Ryan
    griffryan@hotmail.com
    1 (416) 779-0563

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    admin September 3, 2020 at 1:27 pm

    LOL

    you should get it for $10,600 to $11k in around 200 days

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    admin September 3, 2020 at 12:22 pm

    The warranty is full of holes, exclusions and is pro-rated… its 20 years on the shell only if it leaks… 10 years on the surface but only for 3 years then you pay 50% and pay for removal and delivery 🙂 that’s nothing but marketing.

    So really the main failure on a cheap shell is delamination which does not cause a leak and is a surface issue so really this BS warranty is hot air its a 3-year shell warranty for most of the things that will go wrong 🙂

    Same with the parts… 3 years then you pay 50% and only the first year covers labor!

    This is a shit warranty.

    You would be way better with a 5-year full shell warranty and a 3-year full parts and labor warranty.

    As for the Devine tubs its more of the same, cheap ABS plastic shell, lower R-value insulation, tons of the little cheap low flow jets it’s the same as all the price point spas from any mass merchant or internet direct seller.

  114. Reply
    admin September 3, 2020 at 11:32 am

    Hi Ryan

    The optima is a pretty basic middle of the road performance spa with the added disadvantage of a proprietary parts list.

    what’s yer zip and I’ll see what I can find

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    admin September 3, 2020 at 11:29 am

    Honestly the jetting does not get much better and neither of them has a very good neck and shoulder jet package just the little 1.5″ low flow jets and both are well built.

    The biggest thing is the island foot domes suck… foot domes are the worst thing ever put on a hot tub with the possible exception of TV’s 🙂

    – Big tripping hazard, the number of people that tripped and fell on my foot dome on my old tub was insane… they are a hazard and a pain in the ass
    – No real advantage. the only have those cheap little 1.5″ low flow jets so they don’t do squat anyway.
    – Big potential for leaks because they get stepped on and when they leak its a nightmare because there under the tub and hard to get at
    – Big heat loss through conduction. no one plumbs under the footwell because there is so little insulation there that you lose a pile of heat running the hot water right against the ground with little insulation.

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    admin September 3, 2020 at 10:50 am

    Nowhere near the quality of the Coast or Tropic seas, this is happening everywhere, to good brands are 200 days so people are grabbing whatever they can to cash in on the boom 🙁

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    admin September 3, 2020 at 10:40 am

    They are Watkins low-end brands the heating and control system is a problematic proprietary part I’m not a fan of the brand, the build, or the parts list.

    There are much better options in the entry-level.

    Try and Find a Nordic Hot Tub, A Getaway Hot Tub, or a Dreamaker

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    admin September 3, 2020 at 9:48 am

    No worries!

    Thank you for the Thank you for the time!

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    admin September 2, 2020 at 1:28 pm

    Hey Dawn

    Yes so right so many expensive crappy brands out there that spend more on the marketing and bullshit than they do on the product 🙁

    hit Ross up he does nation wide with good brands

    The Hot Tub Superstore
    ross@thehottubsuperstore.co.uk
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    admin September 2, 2020 at 1:25 pm

    patio stone base is fine as long as it is properly laid with a good sub-base, be careful of flagstone it can have really big ups and downs

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    admin September 2, 2020 at 1:15 pm

    No worries 🙂

    Happy hot tubbing!

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    admin September 2, 2020 at 8:17 am

    Hi Vanessa

    Tropical pool and spa carry Beachcomber and Hot Springs. The Beachcomber is a well built with good parts and good insulation, but only Mid performance with little or no real neck and shoulder jetting or foot jetting systems. Stay away from the Hybrid option, and it does have one really ugly flaw. the skirt is non-removable so if you have a leak which can certainly happen from time to time it’s an expensive nightmare to fix because instead of a quick pop the skirt off and fix the leak you have to have it removed to a facility fixed and reinstalled and the removal and reinstall are not covered under warranty so you can easily be $600 to literally thousands depending on the installation site. the Hot Springs is overpriced mid-grade stuff supported by massive adverting and branding and marketing money to make it appear high end… its mid-build, mid-performance, and full of mid-grade overpriced proprietary part

    Decked out Home and Patio do Coast, better all-round with higher performance and good build and parts. Id say the beachcomber is better built except for the skirt issue and has a better QC system.

    Eden spas do jacuzzi they are slowly getting onto my good guy list, after years of building mid-end with crap parts they are now using a Balboa heating and control system and they have always built a good shell and use good insulation, the performance is again kind of middle fo the road and they are overpriced because of the big marketing spend but other than the jetting they seem to be upping their game.

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    admin September 2, 2020 at 7:59 am

    Both are good reliable tubs from a build quality standpoint, they are worth the same.

    2 big differences.

    neck and shoulder jetting on the 748 is kind of weak with just the little 1.5″ low flow jets, they don’t do much the Clarity has one of the 3.5″ high flow therapy massage jets and 2 of the 1.5’s so its better.

    the biggest thing is the 748 is an old design, not much foot room and the foot dome in the middle is a frigging nightmare. these are from the ’80s and they were terrible. first off you trip over the damn things all the time, they are seriously a Hazzard, I hated the spa I had with one 🙁 also they are prone to leaking because they are in the floor and everyone steps all over them so the shell to jet fitting is prone to get loose and leak and when they do its the worst leak imaginable because of its right under the center of the tub. also, most companies went away from plumbing under the floor of a tub because you get big heat losses from conduction when you run hot water under the floor in a very under-insulated area of the tub…

    Finally, if yer buying based on delivery times get the march delivery in writing with an option to cancel if it’s not reasonably on time… some dealers will quote fast delivery times and just use COVID as an excuse for delays… if they have this unit on order from June then they will have a work order number or serial number for reference… both these manufacturers are running 200+ days for production right now.

  124. Reply
    admin September 2, 2020 at 7:46 am

    get the private buyers service we will save you money for sure of these prices.

  125. Reply
    admin September 2, 2020 at 7:45 am

    it’s very high but everything is right now especially tubs available in this time frame, If you order for 6 months out you should be able to save a grand. pre COVID we saw them as low as $6k with an average of around $7k

    They are well built but this is mid-end performance line

  126. Reply
    admin September 2, 2020 at 7:41 am

    lower-end mass merchant type build quality

  127. Reply
    admin September 2, 2020 at 7:40 am

    Frankly, I don’t hold a lot of weight on reviews, Forbes says they are about 70% fake… But if you want bad reviews this site has 290 of them with an average on 1 star https://www.resellerratings.com/store/Hydropool_com

    Hydropool is owned by a US equity investment firm. its run of the mill and should be priced closer to the mass merchant end of the scale than the high end.

    The shell is a thinner cradle supported type the parts are OK and the insulation is cheap gimmicky lo R-value. The Self-cleaning thing is gimmicky, remember it has nothing to do with water quality it just removes debris from the floor as all tubs do, more modern systems simply stir the floor with jets and frankly every ho ttub even the cheap crap filter water and “self cleans” the challenge with hot tubs is not the debris in the water it’s keeping the water bacteria and organically clean which has nothing to do with filtration its all about water chemistry.

  128. Reply
    admin September 2, 2020 at 6:29 am

    here is a review

    The factory is in Guandong provence China and the Cdn office is Oakville… everyone says they are good 🙂

    whats yer post code?

  129. Reply
    admin September 2, 2020 at 6:24 am

    I’ve not found any other tubs that have a good neck shoulder jetting package, Plus the krevco guys I know and can handle you anywhere in the province.

  130. Reply
    admin September 2, 2020 at 6:24 am

    Ive not found any other tubs that have a good neck shoulder jetting package, Plus the krevco guys I know and can handle you anywhere in the province.

  131. Reply
    admin September 1, 2020 at 4:28 pm

    Hi Maurice

    Capo is a good brand made in mississauga its sells under Spa Boss and a few other names.

  132. Reply
    admin September 1, 2020 at 4:27 pm

    Hey Judy

    its also really crazy busy right now so dealers are having a hard time keeping up.

  133. Reply
    admin September 1, 2020 at 4:05 pm

    Liz run the hell away from Dynasty, Ive never heard anyone say a good thing about them and have had tons of people with horror stories, read the coments under this review.

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    admin September 1, 2020 at 4:02 pm

    Hi, Peggy

    The fact that you are looking for March delivery gives you a lot of power right now.

    Under the base a proprly laid patiostone base is perfect.

    You Can absolutelu get a good tub in that price range but you need tp be carefull especially right now when prices are high and demand is high and availability low!

    I would get the spa first then decide if you want a egola later, you can for sure keep it 90 in the summer should not be a problem for a well insualted spa.

    For easy to manage low chemical water use spa marvel, its cheap, great for the hot tub, easy to manage and lower than any other chemical free option.

    You have local options for both Getaway hot tubs, clarity hot tubs and garden leisure hot tubs.

    You should consider our private buyer’s service, we always save you at least the cost of the service and help and guide you and even negotiate the final deal for you.

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    admin September 1, 2020 at 3:48 pm

    Hey Kelly.

    Having toured both factories Cal is not a nighmare brand but its not in my top tier wither, what kept it back was the shell. despite all the BS marketing the shell is a regular thinner cradles supported shell and the big steel re-enforcement is a joke, its the thinest strip of tin I’ve ever seen. you alos need to make sure you order the model that has the balboa control and heating system, and get the full foam upgrade.

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    admin September 1, 2020 at 3:44 pm

    The Artesian is as well built but if yer looking for high end therpay massage they dont have any great neck or shoulder jetting with thier top model only having 4 of the little low flow jets the TS model with its 4 3.5″ high flow therpay jets kicks ass.

    Definately there are dealers quoting lower delivery times to get deals, there are a few here and there but they will be expensive and you want a guarantee on a rough arrival date.

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    admin September 1, 2020 at 3:39 pm

    foot blasters are great especially if they are positioned well. on the opposite end, the foot domes suck… bloody tripping hazard and useless

  138. Reply
    admin September 1, 2020 at 3:28 pm

    Hi!

    Plug and play tubs work fine except! the pressure on the jetting is low, and you cant run the heater with the jets on, also the heater is very small so on cold days it will loose a lot fo heat quickly which means short dips only before the water icools off.

    get a plug and play with dual voltage so if you find its not enough you cna at least hard wire it and get the heat issue solved

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    admin September 1, 2020 at 3:24 pm

    They are as good as any of the onboard chem reduction systems, like Salt, AOP, Ion etc etc but the reality is none of the onboard systems are great. The big flaw is that they only kill organics and that has never been the problem, chlorine is highly effective in low doses of handling organics. and all of these systems despite their claims require around 2ppm of chlorine.

    The problem is inorganics… soaps, lotions, body oils etc etc, all these band aid onboard water care systems are really bad at handiling inorganics which is why you still need the high levels of chlorie which, by the way, is also bad at handling inorganics.

    Frankly I would not spend a red cent on any of the chem reduction systems sold on any brand of hot tub, I would go to Spa marvel or even Aquafinesse. the beauty pf the spa marvel is it is really effective at handling inorganics and that frees up the chlorine to handle the organics… its way lower chemical running around 0.5ppm or 4 times lower than the onboard systems, the water reliably lasts a year which is 4x longer than the onboard systems and it has the added advantage of stabalizing pH and is super good for the plastic and actually gives you a lifetime guarantee on the jets… manufacturers hate it but the reality is this inexpensive add in product is miles ahead of any of the avaialble on board systems on any brand.

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    admin September 1, 2020 at 3:13 pm

    Chinesse made line of spas, thin shell supported by high denisty foam that inhibits access to plumbing and is a real nightmare to fix leaks on, mixed bag of parts using a good heating and control system but an old outdated click in jet that has traditionally had a high falure rate. its cheap to buy but expensive to keep in the field.

  141. Reply
    admin September 1, 2020 at 3:06 pm

    Small manufacturer out of Grimsby Ontario Canada, Cradle supported shell, a decent parts list and a low R value insualtion system. should be priced just above mass merchant stuff

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    admin August 30, 2020 at 12:13 pm

    Niether are nightmare brands but both have some big flaws and are over priced due to the massive marketiung, advertising and branding budgets.

    beachcomber is the better of the two it has a better shell and better heating and control system. but the non removable skirt can be a big issue if you have a leak.

    BF has a thin less exepnive plastic shell that requires pedistal supporting and the electronic and control system is not our top brand.

  143. Reply
    admin August 30, 2020 at 12:05 pm

    we do a lot of private buyers sales in Ottawa, we have good deals through the Coast and artesian retailers there.

  144. Reply
    admin August 30, 2020 at 12:04 pm

    Wellis is mass merchant quality with lots of goofy parts and poor to mid end fabrication. great marketing though!

  145. Reply
    admin August 30, 2020 at 12:03 pm

    Hi Katrina

    Niether are great spas, they compare with most of the better mass emrchant spas but no where near the build quality of the good stuff.

    check out the H2X at crocker sales in woburn or tidal fit at budget pools in peabody.

  146. Reply
    admin August 30, 2020 at 11:58 am

    im not 100% sure on the UK stuff but call ross.

  147. Reply
    admin August 30, 2020 at 11:45 am

    its low end, service guys love them because they make good money fixing them and because there is no insualtion they are easy to access

  148. Reply
    admin August 28, 2020 at 1:56 pm

    yep

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    admin August 28, 2020 at 1:52 pm

    Who knows… even crap products sometimes àlast for ages, it’s the averages that matter and they only matter to the peeps whos tub falls apart 🙂

    watching the video tells me they are not a high-end top tub my any stretch but hell I know peeps how have had crappy hot tubs running fine for a decade 🙂

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    admin August 28, 2020 at 1:50 pm

    All the brands have options for touch screens but the gecko control panel on the BF and the Invensys control panel on the hot springs are nowhere near as reliable as the touch screen on the Balboa.

    hit ross up

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    admin August 25, 2020 at 10:23 am

    oops sorry i had you up in cadilac!

    go see Nick 🙂

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    admin August 25, 2020 at 10:17 am

    Both are made by Watkins

    The Aquaterra is better because it Uses the gecko heating and control system which while not a top-end system is way better than the Invensys system on the hot spot.

  153. Reply
    admin August 25, 2020 at 9:43 am

    Chris everyone right now in hot tub world is swamped especially bigger dealers like Sean.

    The Coast is good as long as you don’t mind sacrificing the neck and shoulder jets, the Coast only has the little low flow jets the twilight is one of the only tubs that has four of the 3.5″ high flow neck and shoulder jets.

  154. Reply
    admin August 25, 2020 at 9:39 am

    Coast – Waterworks Pools & Spas
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    admin August 25, 2020 at 9:38 am

    Both are good well-made spas.

    But these tubs are not really in the same league for jetting and performance. The Clarity has a 40 jet package with 2 larger pumps and a better neck and shoulder jets, The beachcomber is a single pump (with a circulator pump that does not do any massage jetting it just filters)) and only 23 jets and should be a lot less expensive.

    The beachcomber also does not have sides that are removable which is a big risk, leaks down the road are a massive issue if you can’t get the sides off.

  156. Reply
    admin August 25, 2020 at 9:33 am

    Yeah, the shell and the electronic control and heating system are way better on the Beachcomber.

    The beachcomber downside os the nonremovable skirt which is insane and can cost you a fortune to repair leaks on.

    Performance-wise they are similar depending on the jets you get for the R7 neither spa has any real neck and shoulder jetting the beachcomber has mid-end foot massage.

    Overall the beachcomber for sure but neither are nightmare spas.

  157. Reply
    admin August 25, 2020 at 9:29 am

    should get an email shortly with a link to a form to start the process 🙂 look forward to talking

  158. Reply
    admin August 25, 2020 at 9:29 am

    it’s a cheaper plastic shell with good parts not a nightmare but it really should be priced like rotationally molded spa shells, not like fiberglass acrylic shells.

    better brands near you:

    Garden Leisure – Dolphin Pool & Spa 348 W Spruce St, Harrison

    PDC – Phillips Lifestyles 5161 US-31, Grawn, MI 49637

  159. Reply
    admin August 25, 2020 at 9:23 am

    Hot Springs is not a piece of shit, there are real nightmare spas out there, its just middle of the road priced like the top end.

    if you have a deposit yer likely stuck with the deal, we do tons of private buyers services in Chicago and have good relationships with Artesian, PDC, Master dealers there If you do get back in the shopping game get the service it always saves you at least the cost of the service no matter what you end up buying.

  160. Reply
    admin August 25, 2020 at 8:31 am

    its lower end mass merchant quality, for pricing compare it to any Costco, home depot tub with similar features.

  161. Reply
    admin August 25, 2020 at 8:30 am

    Bullfrog is middle of the road, its not a nightmare brand but the pedestal supported plastic shell, and the gecko control and heating system keep it out of the top end. it should be priced middle of the road but they spend a ton on old school expensive branding and marketing and advertising which drive the price way above its value.

  162. Reply
    admin August 25, 2020 at 8:27 am

    yeah, Dreamaker is good, It is a rotationally molded tub so the price is less than a fiberglass acrylic tub like the Artesian.

    its compares nicely to the Getaway hot tub line, and to a slightly lesser extent the Nordic hottubs

  163. Reply
    admin August 25, 2020 at 8:25 am

    try PDC spas from this guy

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    or artesian spas from this guy

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  164. Reply
    admin August 25, 2020 at 8:22 am

    do you mean the whole assembly? or just the filter cartridge?

  165. Reply
    admin August 25, 2020 at 8:21 am

    Hi Kim

    The base depends a lot on the quality of the shell, but typically a properly laid patio stone base is ideal. Why use spa pads that are more expensive and nowhere near as strong?

    Metal frames are cheap, noisy, and do not last, a timber frame is stronger, lasts longer and is quiet, typically you find steel frames on the gimmicky tubs.

    The base of the tub is not a big concern esp since you are putting your spa on 2″ thick concrete patio stones 🙂

    For insulation just look tot he regulated industries who have done he science instead of listening to some sales and marketing spin… It’s all about R-Value, and R-value is expensive the reason you can’t you build a house in Rochester without a minimum R-20 in the walls is because the science says R-Value is what retains heat but some asshat sales guy is telling you that the R-5 in the side of his hot tub is magically better?

    Of the brands there the only well built one with good parts is the jacuzzi, but they spend too damn much on the marketing and advertising and that drives the cost up way past what it is worth.

    The bullfrog should be a mid-priced spa with its cheaper pedestal supported plastic shell and its second rate parts list.

    The Caldera is just marketing hype, with a really nad proprietary parts list

    Vita is a thin cradle supported shell, no clamps on the plumbing, and lower R-value insulation.

    Honestly go see the PDC spas at this place it’s built as good or better than any of those brands and the performance is better and the parts are top of the line, the insulation is not my top end but pretty close in your area it will run you about $5 a month more to run but compare the pricing and see if it makes sense.

    2 dealers close to you

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  166. Reply
    admin August 25, 2020 at 7:44 am

    yeah its a mess right now

  167. Reply
    admin August 25, 2020 at 7:43 am

    They used to be half decent with the balboa heating and control system but like most Watkins crap they use a shitty proprietary system now 🙁

  168. Reply
    admin August 25, 2020 at 7:41 am

    yeah, that is easier for sure, I do find the undermounts do not last as long they take a lot of stress at the pivot and snap there pretty easily if someone leans against them.

  169. Reply
    admin August 20, 2020 at 12:59 pm

    Of these models the Bullfrog then the D1 for sure. The best thing about the HS is the marketing that makes it seem high end.

  170. Reply
    admin August 20, 2020 at 12:50 pm

    Their high-end island and elite compare if you order the dual foot blaster options but they still lack the good neck and shoulder jet system as they only have the little 1.5″ low flow jets and the TS has 4 of the 3.5″ high flows but other than that they are similar
    except

  171. Reply
    admin August 20, 2020 at 12:48 pm

    depends on the market and stock or order

  172. Reply
    admin August 20, 2020 at 12:32 pm

    No, the prices are higher but we still earn our keep on the PBS sometimes customers just want the price, sometimes they want fast turnovers sometimes just the advice guidance and back up down the road. with any of these scenarios, we will be worth the fee for sure.

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    admin August 20, 2020 at 12:31 pm

    You can typically enter over any side look at the top shot the filter is not ideal but over the control or any other side is fine, just make sure the side with the parts is accessible. if you mount the lifter arm on the side with the parts then you need ot take it off every time you have service which is a pain in the ass but not critical.

  174. Reply
    admin August 20, 2020 at 12:28 pm

    Yeah its pretty low mid it uses an inexpensive cradle supported shell, they don’t clamp the plumbing and it uses a low R-value inexpensive insulation system…

  175. Reply
    admin August 20, 2020 at 11:34 am

    last I saw the shell was a plastic shell with rigidity spray, we had around 15 shell failures on that brand in our local market.

  176. Reply
    admin August 19, 2020 at 1:20 pm

    Hi Paul

    We are getting better but still, sometimes we are 3-4 days behind, I appreciate the support, most of our income comes from customers and that really makes it easy to be more objective 🙂

    Costco sucks at hot tubs, its all cheap crap, and regular cheap crap prices. Aquaterra is the name Strong is hiding behind after that viral video exposing the crap build quality of the Costco and every other mass merchants crappy hot tubs…

    You have a nordic spa dealer there called Minnesota hot tubs Nordic is solid, also the biggest dealer in the world has a store there, these guys sell 7000 spas a year on the west coast most retailers sell 200-400 a year…

    Master pool and spa sell the Master spas lines the getaway line is like the nordic with better insulation.

    All tubs have gov approved lockdown covers

    the Nordic and Getaway are pretty plain and don’t have any neck shoulder jetting

    If you look at the clarity spas from master they have a good neck jet system. you should come close to budget on that line.

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    admin August 19, 2020 at 9:12 am

    meh middle fo the road, similar to most of the stuff out there at mass merchants

  178. Reply
    admin August 19, 2020 at 8:39 am

    Aquamaster is not a manufacturer its a buying group that gets Dynasty spas to build them a line under a private label, its a low-end mass merchant quality product from a builder with loads fo history of putting out trouble…

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    admin August 19, 2020 at 8:37 am

    The artesian is better made, uses better parts, and will outperform. Bullfrog is gimmicky and they spend way too much money on marketing, advertising, and branding to fool you into thinking this mid-end product is high end. The shell is a weak cradle supported shell and the control system while not being proprietary is not my tier one gear.

  180. Reply
    admin August 19, 2020 at 8:34 am

    Strong is junk just like all the mass merchant spas

  181. Reply
    admin August 19, 2020 at 8:33 am

    yep for sure we can get you good pricing and 8-10 week delivery there for sure.

  182. Reply
    admin August 19, 2020 at 8:31 am

    Lifters are not necessary but they extend the life of the cover and make it a lot easier to handle esp on larger tubs

  183. Reply
    admin August 19, 2020 at 8:11 am

    The older ones were decent.

  184. Reply
    admin August 19, 2020 at 8:11 am

    Artesian and master are neck and neck, the only time I edge one out over the other is if yer looking at the high-end massage spas the Twilight and LSX neck and shoulder jetting is all the 3.5″ high flow jets the Artesians are all the little 1.5″ low flows for neck and shoulder.

    Aqua Master is lower-end mass merchant quality stuff, should be a lot cheaper initially but you will catch up soon as you fix it again and again…

  185. Reply
    admin August 18, 2020 at 4:55 pm

    It’s a little high id hit them for some love in the $500 range either discount or store credit or extras.

  186. Reply
    admin August 18, 2020 at 4:53 pm

    The Ts price is good the LSx is high we would be able to save you the fee for sure on that one and likely on the TS if we can’t we will refund it to a basic consult fee.

    also, you get us behind you down the road if you have issues and you can come to us for advice.

  187. Reply
    admin August 18, 2020 at 4:50 pm

    1. Really need access to the side with the pumps and pack, the other sides as long as it can be drained and moved is not critical.

    2. Cover lift for sure, it extends the life of the cover and is easy…

    3. A simple regimen of spa marvel ill send you the tip sheet. get it here and help put my asshole kids through college 🙂 actually they are great kids but all kids generally suck at this age 🙂

    4. A patio stone base is fine, concrete if you want on the deck sucks.

    5. Don’t eat yellow snow…

  188. Reply
    admin August 18, 2020 at 4:45 pm

    Depends, if you have the balboa system and the full foam upgrade it’s ok the shell is still mid-end despite all the BS marketing but aLL around, not a bad tub.

    The only big downside is the jets in the floor… no one does plumbing under the floor anymore, they are prone to leak because they get stepped on all the time and are a nightmare to fix and bleed tons of heat into he ground through conduction. what’s the price?

  189. Reply
    admin August 18, 2020 at 4:44 pm

    Depends, if you have the balboa system and the full foam upgrade it’s ok the shell is still mid-end despite all the BS marketing but aLL around, not a bad tub.

    The only big downside is the jets in the floor… no one does plumbing under the floor anymore, they are prone to leak because they get stepped on all the time and are a nightmare to fix and bleed tons of heat into he ground through conduction. whats the price?

  190. Reply
    admin August 18, 2020 at 4:44 pm

    Depends, if you have the balboa system and the full foam upgrade it’s ok the shell is still mid-end despite all the BS marketing but aLL around, not a bad tub.

    The only big downside is the jets in the floor… no one does plumbing under the floor anymore, they are prone to leak because they get stepped on all the time and are a nightmare to fix and bleed tons of heat into he ground through conduction.

  191. Reply
    admin August 18, 2020 at 4:40 pm

    PDC is a great tub and that’s a solid price.

    the twilight full foam system will save you around $5/month but that’s nothing, the jetting on the twilight in the neck-shoulder area is better but both are great tubs.

  192. Reply
    admin August 18, 2020 at 4:36 pm

    That’s not a Coast spa it’s a CalSpa its, not a terrible brand but it depends what you ordered… they do two heating and control systems you want to make sure you have the Balboa system not the Waterways system, also make sure you order the full foam upgrade.

  193. Reply
    admin August 18, 2020 at 4:33 pm

    if it’s a chlorine system yer fine, if it’s a bromine system then disable it. personally I would still add the spa marvel… all the salt system does is make chlorine… so turn the generator down to the low setting so its running around 0.5 to 1 ppm and add spa marvel every 3 months… that will help a ton and keep the levels stable and protect the jets and make the water last a lot longer.

  194. Reply
    admin August 18, 2020 at 4:30 pm

    The Master for sure, The best thing about hot springs is the marketing that makes you think this spa is high end.

  195. Reply
    admin August 18, 2020 at 4:21 pm

    Honestly, there is no real difference other than the jets

  196. Reply
    admin August 18, 2020 at 3:15 pm

    dynasty spas review says it all man. nothing against your friend but most peeps do not know shit from Shinola when it comes to hot tubs.

  197. Reply
    admin August 18, 2020 at 2:32 pm

    yeah same shit with a few mods for the regs

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    admin August 18, 2020 at 2:29 pm

    yah know a week ago I would have warned you off of the Jacuzzi, it was really a shit show for a while there but they always built a good shell and they are using Balboa control and heating systems now and they glue and clamp the joints and use a good insulation system. they are still overpriced but at least they are good quality overpriced.

    curious what were the prices of the two units?

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    admin August 18, 2020 at 2:24 pm

    Hey Jon

    cal is middle fo the road, the shell despite the marketing bullshit is a regular cradle supported shell with these tiny little strips of paper-thin metal 🙂 I laughed my ass off when I saw them after all the hype on the website…

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    admin August 18, 2020 at 2:21 pm

    Hey Robert

    what are you looking for?

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    admin August 18, 2020 at 2:20 pm

    Ok, so Cal and Bullfrog are mid-end, not nightmare brands but the shells and some parts keep them out fo the top group for sure.

    The Coast is in the middle

    The Artesian and Master would be on top and of higher-end therapy massage is the goal the Twilight and LSX are the only ones with a good hi-flow therapy massage neck jets system.

    also, check out PDC.

    Honestly just buy the private buyers service, we have so many good contacts there that we can for sure save you a more than the fee on any of those brands.

  202. Reply
    admin August 18, 2020 at 2:14 pm

    Hi Darin, so I can’t recommend the Dynasty, its always been a bit of a shit show.

    But you have a Coast, a Master, and a Beachcomber dealer there and they are all way better options.

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    admin August 18, 2020 at 2:11 pm

    They are not a nightmare brand but not quite to tier-one specs. I toured the factory and can tell you that the bullshit about the shell is hype, it’s a mid-grade cradle supported shell… The rest is a mixed bag. they suffer from the empire days and now as a small player they still are trying to wear the big boy pants and it looks like the shit themselves 🙂

    They really need someone to get in there reduce their skews to manageable levels and fine-tune the production line, there were way too many tubs on the test end being flagged for inconsistencies and that just means not only inefficiencies but also inconsistent quality control.

    For now there still in the netherworld, of too many options some with good parts some with mid parts it’s just too damn random, and then there was the highlight of the tour with the little guy running around swinging his big dick (it was a Bently..LMFAO)

  204. Reply
    admin August 18, 2020 at 10:01 am

    Hi Susan

    Beachcomber is a well-made spa with a good hand-rolled fiberglass self-supporting shell and good parts and build standard, its a good reliable tub. One vital flaw. The skirt is nonremovable which means yer in for a nightmare if and when it leaks.

    CSC is a Chinese made thin shell supported by HD foam that makes the plumbing inaccessible and uses a mixed bag of parts and a lower end insulation system. In other words, it’s a typical low-end mass merchant quality hot tub from China.

    I love that Costco is selling beachcomber because it bears out what I have always said… Mass merchants suck at this product and the pricing is not good prices on good hot tubs it’s just regular pricing on cheap hot tubs and sure enough, when they try and sell a good hot tub they are more expensive than any retailer with a good line 🙂 a low end 21 jets well-made tub for $7k is not a good deal… It’s just regular retail price, contact, any retailer selling a good brand and they can get you as good or better pricing and then yer dealing local which is always better from every aspect.

    You should be able to get a Northwinds from cost spas or a Getaway from Master or a Garden Spa from Artesian for the same money or less than the Beachcomber.

    These guys sell there look at the getaway Bar harbor LE, bigger, same build quality and parts and removable skirts

    I know them super well LOL 😉

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    admin August 14, 2020 at 11:32 am

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Also download this app It lets you Manage your hot tub chemistry without hassle, diagnose and fix water issues, troubleshoot any problems and even request service on your tub. Spa Star will do all that and more and best of all IT’S FREE!
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    admin August 14, 2020 at 10:30 am

    The Tropic seas are better built than either of the others by a long shot, Bullfrog would be a distant second and the Vita is mass merchant quality.

  207. Reply
    admin August 14, 2020 at 10:06 am

    Hi

    The spa is good general build quality, and upper-mid performance but three things to consider.

    1) Coast always reports these big depths but its mainly because they put them on pedestals to inflate the number… It’s got a 6″ base under it and 13″ trim line so actual water depth is shallower than most 60″ swim spas 🙂
    2) That price is super high!
    3) Its a terrible layout with a massive amount of wasted space, the entire last 5′ are lost to the water features and goofy seats. this thing has less usable space than a really well laid out 15′ swimmer.
    4) These guys are around 6 months for a delivery minimum.

    Daniel buy the private buyers service we will save you a ton on this spa or any other you decide upon I do around 5 private buyers a week in that area and have good reliable contacts for all the good brands, plus you have like 5 independent service guys there so going to a wholesaler is an option as well…

  208. Reply
    admin August 14, 2020 at 9:20 am

    yeah, Bill…

    thanks, Luke… want a job?

  209. Reply
    admin August 14, 2020 at 9:19 am

    las vegas by May manufacturing

  210. Reply
    admin August 14, 2020 at 8:39 am

    They are high but right now everything is high prices I’m assuming yer paying a premium for fast delivery time?

  211. Reply
    admin August 13, 2020 at 12:21 pm

    dont know the dealers 🙁 the spa is good though 🙂 and the price is good

  212. Reply
    admin August 13, 2020 at 12:20 pm

    Try these guys, they have service there i think.

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    admin August 13, 2020 at 12:18 pm

    Get yer dad on spa marvel too, it makes a massive difference and is so easy to manage.

    bang for the buck for a solid reliable spa with a good build and basic jetting is the Getaway hot tubs or the Nordic hot tubs… The bar harbor SE, in particular, is hard to beat.

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    admin August 13, 2020 at 11:59 am

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    admin August 13, 2020 at 11:57 am

    Hi Dan

    Tidal fit is a good build quality but it is shallow and fairly mid-end performance and flow rates.

    The layout is a little goofy the actual swim sid is tiny with a big hot tub, I prefer a bigger deeper swim area thew 54″ shell means you are just mid-belly into the water if you get up to a 60″ it makes a massive difference.

  216. Reply
    admin August 13, 2020 at 11:54 am

    Its ok middle of the road spa similar to what you get from a mass merchant.

    Metal frames and pillar supports is not a plus, it because it uses a thin shell that requires pedestal supporting to keep it from falling apart instead of just spending the money to build a high-end hand-rolled self-supporting shell.

  217. Reply
    admin August 12, 2020 at 6:19 am

    You will receive an email today with a number text when yer ready to talk and Ill ring ya!

  218. Reply
    admin August 12, 2020 at 6:18 am

    Yeah run the hell away, its a low end poorly insulated low-performance spa.

    Yer trading build quality for flash and shiny bubbles, yer way better off with a well built well-insulated more basic hot tub that’s going to last.

    Mass merchants suck at these products because they just don’t have a clue what they are doing. I’ve always said they are not great prices on great hot tubs they are overpriced low-end spas. The proof of this is Costco… look what happened when they tried to sell a good high build quality spa-like the beachcomber, They end up selling a 23 jet bottom line entry-level spa for $9k which is more than any decent retailer can sell you a comparable unit for 🙂

  219. Reply
    admin August 12, 2020 at 6:12 am

    Hi Brian

    Dude these two tubs are opposite ends… don’t get me wrong they are both well-made tubs but the Nordic is an entry-level roto mold (although a higher-end one) The Twilight is a crazy High-end acrylic shell with a jet package worth 4x what the Encore has they should be thousands of dollars in the price difference. The encore should come in around $6500 the Twilight around $10-11k

    the encore would compare nicely with the Getaway bar harbor rotationally molded spa.

  220. Reply
    admin August 12, 2020 at 6:07 am

    Its typical of pricing I am seeing right now, the reality is there are no deals right now from factories to retailers or from them to you.

    running cost should be around a buck a day

  221. Reply
    admin August 12, 2020 at 6:01 am

    for the hot tub it does not matter but if you want steps or other things around the tub then you can make it bigger.

  222. Reply
    admin August 11, 2020 at 1:18 pm

    all that seems fine and I would not anticipate any issues.

    the pad needs to be at least the size fo the tub, flat, and level.

  223. Reply
    admin August 11, 2020 at 8:22 am

    NO!

    You need to fill from a source that does not go through the softener.

    hard water is not an issue esp if yer using spa marvel or Aquafinesse… soft water is really aggressive and will destroy your tub as it steals calcium from the tub to get back to neutral…

  224. Reply
    admin August 11, 2020 at 8:21 am

    Hi Robyn

    The dealer in Kelowna is a top-notch dealer with award-winning service and installs reach out to Sean and Sonya the owners and ask the question if they can service you they will and if they cant they will tell you.

    The TS is gonna beat the crap out of any of the local brands for performance massage although the Coast seems like a well-built model Corona has kept me from doing the factory tour and the reality is they do not do any massage tubs that would compare with the Twilight, esp the neck and shoulder massage. The only other one I would even consider would be the beachcomber, much lower massage performance but really well built, the only real bad is the non-removable skirt which is idiocy if you get a leak, and it does happen, you can be thousands to get it fixed even under warranty because it needs to be taken to a repair center the only other alternative is to flip it and try do fix it which only works if its a really obvious crack, any smaller leaks and you need to elevate it and run it… it’s stupid, I can’t believe they haven’t fixed this major issue.

    Unfortunately, the other brands in Kelowna are Hot Springs, jacuzzi, Sundance, and Arctic… These are the terrible trio (sundance and Jac are owned by the same equity investment firm) Awesome expensive branding and marketing and advertising that fools you into believing these middle fo the road products are super high end, they are worth about 60% of what they sell them for but someone has to pay for the millions they spend on old school marketing… They have mid-build and loads of crappy proprietary parts designed to be a major profit center with you being the cash cow for years as they sell you these overpriced mid-grade parts again and again.

    Goto the 7.2 similar prices and better performance

  225. Reply
    admin August 11, 2020 at 6:58 am

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.

    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Also download this app It lets you Manage your hot tub chemistry without hassle, diagnose and fix water issues, troubleshoot any problems and even request service on your tub. Spa Star will do all that and more and best of all IT’S FREE!
    https://www.spa-star.net/

  226. Reply
    admin August 11, 2020 at 6:11 am

    Not sure, nut if I’m a manufacturer using a Balboa Pump I can rate it either way.

  227. Reply
    admin August 11, 2020 at 6:10 am

    the flow on the pumps will be matched to the flow on the jetting so yes 🙂

  228. Reply
    admin August 10, 2020 at 5:41 pm

    Bullfrog is way better… At marketing…

    Artesian is way better… at building quality hot tubs.

    The Bullfrogs cheaper ABS plastic pedestal supported shell and gecko control and heating system keep it out of my top group and the marketing hype about better flow rates is not grounded in good science.

  229. Reply
    admin August 10, 2020 at 5:38 pm

    Yep

  230. Reply
    admin August 10, 2020 at 5:25 pm

    pump ratings in this industry are a joke, water pumps should not really be rated in Hp. they should be compared using flow rate, total dynamic head, specific gravity, and efficiency but it goes further. The motor amperage and the specific resistance of the plumbing system and efficiency of the plumbing are big effectors. I’ve been trying to drill down on a good way to rate flow systems in hot tubs for years and the reality is unless you could duplicate the entire plumbing system and measure the actual volumes of water moved and head pressure on each jet you will never really get a good answer 🙁 things like how clean the run is to the suction is massive, things like shut off valves, or turns in the pipe too close to the intake cause turbulence that massively effect hammering in the head and can not only affect the longevity of the pump but also the flow rate.

    The general for just the pump is Brake Horsepower [HP] = Flow Rate [GPM] × Pressure [PSI] / (1714 × Efficiency) assuming a large pump we can go to 90% for efficiency or higher but the efficiency decreases with smaller pumps

    The hydraulic power is the net energy transferred to the water per unit time. The input power delivered by the motor to the pump is called brake horsepower (bHp). The difference between the brake horsepower and hydraulic power is the pump efficiency.

    Master uses balboa pumps on some of their units it does not change how the marketing peeps present the data.

    Most companies use Break Hp

  231. Reply
    admin August 10, 2020 at 5:13 pm

    Not anything serious, the Clarity is a new design with better space and larger footwell, and the neck-shoulder jetting is better I would say it is slightly ahead.

  232. Reply
    admin August 10, 2020 at 5:10 pm

    My recommendations for swimmers are the same companies for hot tubs. they are in fact just a large hot tub with the only real difference being the swim propulsion system and that’s where we get into what you want.

    Honestly, Russel get the private buyers service, we will save you more than the cost of the service or refund it to a basic consultation fee, and on swimmers, we always save you way more than the fee plus we work for you and do not take money from dealers so we can be objective because it does not affect our revenue, we genuinely work for you.

    For regular residential swimmers the H2X or PDC Summit series or even Tidal fit.

    for triathletes and serious trainers, The Challenger swimmers are the ones they flow above average iron man swim times.

    For crazy national team level swimming, the Phelps and true swim are the top

  233. Reply
    admin August 10, 2020 at 4:59 pm

    The Cover Valet is a good lifter.

    Yes you still use chlorine in every system. although with spa marvel you will use less than any other system in my experience.

    Ill email you a tip sheet

  234. Reply
    admin August 10, 2020 at 4:57 pm

    Absolutely go see these guys, we do a ton of private buyers through them (we never take money from these dealers) they are awesome.

    Master Spas of Southern WI
    Phone 414-607-8827
    Fax :414-607-8826
    Email kwhueff@gmail.com
    ben@masterspaswi.com
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    admin August 10, 2020 at 4:56 pm

    It depends on your personal aversion to risk. In the end, an extended warranty program is a profit center but there will for sure bo some peeps that win this game. some customers just want the peace of mind.

    The reality is if you tub has a bad part or fabrication issue it will pop up immediately and be easily fixed, if not then typically you will not need service until year 4-6 IF you are good with your water care regimen.

    I would expect $250-$300 a year for extended wanrranty

  236. Reply
    admin August 10, 2020 at 4:53 pm

    Damn

    definitely an issue although rare on this brand they have good QC I would assume that they have a small micro crack in the suction fitting, insist that they replace the entire fitting.

    In this case in the normal world, they and most retailers would likely replace it, but the reality is You would be 6 or 7 months for s new tub so in COVID days get them to fix it.

  237. Reply
    admin August 10, 2020 at 4:49 pm

    $7k is unattainable on a well-made spa in the 7 foot range, and itegrity is like any spa you would get from home depot, costco etc. 🙁

  238. Reply
    admin August 10, 2020 at 4:48 pm

    It has a good hi-efficiency plumbing system using expensive sweep 90 and 45 fittings, clean straight intake lines, and manifold distribution, glued and clamped fittings, whoever told you that lied to you.

  239. Reply
    admin August 10, 2020 at 4:44 pm

    $10k range

  240. Reply
    admin August 10, 2020 at 9:48 am

    Hi Mary

    You have a good selection of brands around you and one group that not only sells good stuff but that I work with a lot and are great.

    My goto would be ben At master spas of SWI

    Master Spas of Southern WI
    Phone 414-607-8827
    Fax :414-607-8826
    ben@masterspaswi.com

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    Rec concepts in madison also sell artesian but I’m not sure about the dealer.

  241. Reply
    admin August 7, 2020 at 1:46 pm

    Nope just not gotten to it yet… 🙂

  242. Reply
    admin August 7, 2020 at 1:23 pm

    no issues so likely not a nightmare… some of these can be good buys

  243. Reply
    admin August 7, 2020 at 1:19 pm

    Thanks look forward to it, you should have an email by now 🙂

  244. Reply
    admin August 5, 2020 at 12:45 pm

    mass merchant quality same as most of the hot tubs

  245. Reply
    admin August 5, 2020 at 12:45 pm

    Its a Dynasty spas 🙁

  246. Reply
    admin August 5, 2020 at 12:36 pm

    Not Sure on UK pricing.

    CMP compression fit system is the best right now. I like waterways but this new system is a game-changer, its a bit more expensive but seems to be super reliable.

  247. Reply
    admin August 5, 2020 at 12:06 pm

    With COVID it’s hard.

    Get on our private buyer’s service we can get you any spa you want at a great price or we refund it.

    Hire me and my team to be your private buyer… We guarantee to save you at least the fee off whatever you decide to buy or we refund it back to a basic consultation fee. 95% of the time we save you more than the fee and we work for you, we don’t take commissions from dealers or factories for these deals so we can be objective because no matter what you buy it does not affect our income… We will advise, contact dealers, and negotiate prices to make sure you get the best deal on reliable products and we stand behind you if there are any conflicts down the road…

  248. Reply
    admin August 5, 2020 at 12:01 pm

    which jet package?
    what options?
    where?

  249. Reply
    admin August 5, 2020 at 11:41 am

    Hi

    They use CMP which is what master uses now, they are a compression fit socket which is awesome it eliminated the shell to jet leaks that are so common on older tubs and it does not matter that the gimmicky jet is proprietary because the reality is it does the same thing as any jet 🙂 the socket is not proprietary so you can put and CMP jet into it 🙂

    Prices are high right now so you will save when the market cools, Im sure we could save you money on the buyers service.

  250. Reply
    admin August 5, 2020 at 11:32 am

    I toured the factory and in the end, decided they were not quite there for my top recommended brands, The marketing surrounding the stell strong frame was a big let down, the stip of metal was so flimsy that it really did not off any significant structure and in the end, it was a regular middle of the road cradle supported shell, way too many lines and options for a what is now a fairly small manufacturer and old designs and a mix of good and mid grade parts… if you order it right and can figure out all the options and skews its not a bad tub.

  251. Reply
    admin August 5, 2020 at 11:24 am

    PDC is a solid well-built spa but I don’t know the dealer

  252. Reply
    admin August 5, 2020 at 11:09 am

    Hi Patrick

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical, and because it stabilizes pH it is easier to manage the water, healthier, and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee on the jets.

    Hot springs do not do any really high-end therapy spas, nor are they super well built, nor do they use really good parts. What they are awesome at is really high-end marketing, Branding, and advertising that make these middle of the road products seem like next-generation high-end spas.

    The really nasty part of this whole thing is the proprietary parts, and just because it has a good warranty don’t take that as an indication that it is high-end they just built the cost into the price 🙂

    When it comes to really good massage the number of jets means a lot less than the size of the jet. little jets are cheap around $10, move tiny amounts of water and do very little for massage, 3.5″ mid flows are worth like $35 and start to flow much higher volumes of water and move the whole muscles mass and for long term do a lot more, the big 5″ high flow therapy massage jets again are $50-$60 each and are really where you are getting into a good therapy massage spa. the massive 10″ monster jets with a diverter are around $500 and blow you out of the water for foot, leg massage.

    If you look at the jetting on the prism mostly its the cheapo little low flow jets, its has no real neck and shoulder jetting just the little low flows and only the 5″ high flows for feet instead of the big 10″ monsters… so why is this mid-build, mid-performance spa that should sell for $10 – $12k selling for $17k???

    In Your area, You have Artesian and Coast dealer these are much better built better performance spas, better OEM parts and better build.

    I would look at the following spas:

    https://www.masterspas.com/legend-series/mp_legend-lsx-900-hot-tub
    https://www.coastspas.com/spa-model.php?s=cs-mirage-curve-82
    https://artesianspas.com/artesian-elite/pelican-bay/
    https://artesianspas.com/island-spas/isla-margarita-elite/
    https://www.masterspas.com/clarity/cls-balance-9
    https://southseasspas.com/965l-deluxe/

    Honestly man do what around 1000 Americans this year will do… Hire me and my team to be your private buyer… We guarantee to save you at least the fee off whatever you decide to buy or we refund it back to a basic consultation fee. 95% of the time we save you more than the fee and we work for you, we don’t take commissions from dealers or factories for these deals so we can be objective because no matter what you buy it does not affect our income… We will advise, contact dealers, and negotiate prices to make sure you get the best deal on reliable products and we stand behind you if there are any conflicts down the road…

  253. Reply
    admin August 5, 2020 at 10:48 am

    My advice is don’t do it.

    Humidity is a big issue and requires expensive remediation.

    The room need to be designed as a wet room able to handle the possibility of the tub dumping 300 gallons of water and handling regular over splash which again is expensive.

    Access to all sides needs to be considered for future possibilities which are tricky.

  254. Reply
    admin August 5, 2020 at 10:21 am

    Hi William

    All filters can be cleaned in a dishwasher.

    All spas can have yearly water changes and have lower chemical levels than the hot springs salt system, and easier to maintain water… No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical, and because it stabilizes pH it is easier to manage the water, healthier, and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee on the jets.

    Hot springs do not do any really high-end therapy spas, nor are they super well built, nor do they use really good parts. What they are awesome at is really high-end marketing, Branding, and advertising that make these middle of the road products seem like next-generation high-end spas.

    the really nasty part of this whole thing is the proprietary parts, and just because it has a good warranty don’t take that as an indication that it is high end they just built the cost into the price 🙂

    When it comes to really good massage the number of jets means a lot less than the size of the jet. little jets are cheap around $10, move tiny amounts of water and do very little for massage, 3.5″ mid flows are worth like $35 and start to flow much higher volumes of water and move the whole muscles mass and for long term do a lot more, the big 5″ high flow therapy massage jets again are $50-$60 each and are really where you are getting into a good therapy massage spa. the massive 10″ monster jets with a diverter are around $500 and blow you out of the water for foot, leg massage.

    In Your area, You have Coast, dressmaker, and Nordic that are all good spas then Calspas which if yer careful and order right can be decent, then a bunch of overpriced over-marketed crap and a bunch of dodgy shite.

    Honestly man do what around 1000 Americans this year will do… Hire me and my team to be your private buyer… We guarantee to save you at least the fee off whatever you decide to buy or we refund it back to a basic consultation fee. 95% of the time we save you more than the fee and we work for you, we don’t take commissions from dealers or factories for these deals so we can be objective because no matter what you buy it does not affect our income… We will advise, contact dealers, and negotiate prices to make sure you get the best deal on reliable products and we stand behind you if there are any conflicts down the road…

  255. Reply
    admin August 3, 2020 at 9:47 am

    new they are right around $8k and yes they are a top tub

  256. Reply
    admin August 3, 2020 at 9:46 am

    Wendy you can for sure get a solid tub for that money.

    The Strong spas are not a great option here is a review and from everything, I see they are similar quality now…

    get the private buyers service we will save you more than the fee no matter what you want to buy, we have a lot of good relationships with dealers, factories, and service peeps.

  257. Reply
    admin August 3, 2020 at 9:26 am

    Hey Butch.

    Give me a sip of that whiskey will ya?

    Who are the dealers and what pricing are you at?

  258. Reply
    admin August 3, 2020 at 9:24 am

    The two tubs are very similar, PDC’s quality control is the best I’ve ever seen.

    You would likely need to go to the Garden spa line and the massage quality is gonna go down drastically.

    You should get the private buyers’ service we can save you money in that market for sure.

  259. Reply
    admin August 3, 2020 at 9:19 am

    The standard light system is already OTT the skirt lighting is nice but don’t get the lit jets it’s too damn bright

  260. Reply
    admin August 3, 2020 at 9:18 am

    Catalina is run of the mill mass merchant build standard like most of the stuff out there.

  261. Reply
    admin August 3, 2020 at 9:17 am

    on the way!

  262. Reply
    admin August 3, 2020 at 9:16 am

    Shit yeah… grab that fast dude.

  263. Reply
    admin August 2, 2020 at 12:10 pm

    I’m not sure what the elite is, they do H2X, Challenger, and Phelps. all the same except for swim performance the trainer is for regular to fit people for basic workouts, the challenger is for Iron man level competitive swimmers and Phelps is straight-up national team level swimmers.

    Either way, go see Dave and Jason

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    admin August 2, 2020 at 11:41 am

    yep

  265. Reply
    admin August 2, 2020 at 11:41 am

    That’s about right list is $14 but because the industry is so smoking busy right now the parts manufacturers have no deals for the factories who have no deals for the retailers who have no deals for you… 🙁

    First world problems eh?

  266. Reply
    admin August 2, 2020 at 11:38 am

    I have Scott looking into this sorry!!

  267. Reply
    admin August 2, 2020 at 11:37 am

    There are no deals in hot tub land right now especially with 4 buyers for every tub and because the industry is so insanely busy manufactures of the parts don’t have any deals for the factories who in turn don’t have any deals for the retailers who in turn don’t have any deals for the end-user plus its more costly right no to do business with all the COVID restrictions.

  268. Reply
    admin August 2, 2020 at 11:34 am

    They are a solid dealer besides you can’t buy from another dealer if you have a local dealer and service would be an issue they likely would not service it if you didn’t buy it from them or they would charge a big callout charge. You have to remember that part of the cost you pay when you buy a hot tub is to cover the service aspect.

  269. Reply
    admin August 2, 2020 at 11:32 am

    Hi Jodi

    I agree the hydraulic ones suck, high failure rate and they wreck the covers.

    best is a simple top mount like the Cover valet.

  270. Reply
    admin August 2, 2020 at 11:30 am

    check your spam it was sent a while ago

  271. Reply
    admin August 2, 2020 at 11:29 am

    Depends on usage but typically I would set for 3-4 hours every 12 hours.

  272. Reply
    admin August 2, 2020 at 11:28 am

    Hi Brad.

    Niether are terrible choices.

    the TS beats the BF on a few key points:

    – The Bf is a lower end cradle supported shell the TS is a top-end hand-rolled fiberglass self-supporting shell. See this article on shell construction
    – The BF uses gecko heating and Control system I really prefer the balboa system, in my experience, it outlasts and outperforms.
    – The massage jetting on the TS blows the BF away esp the neck and shoulder jetting and the foot jetting.

  273. Reply
    admin August 2, 2020 at 11:24 am

    Hi Sharon

    Flex jets is a marketing scam… they just count all the little holes in each jet to make it sound good, no one else does this it’s a well made but low performance 23 jet hot tub with one major bad and that’s the fact that the skirt is not removable. If you have a leak and it happens, you are looking at big big costs to get the tub removed to a test facility repaired and returned and the warranty does not cover the removal or replacement… its nuts… it makes a low-cost minor issue become an expensive nightmare.

    And the price is not great… Even the “Sale” price is as high or higher than you can buy comparable tubs from any good retailer…

  274. Reply
    admin August 2, 2020 at 11:20 am

    Hi Blake

    Neither are on my nightmare list Sundance is not the same company it was bought out by an equity investment firm whose strength seems to be really slick marketing, adverting and branding that takes middle fo the road products and makes them appear as a super high end product… Both brands are the middle ground and overpriced IMHO. The Sundance has a lot of proprietary parts which I am dead against and the BF has a lesser quality ABS pedestal supported shell and Not my recommended heating and control system.

    You Have Cal-Spa there and while they are not my top tier they are on par with those two brands or slightly above and should be priced better, You also have the largest seller of hot tubs in the world located there they sell around 7000 hot tubs a year up and down the west coast for comparison the average good dealer sells around 300 spas a year 🙂 check out Calspas of Minnesota and master pool and spa.

  275. Reply
    admin August 2, 2020 at 11:11 am

    A well-built tub from a reputable manufacturer.

  276. Reply
    admin August 2, 2020 at 11:09 am

    Hi Gerry

    Not sure, I know for sure that some customers have reported paying extra for full foam on that line but then other dealers have told me its standard. You can never get anyone at the factory to comment.

    It might just be that unscrupulous dealers are charging customers for upgraded insulation even though it’s standard 🙂

  277. Reply
    admin August 2, 2020 at 11:02 am

    Hi Kim

    Gerald is awesome, You cant buy factory direct from master when there is a local dealer frankly I don’t think they ever sell directly unless you are literally in Fort Wayne and then only demos and blems.

  278. Reply
    admin August 2, 2020 at 11:01 am

    hey sorry, we missed your window.

    did you buy one?

  279. Reply
    admin August 2, 2020 at 11:00 am

    Hi Bob sorry for the late response, I’ve been on vacay 🙂

    the best bet is the master spas at Above and Beyond, its the only tier one brand on my list around you most of the rest is big fancy marketing wrapped around the middle of the road products.

    swim fun pool and patio do Bullfrog which would be the next best but with the cheaper ABS plastic shell and Gecko heating and control system its a distant second.

  280. Reply
    admin August 2, 2020 at 8:09 am

    Hi Jill

    Nordic is a good spa. Bang for the buck the rotationally molded spas are good value and durable as hell, it uses good parts and good fabrication the only end it is weak on is the insulation.

    I would also go see the guys at Master Spas of Southern WI Phone 414-607-8827 Email kwhueff@gmail.com 2242 W Bluemound Rd Ste A, Waukesha Tell Kieth, and Ben that I sent you. look at the Getaway bar harbor SE, https://masterspaswi.com/hot-tubs-and-spas/getaway-hot-tubs/bar-harbor-se/ its roomier and has a thicker shell and better insulation, it might be a bit more expensive but should be pretty close.

  281. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 8:24 am

    The Bullfrog has a thinner cradle supported ABS plastic shell its a lot less expensive to make, also the electronic control and heating system is a gecko, Balboa is a lot better, the jet package on the Twilight is way higher and it has better neck and shoulder jetting and betteer foot jetting…

    The only reason the Bullfrog is more expensive is that they piss away tons of money on fancy branding, marketing, and advertising to make this mid-end product seem high end…

  282. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 8:19 am

    good deal and no issues with a floor model, the water is meticulously maintained on displays for obvious reasons… and most spas are 6 months out right now!

  283. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 8:18 am

    The transducers sound good but the reliability is similar, there have been issues with shell degradation where the transducer meets the shell because in effect you are always flexing the shell to create sound… most guys went away from the tech a decade ago because of issues.

  284. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 8:15 am

    same tubs and pumps just smaller footwell really

  285. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 8:14 am

    good price but for sure see if they will take less 🙂

  286. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 8:13 am

    You should have an email with some preliminary questions, look forward to working together.

  287. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 8:11 am

    Hi Pete.

    We can find some good options for you for sure, depending on where you live but $30k will be close there is not going ot be any great reduction in that number without serous quality drops.

  288. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 8:09 am

    Hey Bob

    Would love to pick yer brain for more info 🙂

    where do you live? ill see if I can find something for you.

  289. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 8:08 am

    look forward to talking

    just emailed you

  290. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 8:05 am

    seen the pics but not the factory COVID came just before my trip there 🙁

    lots of good options in vegas…

    get back to me with what you find.

  291. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 8:02 am

    Hi Doni

    Honestly, man If I wanted all the bling I would not order it on my hot tub… hot tubs suck for TV’s Stereos etc…. there are better cheaper options for back yard AV.

    The cushier the headrests the shorter the lifespan 🙂 it can be a couple of hun to re pillow a basic tub and $500 or more for the fancy wrap around cushy ones.

    For massage, the number of jets means a lot less than the size of the jet. little jets are cheap around $10, move tiny amounts of water and do very little for massage, 3.5″ mid flows are worth like $35 and start to flow much higher volumes of water and move the whole muscles mass and for long term do a lot more, the big 5″ high flow therapy massage jets again are $50-$60 each and are really where you are getting into a good therapy massage spa. the massive 10″ monster jets with a diverter are around $500 and blow you out of the water for foot, leg massage.

    Best ones to fit this list are the TWwilight series by Master (best jetting package), and the Artesian spas

  292. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 7:56 am

    Both are good tubs, the PDC will run around $30/year more in energy but has better build quality.

    Check out krevco for the Master twilight as well.

  293. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 7:54 am

    Hey Billy

    The Artesian would be a better bet, the Marquis is a big unknown, a lot of misinformation and some serious QC issues on the ones we saw.

    loungers are something that first-time buyers always buy and second-time buyers hardly ever buy, they wast a lot of space and yer floating… a lounger doesn’t do much…

    captains chairs can be great look at the size of the jetting esp for the neck-shoulder area… small jets are chap and do very little for long term therapy massage bigger is better 🙂

  294. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 7:51 am

    Hi Elliot.

    CEC data for hot tubs last time I looked was a mess… They were testing the tubs at 60f which means heat loss had little to do with their efficiency rating, it had more to do with the power consumption of the filtration motor which is why any spa with a circ pump was coming in low… I’m not sure what they are doing now but last time I really dug in the data was useless… They are used to testing appliances and didn’t seem to have a clue what to do with this product.

  295. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 7:48 am

    Hi Cassi

    Cal boost and alkalinity increaser are often overlooked in chemical kits but both are really important for different reasons… lucky both are redily available from any local retailer.

    the one year kit still needs the basic chems like PH down, alkalinity increaser, a test kit and chlorine.

  296. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 7:46 am

    So I toured the Cal Spa Factory a few years back and it was ok. not good enough to get into my tier one range but not a nightmare…

    The swimmer is pretty plain jane but the price isn’t bad, $20k is pretty standard for the size.

    We can for sure save you some money even if it’s only the cost of the service you end up way ahead because at least you will avoid the pitfalls and have a better after-sale care level because you have the weight of us behind you to ensure you are treated fairly and I guarantee no dealer of manufacturer wants me on their bad side 🙂

  297. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 7:31 am

    both are roomy open tubs that are good spaces, the 8 has larger footwell space so a lot of tall people will appreciate the difference.

  298. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 7:30 am

    Yeah good choice, the wide-open seating area in that tub just makes for a great space where you can pile people in and chill.

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  299. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 7:26 am

    its seems like all round they build to a pretty good standard but check things like insulation a lot fo times there is an upcharge on the sub brands for this.

  300. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 7:26 am

    its seems like all round they pbuild to a pretty good standard but check things like insulation a lot fo times there is an upcharge on the sub brands for this.

  301. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 7:24 am

    They are well-made spas and those are good prices but order the insulation upgrade.

  302. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 7:20 am

    Reviews are a waste of time, Forbes says 70% are fake, mass merchant reviews are particularly bad.

    Price-wise they are not far off from a top-end swimmer that is going to be better built, better insulated, and better backed with higher swim performance.

    My experience with the brand has been not great. First off its 100% made in China with a mix of some good parts and some bad, they use a thin shell that they support with a high-density foam that locks in all the plumbing and makes it a nightmare to repair leaks down the road. Mass merchants suck at these complex products, they just have no idea.

    Here is a video review I did of one of their tubs the swimmer is the same issue.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/18-VoBNlgbMchh9lNuGI3a_f3PwfmRECE/view?usp=sharing

    Get my private buyers service, we will save you a lot more than the fee and get you a better swimmer for similar money.

  303. Reply
    admin July 28, 2020 at 7:08 am

    Hi Todd

    Its a well-built spa and that is a good price for sure. definitely upgrade to the better insulation package.

    honestly, on that price point, you are already pretty good to go 🙂

  304. Reply
    admin July 22, 2020 at 10:42 am

    Hi Greg

    for the basics like Chlorine, Ph, and alkalinity any brand will do. but for the specialty add-ins Spa Marvel is the top and beats not only all the other add-in products but all the onboard systems like Salt, AOP, UV, Ace etc…

  305. Reply
    admin July 22, 2020 at 10:41 am

    Thermospas is a lower end unit comparable to the mass merchant lower priced stuff. Endless is a bit of an unknown right now… They used to be pretty good when PDC was making them but now that Watkins bought them out I assume they will do what Watkins is really good at… Make it a mid-end product and wrap it in expansive very high-end branding, advertising, and marketing and fill it with proprietary parts and sell it for 2x what it is really worth… Watkins is the best Hot Tub Company in the world for slick marketing and branding but not even in the top 10 for high-quality reliable products.

  306. Reply
    admin July 22, 2020 at 10:36 am

    Hey man

    It’s a funny one really.

    Swim spas are kind the evolution of pools in cold climates. having had pools spas and swimmers I would do a swimmer before a pool any day, It gives me everything I desire and I never feel like I wish I had a pool, all that cost, time, and energy for a thing I can use 3-4 months a year when I have something that I use all year and gives me everything a pool would.

    I think pools in northern climates are a gimmick… if ya live in Florida sure why the hell not but bang for the buck they are a shit show in northern climates.

  307. Reply
    admin July 22, 2020 at 10:09 am

    Hey dude

    I emailed you yesterday with my phone number

  308. Reply
    admin July 22, 2020 at 10:08 am

    The Mississauga dealer is the brother of the Kitchener dealer 🙂

    Both good lads and reliable.

    These tubs are at the top of my scale for build quality… Hand-rolled self supporting shells, Glued and clamped plumbing lines, compression fit jet housings, full foam specialty foam insulation, and top of the line easily sourced OEM parts.

    The biggest thing you need is a shell that will last and plumbing that won’t leak… it’s an appliance so you will replace parts like heaters and pumps and honestly, the life span is directly related tot he care you put into water maintenance.

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Also download this app It lets you Manage your hot tub chemistry without hassle, diagnose and fix water issues, troubleshoot any problems and even request service on your tub. Spa Star will do all that and more and best of all IT’S FREE!
    https://www.spa-star.net/

  309. Reply
    admin July 22, 2020 at 9:58 am

    Hey Jeff

    They are disposable units that you can not typically repair, they can not be used in a cold climate in winter and they really are just hot water no real jetting or massage.

    I think personally they are just delayed landfill but the one purpose they do service is once someone gets one, as soon as it breaks (18 months a to a couple of years in most cases) they go out and buy a proper hot tub.

  310. Reply
    admin July 22, 2020 at 9:55 am

    yeah, I do a ton of private buyers stuff out there and for sure can get you one at the right price withing 4-6 weeks… its the only place in the country we can get tubs fast.

  311. Reply
    admin July 22, 2020 at 9:53 am

    Hi Mike

    Bahama Spas is a new label Dynasty spas is using to doge the not great reputation they have, we reviewed one we took on trade and it was pretty bad and that review has more comments about customers with big issues than any other brand we have reviewed…

    the used TS is expensive but if its in good shape with a good cover and 5 years or so old it might be the best buy…

  312. Reply
    admin July 22, 2020 at 9:47 am

    Hi Tiffany,

    I like the 8 footers they just have a great open feel to them even with just a couple people, and there is no real downside other than the initial upfront cost.

  313. Reply
    admin July 22, 2020 at 9:44 am

    Hi, Dave

    Prices are high right now everywhere but these are in line with the going rate for sure in this insane market where there are 4 buyers for every available hot tub. It’s not that retailers are gouging it’s just that the incentives and specials from the factories are not available and everything costs more to do right now.

    The only difference is the massage jets. HL is a great tub and really its jetted out like most top-end tubs with a solid mix of 5″ high flow jets and a mix of 3.5″ and 1.5″ low flow jets. Twilight is a therapy massage monster, ive never found another tub with so many of the high flow expensive therapy massage jets.

  314. Reply
    admin July 22, 2020 at 9:36 am

    Hi Howard!

    Thanks for the support 🙂

    We can do private buyers service fo the UK, I lived there for a decade and have some good contacts, plus its really about calling the dealer and just negotiating so no worries, same deal applies, If I can’t save you the equivalent of $250 USD then I will refund it to just a private consultation fee of $75USD… pretty rare for refunds I think we will do around 1000 private buyers this coming year and we will refund around 1% and often that’s because the customer decides not to purchase for one reason or another.

    Artesian is a great brand, they build right and have a great parts list.

    All tubs heat at a very similar rate, once a hot tub is at temp it stays there it is not more efficient to raise and drop the temp for usage.

    What tub are you looking at and at which location and what is the price?

  315. Reply
    admin July 20, 2020 at 3:54 pm

    No Idea Kathy… they dogged me coming to the factory then when I got a tub because I was getting warry of all the bullshit it was a freeking mess… They still won’t let me in the factory even though if I came and they were doing good things they could sell an extra 1000 tubs a year… something stinks…

  316. Reply
    admin July 20, 2020 at 3:52 pm

    Hi Mike

    Hamilton is old stomping grounds 🙂 went to orchard park secondary back in the day 🙂

    Sundance is owned by the same equity investment corp that owns jacuzzi… Great marketing but mid-grade spas with loads of goofy proprietary parts

    Good sales guys always seem like good guys that’s why they are good 🙂 but let’s look at this… The Ramona is a basic 45 jet 2 pump tub and most of the jets are the cheap low flow jets there are only 10 of the good therapy massage jets!!! there is no neck or shoulder jetting to speak of and no real foot jet system… This is a sub 10 k tub being sold as a high end on the back of massive advertising and marketing…

    International pool and spa center in Oakville does Coast I’m sure they service that area and so does premium Wholesale in Kitchener they do Master and for sure service there…

  317. Reply
    admin July 20, 2020 at 3:42 pm

    In so cal there are coast, artesian and master so good selection, I do a ton of private buyers out there and have great connections with dealers and service centers. https://hottubuniversity.com/buyers-assistance/

  318. Reply
    admin July 20, 2020 at 3:41 pm

    mid-grade spas with dodgy plastic shells that need big pedestal supporting and mid-grade parts sold as high end based on massive advertising, branding and marketing.

  319. Reply
    admin July 20, 2020 at 3:40 pm

    Hi Nina

    The bar harbor SE is similar and bigger and has a removable skirt… try Fraiser valley hot tubs. or lifestyle sell coast spas in langley

  320. Reply
    admin July 20, 2020 at 3:38 pm

    Don’t think PDC sells in Cali.

    I do dozens of private buyers a week on the west coast Ive got great contacts and always can save you more than my fee.

    https://hottubuniversity.com/buyers-assistance/

  321. Reply
    admin July 20, 2020 at 3:37 pm

    Man, it’s hard to beat the Getaway series for good solid reliable efficient tubs at a reasonable price.

  322. Reply
    admin July 20, 2020 at 3:35 pm

    Love the look of the STL but the quality and price is out of wack, the shell is a cheaper plastic ABS shell that requires pedestal supporting, and the equipment is not my top choice also they blow piles of cash on the branding, advertising, and marketing which seems to add 2 or 3 grand on top of what they tub is really worth.

    love the look though 🙂

    check out Coast they have one similar and remember… outside you see all the time inside once its full of water they all look the same…

  323. Reply
    admin July 20, 2020 at 3:32 pm

    Hi Catherine, I have a consulting service and a private buyers service https://hottubuniversity.com/buyers-assistance/

    or happy to help here as well…

  324. Reply
    admin July 20, 2020 at 3:30 pm

    just emailed ya!

  325. Reply
    admin July 20, 2020 at 3:30 pm

    just emailed ya!

  326. Reply
    admin July 20, 2020 at 3:30 pm

    Coast is a good brand for sure they use good parts and good fabrication methods.

  327. Reply
    admin July 20, 2020 at 3:28 pm

    naw, the TS, in my opinion, is every bit as good, and I find the LSX cramped,

    prices are high for sure its a sellers market with 3 customers for every tub and waits of 3-6 months for a tub

  328. Reply
    admin July 20, 2020 at 3:26 pm

    Its a cradle supported shell, decent parts, and lower end insulation… mass merchant quality and price.

  329. Reply
    admin July 20, 2020 at 3:26 pm

    its an artesian spa good all-round tub for sure, Josh get my private buyers service we always save you more than the cost of the service.

  330. Reply
    admin July 20, 2020 at 12:36 pm

    Hi John

    Dropping them into the ground can be fine but it is expensive. you need to build a crypt and leave at least a foot on all sides for service then close it off with removable panels, you also need to have retaining walls and a drainage system for rainwater, runoff, and possible leaks. it’s a big expensive project that can cost as much as the tub!

    Local code change from area to area but in general there is no limit to how close to the house it goes.

    Ideally, the equipment side needs a couple of feet and each side a foot to 18″ generally most people only need access to one side but if you are unlucky its best to be prepared 🙂 if you can not leave all sides open leave at least 2 sides so worst case it can be drained and slid over to work on other sides.

    For massage, the number of jets means a lot less than the size of the jet. little jets are cheap around $10, move tiny amounts of water and do very little for massage, 3.5″ mid flows are worth like $35 and start to flow much higher volumes of water and move the whole muscles mass and for long term do a lot more, the big 5″ high flow therapy massage jets again are $50-$60 each and are really where you are getting into a good therapy massage spa. the massive 10″ monster jets with a diverter are around $500 and blow you out of the water for foot, leg massage.

    The best all-round jetting package I can find is the twilight series spas. 4 of the high flow 3.5″ jets for neck and shoulder and loads of the 5″ high flows.

    if the patio is flat and level and was properly laid then it should be fine.

    Covers vary stay with a 5″-3″ taper with aluminum core, lifters are not from the manufactures of hot tubs and most will work with any tub.

    Delivery and install are usually included but the local site can make a big difference… a basic on its side ground level should run $300 but a big crane job can hit a grand or more.

    I know the guys there and you will be fine they have good service, don’t be too hard on hot tub guys right now… with COVID and massive sales increases, massive product shortages and everything tasking 4x longer these guys are working 60 hour weeks and falling behind… The pricing is in line with what I’m seeing everywhere right now…

  331. Reply
    admin July 20, 2020 at 12:09 pm

    No worries ill email you

  332. Reply
    admin July 20, 2020 at 12:08 pm

    yeah, they are not a nightmare brand for sure just not quite to my standard for tier one…

  333. Reply
    admin July 15, 2020 at 4:16 pm

    They are mentioned several hundred times 🙂

    They are nowhere near the biggest in the world, they are not even near the top 10 now. Back in the day they were a player but its been a long slow decline 🙂

    I visited their factory last January it was ok but didn’t make the cut for my top brands. The first issue was the shell all that marketing about the strongest shell in the industry and the steel re-enforcement is a joke… It’s a thin little strip of angle iron that I could fold in half with my bare hands without even trying 🙂 it’s a regular run of the mill cradle supported shell.

    the parts are a mixed bag some use balboa some waterways, and they have colonial hangover… way too many skews and options and it made their production line a mess, there were so many tubs on the test line with issues…

    its not a nightmare brand and it’s better than a lot of stuff out there and with a restructuring, they could be a player but they are not there right now in My opinion…

    the biggest highlight of the 2 days was when this little dude rolled up trying to flex in his Bentley LMFAO

  334. Reply
    admin July 15, 2020 at 4:08 pm

    Run away… its made by Dynasty spas…

  335. Reply
    admin July 15, 2020 at 4:07 pm

    7 pumps are crazy 🙂 The efficiency loss is massive but it’s not the end of the world… Def better than the bullfrog.

    First off jets and jet packs don’t fail, and either do the shell to jet fittings on the good compression fit system that Artesian uses… Most leaks on spas are freeze damage leaks pump seals, and floor sections all of which Bullfrog has just as many chances of leaking as any spa… Glued and clamped jet hoses almost never leak. It’s all hype and bullshit even the claims of increased flow are not founded in science.. do the math and you will find that the flow rate through 12 small 3/4″ pipes is way better than 12x the water through one 2″ pipe… Add to that a cheap abs plastic shell that requires pedestal supporting and a less expensive parts list and you have to ask yourself why it’s expensive? I mean the spend way less on the shell than the Artesian, less on the parts and way less on the pipe. the only reason this is expensive is because of the massive advertising, marketing, and branding package that fools you into thinking this middle of the road spa is high end…

  336. Reply
    admin July 14, 2020 at 3:49 pm

    Hi Mark

    Evolution is the new name Strong is using after the viral video showing how crappy the spas are… stay away from mass merchant hot tubs they all suck.

    bullfrog is middle of the road and way overpriced. its a lower end cradle supported ABS plastic shell and middle of the road parts list. not a nightmare brand but it should be in the middle price point. the only reason it is selling at high prices is the massive spend on advertising, branding, and marketing used to fool you into thinking its super high end.

  337. Reply
    admin July 14, 2020 at 3:43 pm

    Hey Jim

    A 23 jet one pump tub for $8k is no better than you can get from any number of dealers… It’s a good tub with one major flaw… the skirt is not removable which means when they leak the cost to fix is insane… and 100 flex jets is nothing, it’s just spin marketing…. they use jets with lots of holes so they can make it sound good but its just a low-end performance single pump 23 jet tub.

  338. Reply
    admin July 14, 2020 at 3:39 pm

    Ken, are you really comparing the same jetting packages? its a 23 jet single pump tub… So you want the absolutely lowest entry-level Coast called Northwinds,

    forget Jacuzzi, overpriced mid-grade spas full of proprietary parts and sold as high-end on the back of massively expensive marketing, branding, and advertising

  339. Reply
    admin July 14, 2020 at 3:26 pm

    Hi Pat

    That tub uses a soft foam that is easy to remove, the easy thing is to just pull the wet foam out until you find the leak likely mouse chewed something the old twilights had holes in the corners for the drains and it made for easy mouse ingress the newer ones have fixed this issue.

    fix a leak is good.

  340. Reply
    admin July 14, 2020 at 3:23 pm

    Both are similar and while not nightmare brands they have lesser pedestal supported shells and lower end parts and insulation.

  341. Reply
    admin July 14, 2020 at 3:22 pm

    Hi, Gretchen, I do have personal private services like phone consultation or private buyers service you can book them here:

    Hot Springs are middle of the road products sold at outrageously high prices for no other reason than the massive spend on marketing, advertising, and branding that is in place to convince you these mid-end products full of proprietary parts are top-end…

    Salt and AOP and ion and UV are all decent tech but the truth than none of the manufacturers want you to know is that none of the onboard systems are anywhere near as effective as the add-ins like spa marvel. the reason is simple… saltwater systems just make chlorine, AOP and UV similarly just kill organics, all these systems are good at killing organics but suck at dealing with inorganics. because they are not effective within organics you need high levels to tackle this. The best these systems really get into is around 2ppm of chlorine and they do nothing to stabilize the Ph and in the case, of salt systems, they are highly corrosive.

    just buy this natural enzyme. it is really effective at handling inorganics and that means your chlorine is free to handle just organics, it can get you to 0.5ppm of chlorine which is 4x lower than salt systems and it has the added advantage of stabilizing pH which means your water is way easier to manage… Plus it’s so good for the plastic that it gives you a lifetime guarantee on the jets.

    Bullfrog is again overpriced because of the marketing, the reality is its a cheaper plastic shell with pedestal supports and while the parts are at least readily available OEM parts it’s not top tier.

  342. Reply
    admin July 14, 2020 at 11:13 am

    they are low-end mass merchant quality tubs

  343. Reply
    admin July 14, 2020 at 11:12 am

    Endless when it was built by PDC was a good product but it got bought by a big US corp who typically supplies mid-grade products marketed and priced as a super high end on nothing more than a massive adverting, marketing, branding budget.

    Hydropool similarly is owned by another equity investment company with a similar style and is not a high build standard or insulation system.

    first, let’s talk about smooth current… if you want a lazy swim still water is great, but the turbulence in the water mimics open water swimming and engages a lot more muscle groups as you have to react to the buffeting of the water so you get a much better all-round workout (especially core) if there is a bit of water turbulence, its why triathletes tend to stay away from the endless, it’s just a swim workout targeting just the swim muscles and does not prepare you well for open water. Now there for sure is a middle ground and most swimmers using jets are going to be too turbulent on the higher swim levels simply because they are forcing way too much water through 4 swim jets and usually adding air to increase the velocity.

    The Challenger was developed with input from the Iron man competitors and its a hit, they added an extra motor removed the air and made the swim lane wider and deeper yet not so much that it became like still water swimming. The challenger is capable of a 1:20 per 100m top speed which equates to a 52 min Ironman swim finish. That is way faster than average. 
    Training wise you have 6 pre-programmed workouts and the ability to make your own. 
    But the real claim to fame is the quality of swim in the challenger. The 3 large airless pumps create the widest current in the industry. There is no other Swimspa manufacturer that has cracked this. It’s a great swim workout, not to mention durability and efficiency in cold climates! 

  344. Reply
    admin July 14, 2020 at 11:01 am

    That was a 2019 spa and I have asked them repeatedly to give me access to the factory to verify build and they shut me down even though there is no cost to them… If the p[erson who has the most influence in the world of where hot tub dollars go asks to see your factory so they can send customers to you for free and you dodge then something is simply not right… considering the totally lied to me about how they were building in the first place it raises way too many red flags for me to endorse the product.

  345. Reply
    admin July 14, 2020 at 10:54 am

    Hey Jack

    So Artesian is all pretty easily sourced parts.

    Honestly, when it comes to chem reduction systems they are all decent tech and will reduce reliance on chemicals but none of them do anything to make the water easier to manage and they all focus on killing organics.

    Honestly, no matter what spa you buy don’t buy any of the miracle onboard systems because none of them are anywhere near as effective as the inexpensive add-ins like Spa Marvel, this shit not only gets you to lower chemical levels than any of those systems but it also stabilizes pH and handles the inorganics like soap and oils.

    just buy this shit…

  346. Reply
    admin July 14, 2020 at 10:50 am

    Hi Erica

    its a well made spa but it is middle fo the road for massage. The price is decent.

  347. Reply
    admin July 14, 2020 at 10:42 am

    thats a solid price dude

  348. Reply
    admin July 14, 2020 at 10:42 am

    Pricing is tricky and the smaller spas don’t cost much less than the larger one so I would guess yer gonna be in the 10k range

  349. Reply
    admin July 14, 2020 at 10:27 am

    Both good tubs with similar jetting

  350. Reply
    admin July 14, 2020 at 10:25 am

    Hi and sorry for the long wait!

    PDC for sure is a better product.

    If you haven’t already bought get my private buyers service, on swim spas it always pays on swim spas 🙂

    Catalina is middle of the road, I would look at the PDC and the H2X

    These guys do H2X

    South East Spas
    4260 Cleveland Ave, Fort Myers, FL 33901
    southeastspas.com
    +1 239-202-0225

  351. Reply
    admin July 8, 2020 at 7:36 am

    no worries just sent you an email

  352. Reply
    admin July 7, 2020 at 8:12 am

    Sorry man! I have you in the system as having sent you an email but I can’t find that I actually sent you an email!

    I just sent it!

  353. Reply
    admin July 7, 2020 at 8:09 am

    It depends a lot on the dealer and the area.

    A good dealer is not always about proximity, its about timely information, the service can often be handled really effectively in some markets with independent service guys.

    I would check them both out for reputation and call the 4hr away guy and get details of who he uses for service and call them.

  354. Reply
    admin July 7, 2020 at 8:06 am

    The downside to Trainer 12 is low power and shallow depth, having had swimmers for 15 years I found the depth to be more important than the size even. the hot tub side fo the trainer 19 deep is the same main therapy seat as the TS and I always find peeps hop over from side to side so I don’t miss the extra seats. I guess it depends what your priority is the swim spa is a big downgrade od the 2 unit deal.

  355. Reply
    admin July 7, 2020 at 8:00 am

    Yeah for sure no worries

  356. Reply
    admin July 7, 2020 at 7:27 am

    It’s a good spa and a reasonable price.

  357. Reply
    admin July 7, 2020 at 7:26 am

    Artesian for sure, I toured Cal factory last Jan and the shell despite the mad marketing is just a regular cradle supported shell and they use a lot of goofy parts, its not a nightmare brand but you need to make sure yer getting balboa control system and full foam… even then the Artesian is better built.

  358. Reply
    admin July 7, 2020 at 7:21 am

    It’s always worth the buyer’s service… Honestly why not? If I don’t save you at least the cost of the service I refund the difference, I work for you so what you buy has no effect on my income so I can be nonbiased, and you get protective custody 🙂 Trust me no one will mess with you if you are under my service because no one wants any bad press on a website that sees 85% of everyone who buys a hot tub 🙂

    I am currently running 25 private buyers at any given time and 10 are west coast I have strong relationships with several retailer and wholesalers and service people there.

  359. Reply
    admin July 7, 2020 at 7:20 am

    It’s part of American whirlpool Maxx vita group, honestly, it’s mass merchant quality with better marketing…

  360. Reply
    admin July 7, 2020 at 7:18 am

    Hey Dom the price is good but you could buy a trainer 19 deep for similar money.

    Endless used to be good when PDC built them but now they are owned by an US corp that is notorious for selling mid-grade spas as top-end based on fantastic marketing and expensive branding and advertising campaigns.

    Hydrpool was again bought by a US equity investment group with the same business model… its mid-grade with a cradle supported shell and the cheapest lowest R-valuer insulation system I have ever seen.

  361. Reply
    admin July 7, 2020 at 7:13 am

    It’s always worth the buyer’s service… Honestly why not? If I don’t save you at least the cost of the service I refund the difference, I work for you so what you buy has no effect on my income so I can be nonbiased, and you get protective custody 🙂 Trust me no one will mess with you if you are under my service because no one wants any bad press on a website that sees 85% of everyone who buys a hot tub 🙂

    the 15D is away better use of space… the 18 has the stupid sun bead that takes 18″ of the tub so really its a 15′ against a 16.5″ and look at the steps on the 18… they run way out into the tub. I think the 15D has as much or more swim area for less $$$

  362. Reply
    admin July 7, 2020 at 7:08 am

    Hey John

    TS 7.25 retail $13,695 solid price at $10k

    7.25 is my top pick of the Three for a few reasons. primarily massage… the necks jets are four of the high flow 3.5″ jets and it blows the others away for neck and shoulder, it also has the most expensive massage jetting package. For massage, the number of jets means a lot less than the size of the jet. little jets are cheap around $10, move tiny amounts of water and do very little for massage, 3.5″ mid flows are worth like $35 and start to flow much higher volumes of water and move the whole muscles mass and for long term do a lot more, the big 5″ high flow therapy massage jets again are $50-$60 each and are really where you are getting into a good therapy massage spa. the massive 10″ monster jets with a diverter are around $500 and blow you out of the water for foot, leg massage.

    Coast Apex bench Curve Retail $13k

    Next in line (and a close second) is the Coast Apex bench Curve, great look but the use of space is not as good I like open barrier-free seating) and the jetting package is a lot fo the little 1.5″ low flow jets so the massage package is a lot lighter Its

    Bullfrog retail $15k

    Last place the BullFrog for a lot of reasons, First it is massively overpriced on the back of the most excellent marketing, advertising, and branding campaign to convince you its a top-end tub. It uses a thin ABS plastic shell that requires pedestal supporting, nowhere near as good as the other two self-supporting shells. It uses a gecko heating and control system the other two use my number one system from balboa. It has no real neck of foot jets system and I hate the floor dome… these things were all the rage in the ’80s but they were a nightmare for so many reasons. first, the damn things are a serious tripping hazard, the number of people that tripped on mine was astounding, it because so bad I would warn everyone when getting in… and the damn things were prone to leak because everyone was always stepping on them and pushing their feet against the jets and if you got a leak it was a bloody nightmare to fix, plus now you have to plumb under the floor fo the tub! huge heat losses through condition because there is very little space for insulation under there. all for 4 little piss ant cheapo 1.5″ low flow jets that are not going to do anything for tough old bits like your feet…

  363. Reply
    admin July 6, 2020 at 11:00 am

    Hey Cesar

    Beachcomber is just out of my top 5 group from a build quality standpoint, the only thing keeping them out is the nonremovable skirt which is pure idiocy… If you ever have a leak it’s an expensive nightmare even under warranty.

    Its funny I always say mass merchants are the worst place to buy hot tubs because they are not good prices. They are just cheap crappy hot tubs sold for what they are worth, and seeing the prices on the Beachcomber just proves what I have always sad because those prices are bat shit crazy expensive… Between 8 and 10 k for a single p[ump 28 jet tub is rip off, you can buy tubs with the same build quality (or slightly better) same insulation, high flow plumbing systems and parts with removable skirt, and performance with removable skirts from any decent-sized retailer for less…

    Do Not Buy A Hot Tub From A MASS MERCHANT!!! They suck at this product…

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Also download this app It lets you Manage your hot tub chemistry without hassle, diagnose and fix water issues, troubleshoot any problems and even request service on your tub. Spa Star will do all that and more and best of all IT’S FREE!
    https://www.spa-star.net/

  364. Reply
    admin July 6, 2020 at 8:01 am

    Hi Julie

    Nothing wrong with PDC at all. the insulation while not my top pick is the best perimeter system ever and their attention to detail is awesome, they are solid well-built spas with great parts.

    The Freeport will be a lot better for a massage so you need to decide how important that is to you. it’s not just the number of pumps but also the jetting package. the little jets do not do much for a massage they are inexpensive and low flow volumes the larger jets flow a lot more water and for long term muscle tension relief they will be a lot more effective.

    I did an R-value calculation for your area and the PDC system will cost you around $6/month more that a full foam system so certainly not a deal-breaker.

  365. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 8:38 pm

    yeah, that is the legacy of mass merchant hot tub sales…

    stay the fuck away from all these asshats selling cheap crap and having no idea what they are doing… mass merchants are the worst place to buy a hot tub…

  366. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 8:31 pm

    Hi Mike

    You have a few good choices around you.

    Recreational warehouse sells Coast which is a solid choice and having chatted with them a few times they seem like they are a good group. also my buddy griff at Master spa Toronto in Mississauga cut me solid deals.

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Also, download this app It lets you Manage your hot tub chemistry without hassle, diagnose and fix water issues, troubleshoot any problems, set reminder, and even request service on your tub. Spa Star will do all that and more and best of all IT’S FREE!
    https://www.spa-star.net/

    Jets just mean massage… so if yer looking For massage, the number of jets means a lot less than the size of the jet. little jets are cheap around $10, move tiny amounts of water and do very little for massage, 3.5″ mid flows are worth like $35 and start to flow much higher volumes of water and move the whole muscles mass and for long term do a lot more, the big 5″ high flow therapy massage jets again are $50-$60 each and are really where you are getting into a good therapy massage spa. the massive 10″ monster jets with a diverter are around $500 and blow you out of the water for foot, leg massage.

    pricing is all over the place and depends a lot on what is important to you. typically what really changes the price is either marketing and advertising cost or performance depending on the brand.

    Man, you should get my private buyers service, in that area I have tons of good contacts and will for sure save you more than the cost of the service or ill refund it and will walk you through all the options negotiate the deal and keep you in protective custody 🙂

  367. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 8:22 pm

    hey, dude, I sent an email but not heard back, I resent it check yer spam 🙂

  368. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 8:12 pm

    Hi Daniel

    So I keep hearing that Dynasty is trying to up their game, and I reach out and say “hey guys if yer upping yer game get me in to see” and they ignore me…

    Now not being an ego here but if the guy in the world that sees 80+% of everyone looking for a hot tub come to him for advice says he will help drag you out of the shit and legitimize you calls you up asking for visibility and proof and is not asking for money and you don’t return his call yer either lying, stupid or living under a rock…

    Meanwhile, I keep hearing more nightmare stories about the brand than almost any other.

    I’m a simple guy… show me with proof yer doing it right and I will sing your praises… hide and dodge and be obscure and there is no way I’m backing you… look what marquis did to my reputation when I just believed them and trusted and accepted their dodgy responses as to why I couldn’t see their factory, and sure enough I get ahold of one and its lies and deceit and bullshit…

  369. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 8:05 pm

    The whole platinum series is based on a bit of misinformation…

    first, off the idea that more little pumps are better than a few big pumps is bad science, we know conclusively that the efficiency of larger pumps is dramatically higher than smaller pumps. it’s playing on our mindset that more is better 🙂

    second, the individual controls beside each seat are just more to go wrong and really adds nothing.

    it’s like the LSX from Master… the reality is the Twilight series (one level down) is a better performance spa but LSX is sexy and flashy…

    they are all great tubs and the platinum (and the LSX ) have some great sexy features so if that’s what’s gonna make you feel warm and fuzzy then yes they are worth it, but if you want raw performance then no…

  370. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:58 pm

    It’s a mid-quality spa, it should be on par with mass merchant spas in its size and jet count category but it should not be priced like a high-end spa.

  371. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:55 pm

    you can swap them almost for sure… check the amperage rating on the motors… typically they are going to be 12-16 amps the only other major draw is the heater 4kw@230 volt is 17 amps and 5kw is 22amp

    plus you can configure the system for high current mode or low current mode which controls whether the heater comes on when the second pump is engaged 🙂

    Its gimmick… and in any tub for about under$200 you can change the heater core out… its not any cost difference and should not affect your cost or be part of your buying criteria.

  372. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:50 pm

    They are all good brands. yer out of the fescue so yer not going to make any bad decisions…

    For massage, the number of jets means a lot less than the size of the jet. little jets are cheap around $10, move tiny amounts of water and do very little for massage, 3.5″ mid flows are worth like $35 and start to flow much higher volumes of water and move the whole muscles mass and for long term do a lot more, the big 5″ high flow therapy massage jets again are $50-$60 each and are really where you are getting into a good therapy massage spa. the massive 10″ monster jets with a diverter are around $500 and blow you out of the water for foot, leg massage.

    all tubs in this range are comparable for build quality

  373. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:45 pm

    Both great products. and forget ratings… even Forbes says 70% are fake one unscrupulous dealer can totally slant the curve by simply making a bunch of email accounts and posting fake reviews… its a pay to play industry that is now the new marketing trick.

    Build wise both brands are so similar it’s not even funny, most parts are the same from the same top OEM companies.

    There is only one thing that the LSX edges out ahead on and that is the neck and shoulder jetting… The pelican has 4 of the cheap low flow jets and the master has 4 of the 3.5″ high flow jets that flow a lot more water, for neck and shoulder the LSX is head and shoulders above it.

    either will be a great buy.

  374. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:40 pm

    Artesian for both built quality and performance, Bullfrog is not a nightmare brand but they are a better at marketing than making tubs 🙂

  375. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:39 pm

    totally gimmick. I spoke to a few doctors, and dermatologists and they laughed at me… they claim its oxygenated water which implies they are adding oxygen but that not the case.. its bubbles and there is little or no science I have been able to find to say this does anything at all for skin therapy…

  376. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:37 pm

    beachcomber is a good spa. well built and using good parts, the only real bad is the nonremovable skirt which is a crazy corner to cut because if it leaks then you are looking at major costs even under warranty to fix it…

    but good value for the money??? no… its a super low end 23 jet one pump spa! you can get the same build quality and parts and insulation with removable skirts for that money from any decent dealer…

    I love that Costco sells this tub because it is proof of what I always say… mass merchants are not good value for the money on hot tubs they are just cheap prices on crap tubs… as soon as they get a decent tub like this the price is higher than retail!!! Mass merchants suck at hot tubs…

  377. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:33 pm

    it’s the same, just make sure you have really good access.. frame the hole 2′ bigger than the tub, drop the tub in and make drop-in panels all the way around that can be easily removed.

  378. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:25 pm

    euro trash.

    thin shells propped up with a ridiculous frame system, goofy parts, and low r-value insulation… mass merchant all the way.

  379. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 7:02 pm

    its Chinese made mass merchant quality all the way…

    check out this video

  380. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 11:24 am

    Its not a nightmare brand and that’s a good price!

    also check out PDC here: its a better build quality

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    admin July 3, 2020 at 11:21 am

    Hey Man!

    Master and Artesian are great build quality wise The twilight series from Master gets my rating as the best therapy massage spa out there because the jetting and flow control is insane… its the only well-built tub with a great neck and shoulder seat with4 of the high flow therapy massage jets, most brands have2 of the dinky little 1.5″ low flows which suck.

    Beachcomber is good except it has one fatal flaw and one limitation.. the flaw is that the skirt is not removable which is a nightmare and expensive if you have a leak. the limitation is performance, they just do not do any high-end therapy massage packages.

    Bullfrog and Hydropool are a whole level down on construction quality, the best thing about those two brands is the marketing, branding, and advertising that try and convince you they are high end… for what they are they are both overpriced and really should be competing in the mass merchant and low-end retail pricing, not the upper end.

    Premium Wholesale Home & Leisure
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    (519) 895-0606

    These guys are a big operation with a good service and backup support staff. Carrying Master, Twilight, H2X and MP legends. I know these guys personally and they do a great job. cryan005@sympatico.ca
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  382. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 11:13 am

    Yeah, it built by May manufacturing. but I’m not sure, I’ve been seeing some stuff saying it’s using a thinner shell with a HD foam support and mylar insulation im getting the feeling its not built ot the same standard as thier higher-end lines.

  383. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 11:12 am

    Shit man the reason Im so long getting to posts is Ill do around 1000 private buyers services this season and i need to be in constant contact with these peeps. I have 3 or 4 in the bay area on the go at all times, I will save you ton out there.

  384. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 11:11 am

    meh its a wash, Bullfrog has a cheaper abs plastic pedestal supported shell and 2nd rate heating and control system and marquis has had some QC issues…

  385. Reply
    admin July 3, 2020 at 11:09 am

    Hit up premium wholesale in Kitchener, one fo the biggest sellers of hot tubs in Canada right now.

    Pavers are fine as long as its a good contractor and tell them to make the space under the tub level not on a grade.

  386. Reply
    admin July 2, 2020 at 10:57 am

    They are nowhere near the same quality. Hydropool is owned by an equity investment firm out fo the US the marketing branding and advertising are great but the features are silly, every spa self cleans… the shell is mid-end cradle supported, and the insulation is cheap and low R-value.. radiant barriers were a scam from the 80’s and all northern US states and the Canadian mortgage housing authorities issued warnings about them and now they are the miracle insulation system in the unregulated hot tub spin world 🙂 They are great at reflecting radiant heat but they have little r-value and suck at containing heat ion a system… in layman’s terms it means if you want to keep heat away from your house in Florida they are great but not if you want to trap heat into a system.

    The Coast is a far better product.

    marketing is awesome

  387. Reply
    admin July 2, 2020 at 9:49 am

    Thi sis mass merchant quality and performance ata higher price, honestly compare it to Home depot or costco for pricing

  388. Reply
    admin July 2, 2020 at 9:48 am

    Great area you have PDC, Coast, Master and Artesian. I do a ton of private buyers deals there sign up its $250 I guarantee in that market I will save you mroe than $250 no matter what you decide to buy.

  389. Reply
    admin July 2, 2020 at 9:45 am

    both good tubs dude.

  390. Reply
    admin July 2, 2020 at 9:40 am

    South seas for sure The viking is a way cheaper plastic shell with pedestal supporting and the parts list is better on the South seas. there is no comparison the Viking should be priced like mass merchant stuff not like high end spas.

  391. Reply
    admin July 2, 2020 at 9:27 am

    Hi Charles

    its the same company, East coast spas run these shows up and down the eastern seaboard, they are likely the largest dealer on the east coast doing several thousand spas a year.
    $11k is about the going rate for a TS 8 right now.

    It’s not so much that prices have gone up a ton but you have to understand that it was a brutally competitive market and rebates, and incentives that were available in the tight times are not available now because no one can get tubs fast enough… Its a seller market right now.

  392. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 11:51 am

    either are good but I havent seen the Coast factory. the neck jets on clarity are better there is a high flow 3.5″ therapy jet and two of the 1.5″ jets where the coast has just two of the 1.5’s other than that not much difference

  393. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 11:47 am

    OMG run away wellis is really not a good spa at all…

  394. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 11:46 am

    they banned the bromine version and are reviewing the chlorine ones now but the point is moot, its gimmicky old tech anyway, why would you pay that kind of money for a system that makes chlorine? its only gets you too2ppm and it’s finicky and requires expensive maintenance on the anodes. Yyou can get much easier to manage water with natural products like enzymes or mineral salt for a fraction of the cost and get to 4x lower chem levels and have easier to manage stable water without all the corrosive salt. Honestly that tubs all about spin marketing, Branding, and big expensive advertising but look at the actual build quality… Good shell, but goofy proprietary parts, no clamps on the plumbing and low R-value insulation system, it should be priced like a mid-end tub except for the massive spin spend to make you think its a high-end product.

  395. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 11:37 am

    spa boss is a brand of chemicals, spa marvel is an add on enzyme, they are wrong I am right 🙂

  396. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 11:34 am

    overall a good spa ive yet to do the factory tour because of covid

  397. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 11:33 am

    well thats a whole different ball game, still steep but hard to find tubs right now…

  398. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 11:31 am

    They are a solid bunch for sure.

  399. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 11:18 am

    That’s a bat shit crazy price. it’s not lifetime on the shell its lifetime on the frame, 7 years on the shell structure and only5 on the surface, it’s a mid-grade ABS plastic pedestal supported shell.

    I can get you hot tubs in that market with better build and way better pricing though my private buyer’s service in 4-6 weeks through my private buyer’s service…

  400. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:34 am

    go see crocker sales and look at the getaway spas

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    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:34 am

    yeah its a solid well built spa, the R-value difference between thier system and a full foam is around 10 so expect an extra $5/month or so in electrics but thats easily offset byt he pricing in a lot of cases.

  402. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:33 am

    Beachcomber is the best of the lot for sure, the only downside and it can be a big one is a nonremovable skirt if you have a leak which does happen yer screwed and looking at big costs.

    The BF is not a nightmare brand, the insulation is as good as the beachcomber but it got a less expensive ABS plastic pedestal supported shell, and I’m not a fan of the electronic heating and control system. Balboa is way better in my opinion.

    Hydropool is owned by a US equity investment corporation and the best thing I can say about it is they have really great marketing, branding, and advertising that they spend a lot of money on to convince folks that this middle of the road unit is high end…

    That price is wack, the jetting packages on all those brands is ok-ish but nowhere near the really high-end performance spas, you can get into twilight for that kind of money, and its got all the right things and the jetting package is miles better espe the neck and shoulder jetting, those other tubs have almost no neck jets and the Twilight has 4 of the 3.5″ high flow jets.

    Go see these guys.

    Premium Wholesale Home & Leisure
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    These guys are a big operation with a good service and backup support staff. Carrying Master, Twilight, H2X and MP legends. I know these guys personally and they do a great job. cryan005@sympatico.ca
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  403. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:26 am

    Hi, Sean Yeah I agree with swimmers the AF is better. Spa Marvel needs a better solution for swim spas.

  404. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:25 am

    Hi Greg

    East coast sells all up and down the eastern seaboard, they sell thousands of hot tubs compared to Bobs which likely sells a couple hundred a year. They are pretty good at long-distance customer care and frankly with apps on the market like SpaStar you can basically have a dealer on your phone for all the information you need. Honestly, if you think about it what do you need a local dealer for? usually, the biggest thing is answers to your questions, the actual service is handled pretty easily there are lots of independent service guys around that specialize in fixing hot tubs, and chems and accessories are available online.

    Vita is nowhere near the same build quality…

    The shell is a thin cradle supported shell whereas the Master is a hand-rolled self-supporting shell.
    The insulation on the vita is a cheap low R-value radiant barrier with a bit of batton, the Master is an expensive full foam high r-value specialty foam that is 2x higher R-value and does not impede access to the plumbing
    The master glues and clamps all the plumbing Vita just dip glues.

    One is a mid to low end unit comparable to mass merchant stuff and one is a super well-built unit.

    If you want to stay local check out the PDC spas

  405. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:16 am

    It’s a Chinese made spa built to a fairly low standard, https://drive.google.com/file/d/18-VoBNlgbMchh9lNuGI3a_f3PwfmRECE/view?usp=sharing

  406. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:14 am

    No id say yer right, a good spa will survive the flex but your cover won’t seat properly and it’s def not a best-case scenario. self-leveling concrete would be best but if you move the tub down the road it will look off.

  407. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:11 am

    Hard to say man I’ve seen most of what comes out of mass merchants and in a lot of cases you are just pouring money in year after year and you end up spending a couple of grand anyway down the road… I honestly think that its a gimmick… you think you are spending $2800 but 5 years down the road you realize you spent the 5k anyway and now you have a piece of crap overpriced spa and your going to bleed cash every year to fix You would have been better off to just finance the extra $2300k and get something reliable.

  408. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:07 am

    The price is way too high for a four-year-old spa. but it’s easy enough to get parts for it. rule of thumb is take the retail then take 30% off for the first year and 10% off for every other year…

  409. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 7:05 am

    Hi David… Both brands are owned by the same equity investment group in the US… Out of the frying pan into the fire :-), the best thing about that group of companies is the fancy expensive marketing, branding and advertising that make you believe yer buying a high-end top performance product, and in my experience, they are middle of the road and overpriced.

    We can get better for less for sure. Spas Direct Inc in Pataskala sells artesian, and Rainbow Pool & Spa Superstore in Lancaster sells Master

  410. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 6:35 am

    yep its a well made unit.

    bang for the buck the getaway Ochos rios

  411. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 6:34 am

    Don’t know about it but looks like not a lot of insulation for a Canadian winter.

  412. Reply
    admin June 30, 2020 at 6:29 am

    CMP makes one of the best jet assembly systems out there and they do have some of their production in China. I think master recalled the cap before the official recall then they sent the caps out before they failed in most cases. it seems to be a one-off it was a bad mix of plastic. The compression fit jetting that they make is the best system on the market. on most of the jet housings it’s a multi-piece assembly basically what happens is they cut a hole in the shell then they hand grind the back to make a flat area then they put silicone on the jet body put it into the shell and another person goes behind and puts more silicone on the back then a ring then a retaining nut is tightened to hold the assembly in place… There are so many points here that can be done wrong and also a lot of points that can fail down the road. The compression fit system from CMP is more expensive and much simpler and eliminates the failure points and has proven to be more reliable. Basically the hole gets cut in the shell to a precise size often by a robot then the jet housing is compression fit into the hole. no silicone no way to screw it up and nothing to fail down the road so far it has proven to be much much more reliable system Artesian has used it for years and after evaluating the in field success master went to the system in 2018 and so far its been a major improvement in reliability.

  413. Reply
    admin June 29, 2020 at 8:02 pm

    hit griff up and look at the H2X therapools, super well built basic swimmers, the rest of the stuff at this price is dodgy.

    Store number: 289-633-3459

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  414. Reply
    admin June 29, 2020 at 8:00 pm

    When we talk about energy efficiency ignore all the dumb ass sales pitches and look at the regulated industries like Homebuilding… you can’t just make a brochure about some miracle insulation system that no one ever thought about and build a house… it has to meet code which is R-Value… in your area R-25 minimum so why in the hell would you thing some hot tub sales dick head knows more and can guarantee you good efficiency with R-8 perimeter insulation??? or freeking Mylar which was basically banned in any regulated industry 30 years ago???

    get aa beachcomber, master, or coast

  415. Reply
    admin June 29, 2020 at 7:56 pm

    It is middle of the road ABS plastic shell honestly the hs and this are about the same quality level but at least yer not paying some corporate ass hat a pile more than its worth 🙂

  416. Reply
    admin June 29, 2020 at 7:02 pm

    Artesian for sure.. the best thing about the Jac is the expensive marketing that tricks you into thinking its high end…

  417. Reply
    admin June 29, 2020 at 7:01 pm

    sunrise is middle fo the road cradle supported shell, dodgy low R-value insulation but not a nightmare brand.. the price is pretty steep though it should be somewhere between home depot and that price.

  418. Reply
    admin June 29, 2020 at 6:59 pm

    sent an email and we talked 🙂

  419. Reply
    admin June 25, 2020 at 8:22 am

    Hi Clair

    Any tub can run a salt water system, but any doctor recommending it is not recommending the saltwater systems that make chlorine they are almost certainly recommending a mineral salt system like aqua finesse or mineral luxe, be careful because to goofy scammy salt tubs just use a corrosive salt called sodium chloride and make chlorine… a product like Aquafinesse is a mineral salt and in Holland where it was developed it is literally used in hospitals to treat eczema in newborns.

    The other possibility is they are recommending saltwater simply because it is a lower chemical system that old-style spas but again this info would not be applicable anymore because a saltwater hot tub runs around 2ppm of chlorine which is a lot better than the old school 3-5 ppm but nowhere near what an enzyme or mineral salt system can run which is around 0.5ppm of chlorine.

    get your doctor to clarify…

    locally try PDC spas:

    – Spaulding Pool & Spa
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    or artesian spas:

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    admin June 24, 2020 at 2:20 pm

    Grifss a solid guy and the clarity are good tubs and priced right.

  421. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 2:19 pm

    I would say the marquis out fo that group assuming they have gotten the QC under control.

  422. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 2:18 pm

    I would just use spa marvel, balance you pH and Alkalinity and use around 1ppm chlorine

  423. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 2:18 pm

    Good reliable people Chris Sutton is the owner I’ve met him and his team.

  424. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 2:17 pm

    it’s the going rate, I would expect ti to go for in this market, not a great deal but great deals ARE RARE RIGHT NOW.

    a good comparison would be the twilight 7.25

    Spa Tech
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  425. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 2:14 pm

    for sure, hit ben@eastcoastspas.com

  426. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 2:13 pm

    Yeah that’s a good price for sure esp right now!

  427. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 2:10 pm

    Sorry man, I’ve never heard of them and can’t find any real info 🙁

    But the other three you mention are not great. the best thing about them is the fancy expensive marketing and branding that makes you think they are high end.

  428. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 2:09 pm

    They are both good spas and post-sales service isn’t down to the brand it’s down to the local dealer, I think master gets hammered for service because a lot of their sales are through events that travel around the country and some of those are prob real complaints but a lot of them are pissed off local dealers because these events roll into town and sell a hundred hot tubs in a weened and the local dealers go nuts… Forbes says around 70% of all reviews are fake I take them with a grain of salt.

  429. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:37 am

    The Coast and the beachcomber are the best of that lot by a long way, the only bad thing about the beachcomber is the skirts are non-removabele so if you ever have a leak yer screwed.

    Coast had a history of service complaints but seemed to have made some changes I’ve not heard much bad of late.

    Honestly, the max should be a lot less its nowhere near a top end tub and I really can’t recommend it, thin cradle supported shell, no clamps on the plumbing low R-value insulation, at 8 or 9k it would be ok but its not a $13k spa.

    Forget ozone… In fact, forget any of the miracle chemical reduction systems, they are all ok but nothing is an inexpensive, as low chemical, or as easy to use as this stuff…

  430. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:27 am

    Hey John

    Both tubs are great I think they are equal on most points. The apex has a slightly better jetting package but the neck jet on the Clarity is slightly better. so honestly, its a wash… That’s a high price on the apex though but spa in stock is worth a lot to some people who want them right away.

    I don’t think the actual interior depth is much different, I think coast seems to raise their spas on a pedestal.

  431. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:20 am

    listen 7k is cheap so at least yer there if you need repairs,

  432. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:19 am

    Honestly, the Nordic is better than either of the other two brands… its simple reliable well build spas, the best thing about the other two is the crazy expensive marketing to fool you into thinking they are top-end…

  433. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:18 am

    beachcomber for sure, the other two are fancy marketing but mid to low end tubs full of low price low R-value insulation, mid-grade build, and proprietary parts… the best thing about the hydro pool and the Arctic is the fancy marketing that fools you into thinking they are top-end really well-made spas…

  434. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:16 am

    A very good price… Unbelievably good, typically they list at $15k Cdn and go for $12900 ish

  435. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:14 am

    Ahha! your PayPal email is different than this one 🙂 check the other email account. I emailed you the same day you registered.

  436. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:12 am

    likely a 4kw or 5kw but not sure.

  437. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:08 am

    Just outside of my top group.

    too many goofy things… first the shell is nothing special despite all the bulllshit marketing, I toured the factory last Jan and the steel they put in is so thin it made me laugh. its a regular mid grade cradle supported shell with a bunch of fluffy marketing 🙂

    make sure you get a unit with balboa controls and order the full foam upgrade if yer in a cold climate.

  438. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:05 am

    Hey John, it started out as generosity but its resonating, and I’m making a good living out of helping people and cutting through the bullshit, and by turning peeps to more sustainable products it helps reduce the environmental impact a lot as well so win-win-win!!! which is pretty rewarding.

    The Bay area I to a ton of business in, my private buyer’s service is well worth your money we can get you hooked up with any of the good brands down there and you literally have around 20-30 independent service companies around you for fixing hot tubs so skip the retailers and get a factory-direct or wholesale deal.

    one of the reasons I run 4-5 days behind on these replies now is the private buyer’s service has exploded, I’m running 40-50 of these at any one time and I have loads of retailers on board that are happy to pass on the $400 or more in commissions they normally pay a sales guy back to the customer instead, from my point I can be 100% objective because instead of earning a commission pushing you into what I have I am paid by you so it makes no difference to my fiances which unit you buy and I can be objective plus I always save you more than the fee

  439. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:05 am

    Hey John, it started out as generosity but its resonating, and I’m making a good living out of helping people and cutting through the bullshit, and by turning peeps to more sustainable products it helps reduce the environmental impact a lot as well so win-win-win!!! which is pretty rewarding.

    The Bay area I to a ton of business in, my private buyer’s service is well worth your money we can get you hooked up with any of the good brands down there and you literally have around 20-30 independent service companies around you for fixing hot tubs so skip the retailers and get a factory-direct or wholesale deal.

    one of the reasons I run 4-5 days behind on these replies now is the private buyer’s service has exploded, I’m running 40-50 of these at any one time and I have loads of retailers on board that are happy to pass on the $400 or more in commissions they normally pay a sales guy back tot eh customer, from my point I can be 100% objective because instead of earning a comishion pushing you into what I have i am paid by you so its makes no difference to my fiances which unit you buy and I always save you more than the fee

  440. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 8:05 am

    Hey John, it started out as generosity but its resonating, and I’m making a good living out of helping people and cutting through the bullshit, and by turning peeps to more sustainable products it helps reduce the environmental impact a lot as well so win-win-win!!! which is pretty rewarding.

    The Bay area I to a ton of business in, my private buyer’s service is well worth your money we can get you hooked up with any of the good brands down there and you literally have around 20-30 independent service companies around you for fixing hot tubs so skip the retailers and get a factory-direct or wholesale deal.

    one of the reasons I run 4-5 days behind on these replies now is the private buyer’s service has exploded, I’m running 40-50 of these at any one time and I have loads of retailers on board that are happy to pass on the $400 or more in comsisions htey normally pay a sales guy back tot eh customer, from my point I can be 100% objective because instead of earning a comishion pushing you into what I have i am paid by you so its makes no difference to my fiances which unit you buy and I always save you more than the fee

  441. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:55 am

    You live beside the biggest hot tub dealer in the world these guys sell around 7000 hot tubs all around the US (for comparison the local dealers might sell a couple hundred…) You cant touch them price-wise and being in their back yard I’m sure they will take good care of you.

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  442. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:53 am

    weird dude, not sure what to say other than what Tim is already saying. you sure your test strips are not contaminated?

    you dont have a strong chlorine smell?

  443. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:52 am

    good catch!

    bioth brands are made by may manufacturing (artesian spas) but im not sure of the build standard on the Tropic

  444. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:48 am

    Hey Sandy Thanks for the business, I know we are already conversing but I’m just trying to plow through the 70 outstanding comments 🙂

    This is becoming more than just a full-time job!

  445. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:46 am

    Hey Benjamin.

    The Cal spa is just outside my top group and by far the best of that lot, then the BF none of the others I would touch with a 10-foot pole.

  446. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:45 am

    yep good call the artesian is best then the Nordic then the Bullfrog.

    but round tubs are rare because they suck for usable space, and look pretty dated 🙂

  447. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:44 am

    It’s proving to be a real hit, were going to do around $600-1000 of these this year and so far the response has been really positive, customers save a lot, and dealers seem to like it for the most part as I do all the hard work, and it’s totally objective because instead of a sales guy pushing an agenda to make money I can be honest because it doesn’t affect what I make in any way.

  448. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:33 am

    Hey Jon

    that’s what I thought, still a mystery how they had 2017 in stock…

    The frog ball we can’t use here for some reason so ai don’t really know but it would be awesome to have a dichlor dispenser. the tabs are harsh on the tubs plastic dichlor is much easier on the system but if you have to put a teaspoon every few days in its a mess for most people 🙁

  449. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:31 am

    Hey Kelsey

    The artesian over the BF for sure, better shell better parts. price wise its a little high but COVID rush on hot tubs is seeing very few solid deals to be had right now.

    Don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems on any brand of hot tubs, trust me there is no super system that’s dramatically better than anyone else, and the reality that all manufacturers hate is nothing is as effective as the aftermarket add-in stuff.

    Honestly man buy this shit… its lower chemical, way less expensive, easier to manage and extend your jets life… its a no brainer…

  450. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:26 am

    hey dude go see these guys

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  451. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:25 am

    a bunch of little things… it’s a pretty mid-end build with a cradle supported shell and a low-end low r-value insulation system.

    its not a nightmare tub but it should come into the mid-end price range

  452. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:23 am

    Yeah its a weird old school thing you rarely see anymore, retailers used to rename spas under a private label to give the illusion they made it or to prevent customers from cross-shopping and you rarely see it anymore but yes it is made by Master 🙂

  453. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:21 am

    Honestly, I can’t get behind the brand, its a thin cradle supported shell, no clamps on the plumbing and low R-value insulation system.

  454. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:20 am

    I was supposed to down there march but COVID killed it 🙂

    the fact that they have invited me down to see the factory speaks volumes, I have had my eyes on their spas and they seem to be doing all the right things. hopefully plan on a visit soon when things calm down… currently not allowed to travel without going through 14 days isolation 🙁

  455. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:18 am

    Hi, andy sorry for the delay super busy I’m running around 50 private buyers services a week and they are taking a lot fo my time.

    both are good choices for sure.

  456. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:16 am

    Hi Johnathon

    thanks for the business and the compliment, mainly I know a lot about the subject, makes it easy to sound smart lol 🙂

  457. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:14 am

    winterizing is a pain in the ass and often results in freeze damage and even if it doesn’t it will result in higher service rates.

  458. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 7:13 am

    Hey Scotty

    That price is way too high for a bullfrog, honestly its a pretty middle oft he road brand with an inexpensive abs plastic shell, and gecko control and heating system. they should be sub 10k

    The Panhandle does not have a lot of good options, but you have a lot fo independent service peeps right around you so wholesale would be a good option for you, I can definitely save you money through the private buyer’s service there.

  459. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 6:41 am

    Hi Brian

    I think they rate like this for performance.

    Michael Phelps – True Swim (Phelps more like open water swimming, Tru more like pool)
    Endless top end
    H2X Challenger
    Hydropool
    H2X Trainer
    Aqua Trainer

    I think they rank like this for quality end efficiency

    MP
    H2X
    Trueswim – only because the insulation will run around $100/ year more – other than that tied with the top two

    Then a big gap

    -AT
    -endless it was a lot better when PDC built it but since the buyout not so much.
    -Hydropool – again owned by US equity investment firm great marketing mid-grade build, the lowest end insualtion

  460. Reply
    admin June 24, 2020 at 6:34 am

    No idea 🙂

    why?

  461. Reply
    admin June 23, 2020 at 9:19 pm

    Yep nothing wrong with them good all-round build quality.

  462. Reply
    admin June 23, 2020 at 9:18 pm

    Hi Dan

    the Therapool would be ok for low-level swimming but he is right it’s not the same as the tidal fit 14 which would fall somewhere between the Therapool and the trainer 15 deep which would outpace them both.

    but there are a lot of options on the tidal fit, the entry-level is pretty much the same flow rate as the Therapool only if you upgrade the jetting and motor package will it be any better and the fully upgraded version will still be well short of the Trainer series.

  463. Reply
    admin June 23, 2020 at 10:16 am

    i sent you an email on the parkmed email address check yer spam folder

  464. Reply
    admin June 23, 2020 at 10:15 am

    both are not a great option, CSC is 100% made in China and its a thin cradle supported shell with an encapsulating high-density foam support structure that makes finding leaks a nightmare, it also uses a mix of good and bad parts… very similar on the pinnacle…

    $18k is not doable for a well-made swim spa that will last, you will just p[ile money into it over the years… $20k is about the entry-level to build a good swimmer.

  465. Reply
    admin June 23, 2020 at 10:12 am

    garden spa by artesian is a solid well built tub

  466. Reply
    admin June 23, 2020 at 10:11 am

    just in the comments maybe but I refund it if you don’t save money simple as that, I’ve refunded 3 of the 100 or so I did in the last couple months.

  467. Reply
    admin June 23, 2020 at 10:10 am

    weird that they have 2017 in stock, I would assume it might have had an issue and they had to swap it but who knows.

    the circ pump is a nonissue either way I prefer no circ pump but its not a deal-breaker.

  468. Reply
    admin June 23, 2020 at 10:09 am

    Sundance is owned by an equity investment corporation and the best thing about it is the fancy expensive marketing and branding bullshit which is why its more expensive, the ASrtesian is a far better-built unit for sure.

  469. Reply
    admin June 23, 2020 at 10:07 am

    Hi

    Sorry for the late response, I’m happy to refund your priority response but every time I started this one I lost the will to live 🙂

    **How long does it take to raise the temp from what to what. IE….what do you turn it down to save energy? (I like it hot!) —Always leave it at the temperature that you want to use.—-
    **What should it be costing each month to run a 200 gallon hot tub? (it is costing a lot more than the $10. that I saw someplace!!) — around $30/month average over the year but usage can make that higher—-
    **It seems to ALWAYS be foamy as I run the jets after putting in one chemical or another. The defoamer works like a charm, but I don’t wear clothes in it and have often showered beforehand. — make sure the ph is balanced and try and reduce any soap getting in—
    **This may sound really ‘dumb’ but are the jets on ‘high’ when there is a lot of added air or when there is none? Is ‘high’ considered to be the therapy mode? —-add air makes the jets harder so that would be the highest —-
    **I’ve been rotating the pleated filters as you recommended. And now am about to change the water. How do I know when the filter is not doing its job anymore? It has been 8 months turned on, used lightly by just me. What about the EcoPur orange filter. Just change it on a 12-month cycle or ???? Are there any other ways to know when things need replacing? —-main filters last 12-18 months eco pure cartridge 9 months—–

  470. Reply
    admin June 23, 2020 at 10:04 am

    Nothing really that I would buy except maybe the freeflow, its the best tub hot Springs makes.

    you do have 3 service cneters in town though so try these guys

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    admin June 23, 2020 at 9:56 am

    The best thing about the tub is the marketing, branding and expensive advertising… a tub with an inexpensive plastic shell with pedestal supporting and a second rate heating and control system with that kind fo performance should sell for sub 10k for sure.

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    admin June 23, 2020 at 9:54 am

    hey dude. the best thing about the arctic is the expensive branding, marketing, and advertising they use to fool you into thinking its a really well built next-gen spas when the reality is it has a good shell, but is full fo proprietary parts, inexpensive low R-value insulation and they don’t even clamp the plumbing lines… the beachcomber is a much better-built unit.

  473. Reply
    admin June 23, 2020 at 9:52 am

    low-end mass merchant quality tubs, they use a mid-end parts list I doubt they clamp the lines but worst of all they use a High-density foam for the insulation, this usually indicates a cheap shell and they are using the structural foam for support which makes finding and repairing leaks a nightmare…

  474. Reply
    admin June 23, 2020 at 9:49 am

    yep I emailed you Thu, Jun 18, 12:51 PM (5 days ago) on your hot mail account that the payment was processed under… Ill send it to this email as well…

  475. Reply
    admin June 22, 2020 at 1:47 pm

    Hi Steve

    You have the usual suspects like jacuzzi and hot springs which are way overpriced and frankly middle fo the road and both brands are full of proprietary parts which make them a total no go for me.

    Then there is a garden leisure dealer but this is the opposite, low price but not great build quality.

    locally there is one brand I would buy local there and that’s the PDC spas from Parrot bay.

    Parrot Bay Pools & Spas
    3011 Town Center Dr. Suite 130, Fayetteville, NC 28306
    http://www.parrotbaypoolsnc.com
    +1 910-429-0086

  476. Reply
    admin June 21, 2020 at 2:30 pm

    Hi Greg

    The PDC and h2X and artesian are all good options. I think the 15 foot in a deep model is a good choice.

    Locally there is only one brand id bee looking at and that’s Oasis Outdoor

    11729 Carolina Pl Pkwy, Pineville, NC 28134
    oasisoutdoor.com
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    however, you do have 5 good service companies around you so looking some further out dealers might be worth it.

    try Master spas at Davids Home Entertainment
    2566 Asheville Rd, Waynesville, NC 28786
    davidshomeentertainment.com
    +1 828-452-5534

    and PDC at Dixon Pool & Spa, Inc.
    122 Alamance Rd, Burlington, NC 27215
    +1 336-221-0808

  477. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:49 pm

    Yeah, you spoke to John lol he is always a bit abrupt but he is the owner of the largest hot tub seller in the world, it always amazes me that he deals one on one with thousands of hot tub customers… it’s impossible to best his pricing in that market and honestly, they have hundreds of service sites and do a pretty good job at this, in some markets I would encourage you to stay local but on the west coast its the way to go.

  478. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:46 pm

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  479. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:44 pm

    H2X beats it on depth, flow rate, and the massage jets. honestly Master dominates the swim spa market they are not only one of the first to make and sell them but they sell more than any other company in the world by a long shot.

  480. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:42 pm

    Yep for sure, I’ll get you good deals there and as always if I don’t I will simply refund your money no questions asked…

    The reason I’m so late responding to the comments section is I’m swamped with private buyers which I have to respond to right away.

  481. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:39 pm

    Freestyle is Sunrise spas, it’s middle of the road all the way around from the cradle supported shell to the low R-value insulation and middle of the road performance with mostly small low flow jetting and very few of the expensive high flow therapy jets.

    the BC is a better build with a hand-rolled self-supporting shell, and the insulation system has about 3x the r-value but that damn non-removable skirt is the killer and again that Costco tub is expensive for a basic single pump 20 jet spa.

    lakeside pools do Coast that’s the best locally there are also a lot of service guys around you so going wholesale is not a bad option either.. Do my private buyer’s service I will for sure save you more than the cost of the service no matter what you want to buy or I refund it, I have lot fo contacts around you and out of the 500 or so I do every year I’ve only refunded like 2…

  482. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:23 pm

    John the AW is not high on my list, its a thinner cradle supported shell with no clamps on the plumbing, and a dodgy low R-value insulation system.

  483. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:19 pm

    first off don’t rotate them when they are on high, second if you have them in mid positions they are noisy but typically quiet when all the way one-way or the other.

  484. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:18 pm

    shit dude… which border??? Canada? NY state? Mass? or Mane?

  485. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:16 pm

    I think i just answered this…

    loungers are a noob buy, second time buyers almost never buy them… yer floating man, you don’t notice things like comfortable seating and recliners…

    TS is for masssage

    clarity is for fun and spas with mid level massage

  486. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:15 pm

    Definitely the Artesian fi for no other reason that the meatheads at beachcomber made the skirt nonremovable to save a couple hundred off the production cost but if you ever get a leak yer screwed… other than that they are both built to the same standard with most of the same parts. the artesian will also kick the BC ass on performance, BC only does middle-end massage spas.

    go see the TS 8’s and compare them tot he Artesian, again same build, and parts but even more of the expensive high flow therapy massage jets.

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  487. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:11 pm

    Bang for the buck the Bar Harbour LE from getaway hot tubs.. 40 jet 2 pump, super well built and insulated. its more than the crap at the big box stores but in an entirely different league.

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    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:07 pm

    First-time buyers often buy loungers the second time buyers rarely do.

    the main difference between Clarity and TS is jetting and massage performance… Clarity has your regular mix of low flow and mid-flow jets, twilight has all high flow and mid-flow therapy massage jetting its a lot better therapy massage if that’s on your want list, if you just after a nice massage and big open spaces for soaking then clarity ios you go to.

  489. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:04 pm

    Hi.

    that’s a stupidly low price… I didn’t think your numbers are right Im seeing Ts7 series at 9500 on a good deal. The full foam systems are the most expensive and have a lot higher R-value that will definitely mean lower running costs

    Bullfrog is not a bad rig but there ABS plastic shell and the gecko control system keep it just out of my top group, The best thing I can say about the jacuzzi is that for a tub built with cheap labor in Mexico with a goofy proprietary parts list and mid-end performance they sure nailed the marketing!!!

  490. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 1:00 pm

    Hi Niki

    for sure the beachcomber, its a well build high-end spa and the Hydropool is a well marketed middle-end spa. but unfortunately the Beachcomber does not do any high-end massage spas, most fo the jetting is a pretty low end with mostly the small low flow jets and usually, only a few of the good 5″ high flow therapy jets and no neck or shoulder jetting also the skirts are not removable which means leaks repairs are an expensive nightmare even under warranty which doesn’t cover removal or replacement tot he test facility it has to go to to be fixed…

    Hot Tub Universe in Halifax ships a lot of spas there and have a guy on the ground for service and repairs.

    If you want the build quality of the beachcomber with a higher performance jetting package talk to Theresa about the Twilights, I think she is from the rock as well.

    Theresa@hottubuniverse.ca

    .

  491. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 12:54 pm

    its a bit high I would say, if it’s available right away it’s worth paying because most tubs are 90-120 days out…

  492. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 12:51 pm

    yep Its a good spa built by Artesian spas.

    check it price-wise against the getaway hot tubs and clarity hot tubs its should land right at the top of getaway and just under Clarity price wise:

    Master spa Toronto
    Griffin Ryan
    griffryan@hotmail.com
    1 (416) 779-0563

  493. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 12:49 pm

    hey, dude, I emailed you
    Mon, Jun 15, 7:59 AM (4 days ago)

    not had a response… check yer spam folder!

  494. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 12:47 pm

    man no idea 🙂 Ill look atthem if I ever get a chance 🙁

  495. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 12:47 pm

    out of Grimsby Ontario, its middle of the road, cradle supported shell and super cheap low R-value insulation system… between mass merchant crap and top-end stuff

  496. Reply
    admin June 19, 2020 at 12:43 pm

    The Bullfrog for sure

  497. Reply
    admin June 18, 2020 at 1:59 pm

    Hey john

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    $11495 is the right number I won’t be of much use there.

    There are some big concerns with a lot fo factories now but master did a really smart thing early on… they cut half the tubs out of production, they cut all the color options out, and they put on extra shifts, I don’t think its an issue.

  498. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 11:26 am

    10k is a solid number dude. it aint getting much better if at all.

  499. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 11:25 am

    Rec is a big group that does a lot of things, I find a specialist shop that just does swimmers and tubs is always your best bet for down the road service.

    Griff is a great dude, I know him well and he will just always take good care of peps and his pricing is sold.

    product-wise the H2X is my favorite line. build wise its as good as you can buy and performance-wise it not only has a better flow system, it also has the best massage jetting of any swim spa I’ve laid eyes on.

    Im sure both brands will be good for you but if pricing is similar or even a tad higher with Griff go with him.

  500. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 11:22 am

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    stereos suck on every hot tub.. they sound good but you pay 3x what you wold for just a good outdoor system and they are notoriously unreliable in all hot tubs.

    warranty is a gamble… sometimes worth it most times not… depends on what piecesof mind is worth to you and what your risk aversion level is 🙂

  501. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 11:20 am

    Hi Chris.

    Its a good tub but the non-removable sides is a nightmare if you ever have a leak and $7500 for a single pump 20 jets unit is no bargain, go to a local retailer for Coast, master, Artesian, or pDC and you will get the same quality, removable sides, and the same or better price and support a local dealer…

    My argument with mass merchants is that they suck at hot tubs… its either cheap crap like 90% of it or when they have a decent tub its no great price…

  502. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:49 am

    I for sure would not do HS, its a great marketing company and a middle of the road tub with mid-end performance and proprietary parts.

    No idea what up with marquis, they were dodgy as hell from the start… then IO got fed up and bought a new one to see for sure and it was a mess, they claim its a one off but refuse to let me into the facotry to verify build quality… sounds like a dodge to me…

  503. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:47 am

    both good brands cant find the freedon 50 do you have a link?

  504. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:42 am

    flat slab

  505. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:39 am

    yep good price, Dr wellness is nowhere near the quality of the south seas…

  506. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:39 am

    I’m just going to say what you already knew I was going ot say… Crap…

    Champagne spas do artesian its the only good brand around you. there are tons of service guys around you because no one buys local prices are too high.

  507. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:36 am

    Hi Amber.

    Both very similar.. the piper glen price is ridiculous. it’s worth $12-13k tops…

    The Bali is a more reasonable price and both are equal.

  508. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:33 am

    hard to say but right now you would be hard-pressed to get a spa delivered in under 120 days.

  509. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:32 am

    Its middle fo the road the ABS shell is a big decrease in quality over a good shell.

    Not a nightmare brand by any means but not in my top group.

    jetting wise the models you snet are pretty middle fo the road, it should be in the $6-$7 k range?

  510. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:11 am

    LOL

    That’s my store dude 🙂 too funny most of this site traffic is US and I never get any local action even with 180,000 hot tub buyers a year coming here 🙂

    Both are great brands and well built.

    The only downside to the BC is the sides are nonremovable… if you ever get a leak even under warranty its an expensive train wreck, you need to have the tub removed to a repair site and you pay removal and reinstall its dumb… but other than that they are both solid well built tubs.

  511. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:08 am

    no worries its a solid tub with great use of space and good performance. enjoy!

    happy ho tubbing!

  512. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 9:05 am

    Hi Kathy

    I know him and have personally had nothing but good dealings.

    forget reviews and rating sites they are total bullshit, Forbes says around 70% are fake! corporations use them as marketing tools, pissed off dealers use them to smash their competitors, and retailers use them to make themselves look good. Even google review are bullshit I’ve had people who aren’t even my customer that live 3 hrs away post bullshit and google says tough luck… its a pay to rank world 🙂

    I wouldnt be too conceerned with getting either tub if the massage is a big thing wait but the clarity is a good middle upper end performance spa anyway…

  513. Reply
    admin June 17, 2020 at 8:46 am

    You have loads of good options there…

    Master Spas and Coast are by far your best two, then beachcomber but BC performance doesn’t get to the high end and the non-removable sides are an expensive freeking nightmare if you get a leak

  514. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 9:11 pm

    its a marquis brand, not had great luck with them…

  515. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 9:11 pm

    The insulation is pathetic Mylar and radiant barriers, in general, are shit for containing heat in a system… The Canadian mortgage housing authority warned consumers about this crap in the ’80s when it was sold as they next miracle attic insulator… notice no one uses it in houses anymore??? its cause it’s a regulated industry where you cant s just write some crap in a brochure and sell it.. it actually has to meet code based on the science 🙂 The brand after it went bankrupt a decade or so ago was then bought by an equity investment firm in the US who does really good marketing and branding, Unfortunately, the best thing about the tub is the brochure.

    Check out a coast at rec warehouse or an H2X at Griffs…

    Master spa Toronto
    Griffin Ryan
    griffryan@hotmail.com
    1 (416) 779-0563

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  516. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 9:05 pm

    sounds like yer doing it right.

    is the water clean and clear?

    it’s normal to have to bump alkalinity every week… always do alk to the top of ok then pH if needed.

  517. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 9:02 pm

    A couple of things have changed over the last few years… First off compression fit jet housings and barbed pipe attachments with the pipe over the barb and glued and clamped have honestly pretty much ended leaks on really well-made tubs, add to that not having any fittings under the tub anymore or in the floor which traditionally is the hard ones to find and fix and really its no an issue.

    Secondly better access with entire sides being able to be removed and a specialty foam that can literally be sucked out with a shop vac and your fingers have made finding and fixing a leak pretty easy.

    hit Theresa up at hot tub universe.

    theresa@hottubuniverse.ca

  518. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 8:59 pm

    Nope, I keep trying to find a partner there but no luck.

    I can get you one but no backup or support other than parts… are you a handi person?

    If not try cost or artesian

  519. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 8:52 pm

    its dynasty spa I think… either way, private labels are never a good choice, its a tub made by a manufacturer, then bought and relabeled by a distributor, and then sold to a dealer, and finally sold to You…

    The extra layer of profit means no matter what, you are paying more than you should…

  520. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 8:50 pm

    see the other post for comments on the artesian and cal (BTW the artesian is better build)

    but $9500 for a TS 8.2? that’s a crazy good man that’s pre COVID prices…

  521. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 8:08 pm

    In three years if it hasn’t had service yet it will mean heater, pump rebuild, and cover. in the next 3 years. yer around $1000 to $1200

    It’s you’re call if it was poorly maintained water it will be faster if it was meticulous you will be longer.

    You need to analyze your risk aversion 🙂

  522. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 8:03 pm

    sweet let me know if you need help 🙂

  523. Reply
    admin June 15, 2020 at 8:01 pm

    Honestly, I do so many private buyers services around here that you’d be nuts not to get my service, I could send you to East coast spas which would be my number one choice or I could send you to PDC spas up at KS pools which is a solid buy as well but I will absolutely save you more than the $250 charge for the private buyer’s service and you will have me if you ever need help 🙂 Its like protective custody. Absolutely everyone int he hot tub world knows me… some love me some hate me but no one wants to be on my bad side 🙂

  524. Reply
    admin June 13, 2020 at 12:17 pm

    I’ll email you the line drawing.

  525. Reply
    admin June 12, 2020 at 12:53 pm

    Neither are great options but the Dynasty is a strict no go… see the comments at the bottom of this review

    Jacuzzi J280 is a really basic jetting package and it full of proprietary parts, the best thing about the brand honestly is the fantastic marketing, advertising and branding that make it appear to be a good top-end tub…

    for that kind of money, you can get a better built new except the 120 days wait for delivery from most retailers right now…

  526. Reply
    admin June 12, 2020 at 12:50 pm

    NP happy hot tubbing

  527. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 7:07 pm

    dude go with spa marvel… its so easy and low chem and reliable

  528. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 7:06 pm

    Beachcomber for sure of those two, the jacuzzi is overpriced and full of proprietary parts

    The problems with beachcomber are the non-removable skirt if you have a leak yer screwed, dumb corner to cut but otherwise, if you stay away from he dumb ass hybrid option its a good spa.

    check out Fraiser valley as well they do master and coast spas lifestyles do Coast both better options. Coast Spas Lifestyles Langley City, BC

    Fraser Valley Hot Tubs
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  529. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:54 pm

    I like Nordic, solid reliable… bullfrog not so much…

  530. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:53 pm

    Damn, they are very similar and no real plus or minus.

    But yer right there is fuck all around you…

  531. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:51 pm

    these are the only guys to go see.

    Carolina Spa Company
    Coast Spas
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  532. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:47 pm

    Yep good spa and i love the open space.

    Happy hot tubbing

  533. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:46 pm

    yeah for sure go see Sean at Valley pools and spas, they are an award-winning company and are one fo the best dealers I have ever met…

    They carry H2X and Phelps as their high end and Cal spa as their lower end.

    Valley Pool & Spa
    Status: HTU All-Star
    Approved brands: Master, H2X, MPL, Twilight, Phelps swim spas

    I spent 3 days with the wonderful folks from valley Pool and spa. These guys are in a class of their own and carry my goto brand Master.

    info@valleypoolandspa.com Sean, Sonya
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  534. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:44 pm

    Pavers if properly laid are fine but monitor for sagging if they do address it right away. a slight grade is ok but put your filter at the low end.

  535. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:43 pm

    Hi

    Of the local guys, the best is Coast then Beachcomberthe other two are not in the running.

  536. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:42 pm

    Swim-N-Pools Billiards & Spas in Chester does Nordic, a decent entry level spa.

    Turner’s Pool & Spa Services in Fredericksburg does PDC it’s a solid choice,

  537. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:40 pm

    Not a lot of great brands there, loads of euro trash, and the big marketing corps selling their cheap overpriced shite with the goofy parts.

    too bad about the bad first impression but remember hot tub guys are going COVID mad… we have been run off our feet flat out for the last 90 days and we are becoming a little unraveled 🙂

  538. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:35 pm

    Both good tubs and there are no real plusses or minuses… get the pone with the better price tag and better dealer if applicable…

  539. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:34 pm

    talk then
    🙂

    happy hot tubbing

  540. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:34 pm

    heard of them and I don’t know enough to comment there is no real info on the brand I can find.

  541. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:31 pm

    The best thing about Hydropool is the marketing, the Artesian is in an entirely higher class with a better shell, better build, and better insulation… Hydropool is mass merchant quality but more expensive.

  542. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:30 pm

    Funnily enough, I talked to the turbo guy the other day, a nice guy builds good spas, I’m not fond of the torsion hose system I still think a regular line clamped is better but all in all, seemed like a good value for the money brand… but I’ve never seen one first hand so a lot of hearsay…

    Catalina is the mass merchant quality. Almost anything is better.

    honestly get my buyers service, I do 5-7 a week there and have loads of good contacts who will get us solid pricing.

  543. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:27 pm

    That’s a tough one man I cant find anything

  544. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:26 pm

    PDC spas

    Precision Pool and Spa
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  545. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:24 pm

    You might want to try the challenger if yer doing triathlons you might find the trainer series right on the edge whereas the challenger will definitely keep up with your training.

    the rollup seems like a good product I’m monitoring 10 in the field right now going back around 3+ years and everyone loves them and no real issues.

  546. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:21 pm

    Florida is like the west coast

    There is a couple of brothers that dominate the entire state, they sell more tubs than all the rest of the dealers combined…

    They are low overhead high volume. Its why there are so few retailers, the only guys hanging on are the massively overpriced heavily marketed and advertised brands like hot springs and Jacuzzi and the low-end crap.

    There are no good brands locally but there are tons of service guys.

    Hit up southeast spas, they are just opening a third location and I know the service that area. their prices are good and they carry master which is solid, none of my other top 5 brands is around there.

    I don’t have the new location but call this number they can help you
    1 239-202-0225

  547. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:14 pm

    numbers 5 and 6 if anything…

    My advice is this:

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Also download this app It lets you Manage your hot tub chemistry without hassle, diagnose and fix water issues, troubleshoot any problems and even request service on your tub. Spa Star will do all that and more and best of all IT’S FREE!
    https://www.spa-star.net/

  548. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 6:13 pm

    The reality is its likely just the main manifolds that are split. honestly, I would repair it the likely hood is you will be in for 8 hours of labor and a couple hundred in parts. even if you split pump heads it would only add another $300 or so… I would guess all said and done you would be $1500-2k

    amazon 2-3k tubs are delayed landfill.. that TS is a super good machine.

  549. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 12:25 pm

    Hi Jean

    Talk to Darren at city hot tubs he carries master spas and will take good care of you, I know him personally tell him Chris says hi.

    City Hot Tubs and Pools
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  550. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 12:23 pm

    Hi, Oliver, I emailed you on Wed, Jun 10, 9:43 AM

    check your spam filter if you don’t see it.

  551. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 9:33 am

    Hi Michael!

    OMG its too early in the morning for this, I laughed so hard I choked on my coffee, I love it… These are regular low to mid-end cradle supported shells with low-end insulation systems, and mid to low end jetting just like any mass merchant spa and they are worth right around $6k full pop retail the insane laughable retail prices on the site of $17-20+k literally are some arbitrary number some dumb shit threw out there to try and fool peeps into thinking these are good tubs… OMG whoever is in charge of their marketing needs to be replaced…

  552. Reply
    admin June 11, 2020 at 9:04 am

    Yeah, it’s not so much a price increase its more that there were big discounts and deals available in a very competitive market place and margins were getting pretty thin, now there are not those big rebates available. wait a few months I think you will see the market settle back down and prices get more competitive.

  553. Reply
    admin June 10, 2020 at 5:10 pm

    Buyers’ service is always going to save you money but right now prices are high or more accurately the big discounts to attract business are not present.

    I predict lead times will go out to 180 days for all brands and then the market will cool towards the end of the year but who knows.

  554. Reply
    admin June 10, 2020 at 5:08 pm

    Right now I would say your lucky to get one for $10,500.

  555. Reply
    admin June 10, 2020 at 5:06 pm

    Hi Darcy

    It’s south seas by artesian. I think you need to upgrade it to full foam. no problem for parts, its all OEM standard You could buy different jets for the larger sockets not many options for the small sockets though.

    The jetting on the Rio is a mix there are quite a few of the high flow therapy jets but the neck and shoulder are the small low flow jets, it’s going to be ok… the Antiqua jetting is pretty much the same unless they have bigger pumps in the Antigua it doesn’t look much better. the HL is again very similar jetting with the small low flow neck shoulder jetting

    The 7.2 has a lot more of the high flow therapy jets and yep the pricing seems to be climbing everywhere… and everyone is 90-180 days right now.

    the big plus to the twilight is the neck jets… 4 of the 3.5″ high flow therapy jets, its the best massage jet package of any well-built spa on the market right now.

  556. Reply
    admin June 10, 2020 at 2:02 pm

    Hey Tim

    I think for you being on an island the dealer isn’t going to matter much 🙂 there is a local hot tub service guy on Orcas and one on Fidalgo and the nearest brand I would consider would be Seattle…

    And yes I think you are looking 12 weeks for a hot tub and some brands a lot more…

    Honestly, you might as well go to a wholesaler you will save money for sure and a retailer isn’t going to be much use to you out there.

    if you decide to buy and your budget is $6k+ hire me on the private buyers service Ill save you money and help when you need it down the road…

  557. Reply
    admin June 10, 2020 at 1:54 pm

    check yer other post.

    I’m not aware of that model and can’t find anything on it what price?

  558. Reply
    admin June 10, 2020 at 1:53 pm

    Nope… they invited me in with open arms then COVID sidelined my visit 🙁 as soon as things open back up we will revisit.

  559. Reply
    admin June 10, 2020 at 1:52 pm

    They used to be a big player now they are a little operation. I toured the factory last Jan and they didn’t make the cut for my top list. the shell that they sp[end so much time on in the marketing is just a regular mid-level cradle supported shell with these thin strips of metal that honestly were a joke. parts are a mixed bag and insulation is a mixed bag… if you get one with the balboa heating and control system and upgrade the insulation they wouldn’t be a nightmare brand just upper middle.

    Calypso Blue Pool & Spa in Columbia sells Artesian

    And hit my man Ben up he sells Masters there. ben@eastcoastspas.com

    Fireworks Hearth & Home in Haddam does PDC all better tubs

  560. Reply
    admin June 10, 2020 at 1:45 pm

    That’s a super low price… I’m seeing them go for a lot more esp right now $8k +.

  561. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 10:09 am

    Hey, dave shoot me a pic of the crack. ill email you.

  562. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 10:07 am

    I toured the factory last Jan, mixed bag, I wouldn’t put int in my nightmare group but there are some things that kept it out of my top group for sure.

    The Shell was just a regular mid-grade cradle supported shell and all the BS marketing around the steel re-enforcing was nonsense, the thin metal strips were clearly for show they were so lightweight that the added almost nothing to the shell structure. They used to be a big player and now they are a small operator but they still have the hangover… Way too many skews and options it made the production line a mess and there were a lot fo tubs on the test bench with tagged issues, they use good parts on some and mid parts on others, low R-value insulation on some good on others.

    All in all I dont think it a nightmare brand but it should not be priced or compared to the higher end stuff.

  563. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 8:11 am

    Yep Costco would be right 🙂 typical middle fo the road stuff, not a nightmare but basically an inexpensive mass merchant quality hot tubs like all the rest.

  564. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 8:09 am

    Hi Wendy. They are cool looking for sure, but jetting wise they are pretty low end on the massage curve… they would be a good commercial application I guess but honestly why unless yer totally in love with the look?

    they look uncomfortable as hell.

  565. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 8:07 am

    You likely inadvertently set your filter rate to high and its overheating from the reclaimed motor waste heat, set you filter rate to 4hrs every 12

    download spastar and run the troubleshooter.

  566. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 8:06 am

    I can’t because I don’t like them… they don’t last and they chew yer cover to shit. Get a regular top mount cover lifter

  567. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 8:04 am

    Honestly, the pricing on them makes me laugh. Its got an inexpensive ABS plastic shell that requires pedestal supporting and while their parts are at least OEM they are not my top brands. The whole pod’s things a bit gimmicky and by their own admission, they use way less pipe so why the price tag? it really should be in the mid-price point but fantastic expensive branding, advertising, and marketing trick you into thinking its really next-gen and its really just a mid-end tub with some goofy tech…

  568. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 8:00 am

    done 🙂

    I took a badly needed day off yesterday 🙂 first real solid day off since March 🙂

  569. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 7:58 am

    I think the price reflects what you could get really good swim spa for and you are buying a mid-grade swim spa. Hydropool is owned by a US equity investment group whos strength is making mid-grade spas sound freeking awesome with scads fo money spent on branding, adverting and marketing… in the end its mid-grade cradle supported shell, with an insulation system of Mylar which was basically banned in the 9=80’s as a primary insulator in any regulated industry. Cheap low R-value.

    In your area go look at the Coast, and the H2X both better built, better insulated. Coast you can find at rec warehouse H2X you can find here:

    Master spa Toronto
    Griffin Ryan
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  570. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 7:53 am

    The beachcomber is the only one worth looking at the other ones are landfill that just has to go through your backyard first… here is the Evolution, and the Aqyuatera is similar… all mass merchant tubs are crap honestly man the beachcomber is the only one ever to be sold through any mass merchant that wasn’t crap but look at the price!!! You can get better from a local retailer, plus that spa has one serous cut corner that makes it a nightmare if it gets a leak… The sides cant come off… It’s insane, if you get a leak even under warranty you have to pay to have it removed to a facility they then fix it under warranty then you pay to have it reinstalled… Over a grand for sure…

  571. Reply
    admin June 9, 2020 at 7:48 am

    Hi Greg

    So dual lounger spas are a rare breed 🙂 most second-time buyers don’t buy loungers there are a few that hit your mark.

    But for feet massage the lounger foot jets are not going to do much, honestly, for tough old dogs, you need the big 10″ foot jets with a dedicated pump…

    This one has everything, the good 3.5″ high flow jetting for legs and feet and neck and the 10″ monsters for a serious foot massage

    https://www.masterspas.com/twilight/ts-873

    Try here for pricing.

    Hot Tubs Inc
    Kevin Greenwood
    340-417-8728 kgreenwell@hottubsinc.com
    Master spa Micheal Phelps. Sam Greenwell daughter. I have spent me than a few days with Kevin the owner over the years and these guys run a great program and carry one of my favorite brands.
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    The reno from PDC as well, https://www.pdcspas.com/spas/luxury/reno check it out here:

    Sweetwater Pool & Spa Center
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  572. Reply
    admin June 7, 2020 at 1:06 pm

    the only local thing you have is Tubbys and they do Maxx which is just mass merchant quality low end stuff.

    there is a service guy about 20km form you called the Hot Tub Medic in Kirkfield so as long as you stay with standard parts yer good.

    There is a coast dealer in Thornhill and a master dealer in Mississauga with a location in Barrie…

    Hit griff up

    Master spa Toronto
    Griffin Ryan
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  573. Reply
    admin June 7, 2020 at 1:02 pm

    Regular mass merchant type quality with a cradle supported shell, cheap low R-Value insulation, and some goofy no name heating and control system.

  574. Reply
    admin June 7, 2020 at 8:48 am

    Its the middle ground like most tubs, Cradle supported shell with a low R-value cheap insulation system.

  575. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 9:02 pm

    you should get my private buyers service.

    Here are hot tubs

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/13CReQWWdzlfjfk2xBw9V6B22TpLcWrC3/view?usp=sharing

    you should get my private buyers service.

  576. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 8:56 pm

    good price and a good tub

  577. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 8:56 pm

    they build goos swimmers, with good parts and good insulation.

    performance wise the trainer series is solid with good flow rates.

    price seems about right. might be able to get a free set of lifters if you push 🙂

  578. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 8:52 pm

    Precision 7 Good price well-built spa with good parts and good insulation.

    Cal 749B is similar performance, I did their factory tour last Jan and it was a mix, The bullshit marketing about the shell was a serious let down… it was such a thin strip of metal it was clearly for marketing and not for build quality, a mix of good and second parts and way too many options and skews, their production was a mess they seemed to be doing mid-volume and trying to run way too many skews… They need to restructure…

    Naw Master or Artesian, or PDC or I think Coast but i need to travel 🙁

    Colorado custom sells artesian thier garden and south seas models might hit the price

    also Aqua Spas
    Rin Longmont, and in Castle Rock carry master look at the Getaway line and the clarity spas

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    admin June 6, 2020 at 8:52 pm

    Precision 7 Good price well-built spa with good parts and good insulation.

    Cal 749B is similar performance, I did their factory tour last Jan and it was a mix, The bullshit marketing about the shell was a serious let down… it was such a thin strip of metal it was clearly for marketing and not for build quality, a mix of good and second parts and way too many options and skews, their production was a mess they seemed to be doing mid-volume and trying to run way too many skews… They need to restructure…

    Naw Master or Artesian, or PDC or I think Coast but i need to travel 🙁

    Coplorado custom sells artesian thier garden and south seas models might hit the price

    also Aqua Spas
    Rin Longmont, and in Castle Rock carry master look at the Getaway line and the clarity spas

  580. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 8:37 pm

    Yep, I got a guy 🙂

    I will send you an email.

  581. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 8:36 pm

    LMFAO

    Me 🙂

    I have a little retail store there 🙂

    The worst part is 2 of the brands in my top 5 compete against me here 🙁

    McBurney’s is a local pool shop that does Beachcomber, a solid brand and a good company.

    Then some crap, then Hot Tub Universe. talk to Theresa, she is top of the pile 🙂

    If You buy my private buyers service I cant save you a penny we always sell at the same price 🙁

  582. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:55 pm

    Hi Andrea.

    Yeah, Hot Springs is great! at marketing and advertising and branding :-), there is no way they are worth any more than middle priced spas, they are fairly middle of the road performance, full of proprietary parts and they don’t even clamp the plumbing lines, they use 20-year-old tech with internally glued manifold… blows my mind that they sell those things for 2x what they are worth but that’s marketing for you. On the high ends the shell can’t even hold together its so flimsy so they fill the cavity with high-density structural foam to keep it from breaking which encases your plumbing and makes it insanely expensive and problematic to find and fix leaks. I swear Costco would be a better bang for your buck and that’s saying a lot because they are crap too but at least you are paying the right price for the crap 🙂

    You got a beachcomber, Coast and master dealer there, they are all better built better performance spas.

  583. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:36 pm

    Beachcomber for sure out of that mix the performance is not great but at least they are built well with good parts, the only real issue I have is the nonremovable skirt… insane.. when they leak yer screwed, and don’t buy the hybrid option its bad tech…

    The Arctic is all cheap Chinese proprietary parts low R-value insulation, and they don’t even bother to clamp the plumbing lines, the best thing about the brand is the brochure you’d be better with a Costco tub and that ain’t saying much.

    Maxx is again not great in this case its the cradle supported shell, similar insulation to the arctic and again no clamps on the plumbing…

  584. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:29 pm

    BF is wack a doodle on price especially considering its a fairly inexpensive spa to build it has a low-end ABS shell that requires a pedestal supporting system and a mid-grade parts list, by their own admission they use less pipe so why is it expensive??? I know what it costs to build hot tubs and this one is not expensive to build. No reason other than the tons of cash spent on marketing, advertising and branding bullshit 🙂

    better options… Coast spas at Del Mar Pools and Spas In Danbury

    Artesian spas at Royal Pools & Spas in Newburgh

    Or my dude Ben at east coast spas… ben@eastcoastspas.com

  585. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:17 pm

    Solid price for a twin pump tub with a good selection of the 5″ high flow jets, it’s built well with good parts

  586. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:16 pm

    sorry, Tammy, I was swamped!! I answered it 🙂

  587. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:15 pm

    Happy hot Tubbing

  588. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:12 pm

    Nope

    they won’t let me in 🙂 not sure if they are stupid stubborn or hiding but after that shit show of a spa, I got I’m not referring them any business until I see under the lid…

  589. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:11 pm

    solid tub good price

  590. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:09 pm

    Damn sorry man yes a refund is on route.

    I’ve been swamped I just got back comments down from over 90 to 10 🙂

  591. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:08 pm

    Thanks, Ed ill pass on the compliment, Michaela was born in the UK we lived in west sussex for a decade 🙂 so she had a soft spot for you 🙂

    Happy Hottubbing

  592. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:06 pm

    I like Coast built well and reliable with good parts but that’s a really steep price especially for the jet package which only has four fo the 5″ expensive hi flow therapy massage jets, and mostly the cheap 1.5″ low flow jets… the neck and shoulder jetting is again 1 little low flow jets which will do nothing for long term neck and shoulder therapy, no serious foot jet system either… honestly you can get the same bulkd quality and performance form many brand sin the 10 k range.

    Check out the Twilight and LSX spas they should be in that price range the build quality is comparable and the jetting package worth 2k more…

    Master spa Toronto
    Griffin Ryan
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  593. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:01 pm

    Dynasty has had a bad reputation and just read the customer comments at the end of this review…

    Dynasty review

  594. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 3:00 pm

    Its Catalina spas direct brand it’s middle of the road the same as most brands and mass merchant spas.

  595. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:58 pm

    only one top brand around you go see these guys

    Master Pool & Spa
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    +1 952-253-0665

  596. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:56 pm

    Im so sorry I missed this refund on the way!

  597. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:53 pm

    Good catch. its Dynastys dodge the bad rep plan Bahama spas is Dynasty and Ive never had a brand with so many complaints against it…:-)

  598. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:51 pm

    Hot Tub Service Plus Ltd.
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    345 Superior Blvd, Mississauga, ON L5T 2L6
    http://www.hottubserviceplus.com
    +1 905-829-0200

    Ian’s Hot tub Service
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    Fix My Hot Tub Oakville
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  599. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:29 pm

    Hi Mike

    Everyone is 90 days at least unless its an in-stock unit or on route.

    Sundance is not a great brand, it’s a low-end performance-wise tub with basic jetting, the equity investment firm that owns them is way way better at sping marketing and branding than making hot tubs and its full of proprietary parts, that tubs worth around $9k

    Bullfrog is middle of the road with a low-end ABS plastic shell that requires pedestal supporting and a second rate heating and control system, but it’s better than the Sundance for sure… at least the parts are OEM

    Artesian is a super well-built spa with way better performance but again the price is high… yes there is covid gouging going on because the market is so busy… its not going to get better anytime soon.

    Hit griff up tell him you came through me and I asked him nicely to get you a decent price… look at the LSX series and the twilights, they are built to the same standard as the Artesian with the same parts…

    Master spa Toronto
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  600. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:23 pm

    Hi Erica

    Nothing wrong with that pricing.

    the sams club tubs a piece of delayed landfill, don’t buy spas from mass merchants they suck.

  601. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:21 pm

    Hi, Chris, no wait at all… I’m so long on these answers because im swamped with Private buyers service but its a fast responsive service.

  602. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:20 pm

    yep Ill email you

  603. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:20 pm

    go see my buddy Nick

    Hot Tub Store
    thehottubstore2@aol.com

    The Hot Tub Store
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    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:19 pm

    Yeah for sure… that’s expensive for a good tub but it just proves what I always say… Mass merchants are not good prices on good tubs they are just cheap crappy spas… as soon as they get a decent spa the price is high…

    The only drawback to beachcomber besides the stupid high p[ricing is they are mid to low end performance wise and they have nonremovable skirts which is idiocy… if you get a leak (and yes they do leak from time to time like any spa) you can’t fix them without removing them to a facility… it costs a fortune.

    check out the getaway hot tubs and clarity spas same build quality and better performance my buddy grif sells them at

    Master spa Toronto
    Griffin Ryan
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  605. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:09 pm

    I got a guy I work with there il email you the details.

  606. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:08 pm

    P Kornfeind Pool & Spa Service LLC
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    http://www.service4yourpool.com
    +1 610-351-7522
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  607. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:06 pm

    Its a decent tub the neck and shoulder jetting, unfortunately, is only low flow 1.5″ jets but its well built and overall a mid-performance spa.

    I hate the damn foot domes though, they are a serious tripping hazard, no one with a clue does jets and plumbing under the floor, they are prone to leak because people walk on them and a bitch to fix, plus it means running water under the floor where there is so little insulation you bleed tons of heat through conduction…

  608. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 2:03 pm

    Garden Leisure is mid-grade and copies their color schemes and names to fool people 🙂 I do not like the insulation, they use icynene but instead of spending the money to fill the cavity they just use a couple inches… cheap and nowhere near code for a house in any northern region. They glue and clamp the plumbing but don’t use the more expensive barbed fittings, I do not like circ pumps they are a gimmick and they don’t use Balboa control and heating systems which for me is a total deal-breaker… in fact, there are loads that knock this out of my ok range.

    try Coast spas form these guys

    Syracuse Pool and Patio
    Coast spas
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  609. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 1:53 pm

    hit these guys up

    Artesian – Oasis Outdoor
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  610. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 1:50 pm

    Hi Karen.

    one of the reasons I’m so late answering this is I’m swamped with private buyer services.. its a winner I always save you more than my fee and stand behind you if you ever have issues. It’s like being in protective custody 🙂

    I can help you there for sure…

  611. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 1:49 pm

    both good brands but you are right the neck and shoulder jetting are a smash on the TS series but right again on pricing..

    see if you can get the dealer to move…

  612. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 1:48 pm

    PDC here
    Precision Pool and Spa
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    admin June 6, 2020 at 1:40 pm

    Hi, I would look at the Coast the Artesian and the Tropic seas only from pelican the other brands are not nearly as good.

    https://www.coastspas.com/spa-model.php?s=cs-mirage-curve-51
    https://southseasspas.com/965l-deluxe/
    https://artesianspas.com/island-spas/bimini/

    Also, hit my man Ben up and look at the clarity balance 9 and the MPL 900

    BEN@eastcoastspas.com

    https://www.masterspas.com/clarity/cls-balance-9
    https://www.masterspas.com/legend-series/mp_legend-lsx-900-hot-tub

  614. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 1:33 pm

    you have loads of options

    Soakers in Midvale sells artesian
    But my two goto peeps would be

    Leisure Pool & Spa
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    PDC – Clear Springs
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  615. Reply
    admin June 6, 2020 at 11:21 am

    Hi Michael

    the “self-cleaning” is a bit of a gimmicky tub it’s from Hydropool which is owned by an American equity investment firm they do great marketing but the tub itself has a lesser quality cradle supported shell and a cheap low r-value insulation system, Mylar was basically banned as a primary insulator in any regulated industry…

    I’m not sure about the pricing but I would expect it to come in around $12-$13k ish

  616. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 12:35 pm

    shit if yer not under warranty use a local service guy if you are under warranty yer screwed…

    post this under the strong spa review and paste a link tot he reviews on all your social media sites… these guys suck…

    I can’t help you much because they already hate me and get slagged off all the time on my site because y=they suck and therefore I have no threat to make them fix your nightmare…

  617. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 12:32 pm

    It’s not a bad price for either of those tubs

  618. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 12:29 pm

    Bullfrog is a middle of the road It has a less expensive ABS plastic shell which requires pedestal supporting and a OEM parts list that while better then the propritary stuff is not quite tier one.

    all in all its overpriced with a lot spent on marketing and branding and advertising to justify a high retail price.

  619. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 11:18 am

    yep they do i visted the factory last year they are a solid builder

  620. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 11:17 am

    I have no one there at all!

  621. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 11:00 am

    Fewer connections for sure but if you are gluing and clamping lines leaks are not an issue…

    I ran the math for friction losses with the flow rates a couple of times and the math seems right the big pipe with the high flow rate has more loss to friction than the small pipe with low flow rate, I didnt work in turbulence but with a higher flow rate that would be again negative for that system.

  622. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:58 am

    No idea, I’ve heard about it but its a little goofy and never get peeps asking about it and no time right no to properly investigate it sorry man!

  623. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:56 am

    hit up my buiddy Ben tell him chris sent you ben@eastcoastspas.com

  624. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:55 am

    YEP

  625. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:55 am

    no one right around you call the factory direct.. also check out these guys locaLLY

    Hot Tub Store
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    nickvee30@yahoo.com My Cell # is: 586 214 1001

    Thanks so much,
    Nick Vendittelli
    The Hot Tub Store
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  626. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:53 am

    Run like hell.

    I have never had so many people report issues with the Dynasty brand and Bahama spas is just a new name to hide the old scars… read the comments at the bottom of my review,

  627. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:46 am

    Hey, Ed its Chris I’m Michaela dad 🙂

    She has been helping me and seems to have learned a lot through osmosis of years of listening to me yell about hot tubs 🙂

    I am not aware of the differences sorry, but hit them up and ask them for an explainer!

  628. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:44 am

    Beachcomber is not a nightmare unless you get a leak then the non-removable skirt that saved you $400 will cost you a fortune… dumbass thing to have on a spa, if those guys tweaked their business model just a bit they would be tier-one… and by the way they are still a better buy than 80% of the crap out there.

    hit these guys up they rock and service your area, the Clarity spa or getaway would compare nicely and have better performance and removable skirts.

    Valley Pool & Spa
    Status: HTU All-Star
    Approved brands: Master, H2X, MPL, Twilight, Phelps swim spas

    I spent 3 days with the wonderful folks from valley Pool and spa. These guys are in a class of their own and carry my goto brand Master.

    info@valleypoolandspa.com Sean, Sonya
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  629. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:40 am

    its a good tub built by artesian no worries dude happy hot tubbing

  630. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:40 am

    forget reviews, Forbes says like 70% are fake I bet its a lot more… trust me the corporate asshats are using reting and review sites as gorilla marketing playgrounds its 90% bullshit…

    the Aretsain is far and away the better tub on every front.

  631. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:39 am

    Hi Bryce

    master and Artesian are known brands with visibility of the factory and proof of build quality, I’ve not had good luck with Marquis, the one I got my hands on was a bit of a wreck.

  632. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:37 am

    for massage focus on the jets on the pumps… you want big jets 3.5″ and 5″ high flow the little 1.5″ jets don’t do much… I would go to the footballer option with 45 jets if you want massage.

  633. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:36 am

    plastic shell and although the parts are OEM they are not the top ones, its not a nightmare brand by any means.

    In Edmonton you can get Coast, Beachcomber, Master… all better build choices and remember… you only see the inside of a hot tub when yer shopping and its empty 😉

  634. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:34 am

    three good brands locally

    Coast – Choice Pool & Spa
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    Spa & Pool Outlet
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    We know nothing about these guys but the carry Artesian of our goto brands
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    PDC, Nordic – Parrot Bay Pools & Spas
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  635. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:32 am

    No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Also download this app It lets you Manage your hot tub chemistry without hassle, diagnose and fix water issues, troubleshoot any problems and even request service on your tub. Spa Star will do all that and more and best of all IT’S FREE!
    https://www.spa-star.net/

  636. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:30 am

    the only Artesian dealer around you that I can find is in Oxnard!

    Elite is a waste of money, goofy shit but no real value.

    There hardly any dealers in LA anymore, its too expensive to have a showroom but there are loads of service centers around you, most people buy from wholesalers around there.

    It’s a good solution you save a couple of grand on the price, there are tons of service guys so that’s not an issue and with apps like SpaStar most of what you need a dealer for is on your phone now…

    You should get my private buyers service, I do one or 2 a week around there and have lots of good contacts for good brands at good prices, including Whiteswan.

    Artesian, Coast Whiteswan Pools & Spas
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  637. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:26 am

    There are 4 or 5 service centers around you you should be fine all the parts on that spa are easily sourced OEM parts

    A1 Spa Services & Sales
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  638. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:23 am

    Hi Kyle

    The jacuzzi and Arctic are not great spas, both are full of cheaper proprietary parts and the Arctic doesn’t even clamp the plumbing lines and the insulation is only R-8

    The coast is a lot better and don’t worry about the parts, the shell design was discontinued but it uses the same easily sourced reliable OEM parts as all the really well-made spas.

  639. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:20 am

    Only one of their lines is made in America, most is made in Mexico.

    the parts are available but there not great parts and they are overpriced because they are proprietary instead of being open-sourced OEM parts.

    they are not expensive spas, the shells are mid-end and in some cases supported by high-density foam like most mid to low end tubs which makes the plumbing a nightmare to get at. they don’t clamp the plumbing. honestly if you took the crazy amount of money they spend on branding advertising and marketing out fo the equation they would be mid end mid priced spas.

  640. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:17 am

    No idea it’s a goofy proprietary part. the problem with these brands is you need a specialist in the brand because its all proprietary.

  641. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:15 am

    Its like all the mass merchants spas and cheap internet spas, low end jetting mid build qauity dodgy low R-value insulation you simply can not build a good spa and sell it for that price… if it seems to good to be true….

  642. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:14 am

    Thats a great price, the TS massage is way better than the Clarity or any other tub out there in my opinion. comfort in a dry tub is nothing you fill it them you float and that negates all the comfort 🙂

  643. Reply
    admin June 5, 2020 at 10:00 am

    Hi Guys

    So first off if you are buying local that’s the only brand around you worth considering.

    I’m not a fan of loungers and unless you have been in a hot tub lounger and love them I would take the Barbados out of the mix. that being said I don’t think there is any real value to upgrading to the elite series.. lots of gimmicky bells and whistles but nothing that will make it a tub worth the extra spend.

    One lounger is ok but again it makes it an awkward seating are for 4 people but remember primarily this is for 2 peeps, I personally would not make my buying decision based on the odd 4 or more hot tub session…

    I would look at the captive 45 jet with dual foot blasters https://artesianspas.com/island-spas/captiva/#_self

    Or the Antigua 45 jet with dual foot blasters… https://artesianspas.com/island-spas/antigua/#_self

    They should be somewhere between the two in price.

  644. Reply
    admin June 2, 2020 at 7:41 am

    Hi Ven

    Im not a fan of any of those brands, they are all owned byby the same equity investment group with the same MO, spend loads on BS marketing and advertising and branding use lots of proprietary parts and sell these middle fo the road tubs for big bucks on the back of the advertising…

    look at the Mickinly… This is a mid-level performance tub with most of the jets being the cheap little 1.5″ low flow jets and only 8 of the more expensive high low therapy jets… there is no real neck or foot jetting again just a couple of low flow 1.5″ jets, they won’t do anything for tough bits like feet or high tension big muscle masses like neck and shoulders… gimmicks… in general also stay away from foot domes they are a nightmare you trip over them all the time, and if they leak they are a nightmare to fix and because they are in the floor where everyone steps on them they are high leak jets… Did the sales guy keep a straight face when he spun out that bullshit that this tub is worth $13,500??? lol in the really-real world this tub is overpriced at $8695… here is a tub with similar jetting, better build with better parts and in SF you can get it for around $7500

    There are a few good dealers around you but honestly, most dealers are gone except these high margin gimmick brands, most of the tubs there are bought from wholesalers and just look at all the hot tub service guys around you…

    SF service

    Man buy my private buyers service, I will buy over 500 hot tubs for customers this year and I always save you at least the cost fo the service…

  645. Reply
    admin June 1, 2020 at 2:07 pm

    I do I sent an email today check your spam filter!

  646. Reply
    admin June 1, 2020 at 2:05 pm

    I know Tim from Atlas 🙂

    good lads and that’s a great price esp in this market right now

  647. Reply
    admin June 1, 2020 at 2:05 pm

    shit man, you didn’t piss me off 🙂 I’m just messing with you 🙂

  648. Reply
    admin June 1, 2020 at 2:04 pm

    Hi Nev.

    The opposite seems to be true… they went from gecko heating and controls which is a decent OEM system to private label parts out of china 🙁 no clamps on the plumbing and hardly anything spent on the insulation… they need to take that massive advertising, branding, marketing budget and divert some of it into better build practices… they do a good shell and an over-engineered base but the rest is Meh…

    try Coast, master, Artesian, PDC even beachcomber would be better.

  649. Reply
    admin June 1, 2020 at 2:01 pm

    Hi Jen

    There are two good choices for you locally

    First off let’s dispel a misconception. it’s not practical to vary the temperature unless you mean seasonally… they take a long time to heat up and a lot longer to cool down. so if like me you want 98 or so in winter and 85 or so in summer no worries but if you are thinking girls night crank the temp then pool the next day forget it, it would cost a fortune and they do not cool down fast at all esp in the summer…

    If you really want this then you want a dual-zone with one side hot and the other cooler really a swim spa is not a hot tub its an all-weather pool a dual-zone is really 2 units a swim spa and a hot tub.

    You have 2 good local options outdoorlivingwholesale.com in sterling sell PDC spas +1 703-480-0964

    then I got a guy I know and recommend for H2x

    Hot Tubs Inc
    Kevin Greenwood
    340-417-8728 kgreenwell@hottubsinc.com
    Master spa Micheal Phelps. Sam Greenwell daughter. I have spent me than a few days with Kevin the owner over the years and these guys run a great program and carry one of my favorite brands.

    1925 Norfolk Dr, Owings, MD 20736
    http://www.hottubsinc.com
    +1 410-257-6513

  650. Reply
    admin June 1, 2020 at 1:27 pm

    Woah

    It sounds like a mess.

    The deliver thing I wouldn’t be too hard on… COVID has made delivery travel and everything else take 4x longer.

    Sounds like a shipping nightmare, honestly right now yer lucky to find a tub in under 6-12 weeks from anybody, stock levels are nonexistent and prices are soaring.

    If it got beat around on shipping remember all sides and corners are just cosmetic panels that can be replaced, same with the cover.

    I know when it all goes wrong it can be infuriating what has the retailer said?

  651. Reply
    admin June 1, 2020 at 8:11 am

    Hi Karen

    Right now that price is really good, there are no great deals because everyone is selling out of hot tubs but that price is great.

    The Hydropool is a thin cradle supported shell and a laughable insulation system, the hot springs are full of proprietary parts and from what I hear there are none for months their Mexican factories are heavily affected by COVID.

  652. Reply
    admin May 31, 2020 at 11:45 am

    Hi Kristen

    The beachcomber is a good tub but there is one serious drawback and that’s the non-removable skirt… It brutal, if you get a leak you can’t fix them they need to go to the factory and be elevated and fixed from underneath 🙂 its pure idiocy and can cost you thousands even under warranty because the warranty does not cover removal and transport and reinstall…

    White swan is a good group I deal with them fairly regularly I can’t find a 35 jet spa on their site is it a single pump or a twin?

    Also, I think maybe you were on the Canadian Costco site… the stuff at Costco US is crap.

    There are tons of service guys around you so you could look at wholesalers as well, but $5300 sound slike a tight price again dep[ending on the spec…

  653. Reply
    admin May 31, 2020 at 11:35 am

    got ya!

  654. Reply
    admin May 31, 2020 at 11:34 am

    That’s a bit high for sure, but its COVID and right now everything is longer harder and more expensive 🙁

  655. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:47 pm

    PDC used to build most of the Endless stuff, then an equity investment firm bought them and no wit corporate gobble land 🙁

    the PDC and Master are good options.

  656. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:45 pm

    Answered on your other post 🙂

    Happy Hot Tubbing 🙂

  657. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:44 pm

    no worries 🙂

  658. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:44 pm

    hey barry

    Fair price in this market for sure.

    Artesian is miles above the other guys for quality… then BF then Sundance

    buy fast the markets going nuts lead times are gonna hit 10 weeks soon for all brands

  659. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:41 pm

    Alright at first you pissed me off not giving me yer postcode because it adds work to heling you… then I searched yer IP and Saw Gan… bloody Gods country 🙂

    My uncle Jim Pettit was a Gan man and we spend many a winter day snowmobiling around the area…

    Salts crap… and everyone knows it but it sells spas so they keep pitching it 🙂

    The truth that no Hot Tub manufacturer will ever admit is this: No Matter what brand you buy don’t buy any of the miracle chemical reduction systems like salt or UV or AOP or Ozone, just buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    I do have a few service guys around you but no good brands, and your prices are high… do my private buyers service if you are gonna buy, ill save you a lot and get you a good spa…

    I literally get two of these a day and Ive refunded one in the 2 in the last year… my deal is if I cant save you at least they fee Ill refund the difference.

  660. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:32 pm

    I talked to the owner in vegas, again the shell is the issue… It a plastic shell and it might be desirable I’m not sure but it’s cheap to make so the spa should be cheap but this less expensive shell is billed and marketed as better…

  661. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:31 pm

    Meh, its middle fo the road, ABS plastic shell has some stability issues and requires pedestals to support it, its a cheaper shell to build and not anywhere near the league of a good high-end fiberglass shell… Bullfrog review

    give me a zip fer gods sake man 🙂 yer IP searches as 14020 area… so ill go with that…

    Go see these guys and see the PDC spas

    eep Blue Pool & Spa
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  662. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:24 pm

    It’s not out of your range… hit ben up

    ben@eastcoastspas.com

  663. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:22 pm

    Nice it’s a good tub 🙂

    buy this stuff… its lower chemical easier to manage healthier and less expensive, plus it extends the life of the tub and gives you a lifetime guarantee ion the jets.
    https://hottubuniversity.com/spa-marvel-us/

    Also download this app It lets you Manage your hot tub chemistry without hassle, diagnose and fix water issues, troubleshoot any problems and even request service on your tub. Spa Star will do all that and more and best of all IT’S FREE!
    https://www.spa-star.net/

  664. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:18 pm

    75…

  665. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:18 pm

    the upside is this… with your 6 posts when I finally found you you got me to only 76 posts left 🙂

  666. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:17 pm

    Right now I’m seeing prices jump dealers are starting to charge a lot more than they were pre COVID, some are valid, currency fluctuations, transportation cost increase, supply issues so right now those prices are really good… im seeing TS 7’s going to 10k some places and similar bumps on Artesians. I think artesian right now is 8 to 12 weeks out on stuff and master 6-8 I know both factories are telling dealers shorter times but I think there is going to be a big drought on hot tubs, the levels of sales are not sustainable and the production has been reduced.

    grab one

    and again sorry for the delay man 🙁

  667. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:12 pm

    Sorry man 🙁 my bad I lost you in the shuffle I answered on the other post 🙂

  668. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 8:07 pm

    Dude, I’m sorry I’ve had three people now that I’m just not getting alerts for 🙁 I’ve got my man working on it.

    I’ll happily refund the $40 if you want.

    David’s is a great dealer and the prices are solid.

    Artesian typically builds good spas and I need to confirm the build on this line but I don’t have time 🙂 I did talk to some people I trust who gave me the impression it’s built to the same standard but you need to pay for some upgrades like full foam… Your info will go into the knowledge bank, verify it if you can :-))

    The precision has added a 3.5″ high flow jet to the two 1.5″ low flow jest in the neck-shoulder seat, its a big improvement over the 2 – 1.5″ low flows for sure

    Neither tub is a bad buy man yer totally on the right track, go with what fits you better.

  669. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 7:43 pm

    Hey Bonnie

    Thanks for the support, this site is killing me right now, I’ve been working 60+ hour weeks 7 days straight since March and I’m losing my marbles 😜

    Plug and play are ok but they need a really good insulation system because conservation is king when its cold out and the tub only has the power from a plug 🙂

    Also on a cold day esp if it’s not a well-sheltered area they lose heat quickly, so you can stay in them that long. If you want to soak then its an issue.

    My advice is going to a plug-in unit that is convertible to 230v… it’s a simple 2-minute procedure to change the voltage on the pack so if you do find that the plugin isn’t your bag you can get a sparky to run the wire and whammo the heater is 4x stronger and more efficient 😉

    Honestly go see my buddy lewis at Crocker sales and look at the Ochos Rios By Getaway Hot Tubs

    Crocker Sales Co Inc
    http://www.crockersales.com

    9 High St, Woburn, MA 01801
    http://www.crocker-sales.com
    +1 781-933-2006

  670. Reply
    admin May 30, 2020 at 2:55 pm

    Hi Kevin

    The South Seas are good reliable well-built spas but I can’t find a 248B model anywhere.

    I would Not have a jacuzzi in my list, it’s way overpriced and has a goofy proprietary parts list.

  671. Reply
    admin May 29, 2020 at 4:50 pm

    they are both good spas with easily sourced OEM parts.

    thier high end big jet count spas are going to be on par with the high end high jet count versions of Artesian

  672. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 9:11 pm

    Hey Ven

    Sorry for the long response times its crazy busy

    They are both owned by the same equity investment company and neither one are worth that price even now during COVID hot tub insanity. It funny that they said it was $4600 off 🙂 did they keep a straight face? the best thing about either of those brands in the marketing and advertising and expensive 90’s style branding 🙂

    There is a Coast dealer and a master dealer both will be better quality better parts and similar pricing, compare them to the entry-level lines because performance-wise they will be in a similar class, the higher ends of both brands will blow away the jetting packages on those tubs.. run the hell away dude yer being played by really good marketing and sales peeps 🙂

    the guy in Sac does master and there are tons of service guys around you and the guy in Modesto Gordo’s Pool City Inc does artesian both solid choices.

    Hot Tub & Spa Emporium – Sacramento
    Twilight, Healthy Living, Balance, Trainers, Nordic Spas

    todd@sachottub.com
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  673. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 8:56 pm

    That’s expensive.

    tell them to sharpen their pencil you can get that lower… buy my private buyers service ill save you more than the fee for sure on that tub.

  674. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 8:55 pm

    mid end mass merchant kind of quality and performance.. it like most fo the stuff out there, not a nightmare but not a super well built unit.

  675. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 8:54 pm

    sorry … busy7… got to it see the other post

  676. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 8:54 pm

    No idea and no real info on the site no time to delve in right now 🙁

  677. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 8:52 pm

    the cal. the Viking uses a plastic pedestal supported shell it’s ok but should be a lot less money… neither are great.

  678. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 8:51 pm

    Not sure about the jacuzzi, I never bother to look that deep at that brand because the proprietary parts make it a solid no go for me and the jetting is pretty Meh and the price is pretty LMFAO…

    the Hydropool last time I looked was Mylar 🙂 basically banned in any regulated industry and the butt of the jokes in the 80’s its now resurging ats the miracle space tech… 🙂 its cheap and low R-value…

    The equity investment company

  679. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 8:46 pm

    Not sure 🙁 haven’t had time to look at this line. typically May manufacturing builds good spas but the owners are getting old and not paying a lot of attention to what’s going on anymore.

    Sorry about the dumb asshats bashing each other… if they were a little bit smart they would handle it differently but the US political scene has made beating up your opponent instead of pointing out your advantages the norm it seems 🙂

  680. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 8:42 pm

    Everlast is made up brand it’s made by Strong pools and spas They keep coming up with a bunch of these names to hide behind after the Costco viral video, They are low-end spas cutting all the corners.. have a look at this video…

    dude yer going from one end to the other 🙂 compare that sams club to entry-level spas and it’s not even a great price. in between those two units are laods of good spas from solid manufacturers from the $5500 range and up.

    that same company you talked to has a really well built 2 pump 40 jets spa for the same kind of money ask them aboutt he getaway or clarity spas.

  681. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 3:17 pm

    Its an interesting mix, None of these are bad choices but they are very different monsters.

    for space I love the clarity, I’ts the only one fo the group with 3.5″ high flow pulse in the neck-shoulder seat with 2 of the little 1,5″ low flows the other two tubs,

    what jet packages did the Coast have? they have like 4 or 5 options for jetting on the low to mid-end they are below the clarity on the high end they are above it…

  682. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 2:17 pm

    Hi Jill

    We can get you a lot of good options there but the price of $8250 is as good as it will get on that one.

    The PDC stuff is really good but they will cost a bit more to heat, likely $50-$75 a year by the calculations I get.

    I also have good contacts for the other recommended brands around you.

    The problem with that market is a lack of independent service guys, some markets are ripe for buying wholesale because they have loads of service guys your I would have to dig into a little more and see what I can find before we went that route.

  683. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 10:45 am

    Hi Scott

    Trichlor does 2 things… it bleaches all the black bits grey, and if the levels get too high it trashes your headrests and cover… in low amounts its not an issue

    the di chlor is better for teh tub for sure, with spa marvel you just put a teaspoon every 2-3 days depending on usage…

  684. Reply
    admin May 28, 2020 at 9:39 am

    We have 2 good local-ish brands first off Casual Patio Pools Spas & More sells Nordic in Katy, TX

    Spas Direct Of Texas sells Artesian, South Seas, Garden in Dickinson

    You also have 4 independent service guys around you so you can buy from out of the market… Get the SpaStar app it really helps if you buy not local.

    Hit these guys up they carry one of my top brands master spas.

    Master-Paradise Spas & Outdoor Living
    Dave Mac and Jason Nelson
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    +1 512-614-4090

  685. Reply
    admin May 27, 2020 at 8:04 am

    Right now everything is pretty expensive its crazy busy in hot tub land.

    The best massage tub out there would be the twilight spa from master spas, the PDC high end would be close seconds

    have a look at the models on their web sites

    http://www.masterspas.com
    http://www.pdcspas.com

    try these guys:

    PDC – Quality Pools and Spas By Dick Mackey Chinchilla, PA
    or – Tubs & Stuff Windham, NY
    or – Chaffee’s Swimming Pools Goshen, NY

    Master Spas- BEN@eastcoastspas.com

  686. Reply
    admin May 26, 2020 at 7:53 pm

    PDC is the more expensive better-built tub

  687. Reply
    admin May 25, 2020 at 1:21 pm

    Yeah it’s well built with good parts and I love the open footwell so much room!

  688. Reply
    admin May 25, 2020 at 1:16 pm

    Happy hot tubbing dude and yer you are correct the clarity is a solid spa.

  689. Reply
    admin May 24, 2020 at 11:22 am

    Hi John

    The Bullfrog is better for sure than the Home depot stuff… buts not saying its a great tub either and that price is COVID crazy high… the industry is flat out with around 300+% increase in business and I am seeing some pricing just insanely high because there are simply no available tubs, its definitely a seller’s market. The downside of the Bullfrog is the ABS plastic pedestal supported shell, its a pretty serious downgrade for a high-end Hand-rolled fiberglass self-supporting shell. also while the parts are at least OEM they are no on my top list of parts. and that price is nuts its not worth anywhere near that but they spend a crazy amount on branding, marketing and all the other bullshit to make you think its a top-end in a class of its own spa, and its really not.

    American spas are really typical of mass merchant hot tubs, The shell construction is not great I want a self-supporting shell this one is cradle supported and worse yet it uses High-density foam on the shell for its support structure. This is a nightmare because if you ever get a leak this foam is structural and it makes it really hard (sometimes impossible ) to find and repair leaks… the price is nothing special either, Mass merchants are never a great place to buy hot tubs…

    Go see these guys…

    Crocker Sales Co Inc
    http://www.crockersales.com
    Rick Wright Customer retailor specialists
    rw@crockersales.com
    Dealers # +1 781-933-2006
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  690. Reply
    admin May 24, 2020 at 11:05 am

    Hey Ben

    American spas are really typical of mass merchant hot tubs, The shell construction is not great I want a self-supporting shell this one is cradle supported and worse yet it uses High-density foam on the shell for its support structure. This is a nightmare because if you ever get a leak this foam is structural and it makes it really hard (sometimes impossible ) to find and repair leaks… the price is nothing special either, Mass merchants are never a great place to buy hot tubs…

    the artesian is a far better build and insulation.

    I have a ton of people using my “private buyers service” in the area I always save you at least the cost of the service, and often a lot more.

  691. Reply
    admin May 24, 2020 at 10:48 am

    I am not a fan of jacuzzi or hydro pool they are both owned by the same equity investment group… the best thing about them is the marketing.

    Check out these guys: they sell PDC which is a good brand, Factory Direct Hot Tubs in Branford, CT

    Also I have guy I deal with a lot for master down there hit up my buddy ben.

    Factory Direct sals
    ben@eastcoastspas.com
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  692. Reply
    admin May 24, 2020 at 7:31 am

    The regular run of the mill tub with a cradle supported shell and low R-value insulation.

    Go see PDC at Northeastern Pools and Spas Louisville, OH 44641

    And go see master spas at

    Leisuretime Warehouse
    http://www.bestbuypoolsandspas.com
    Owners private info:
    Ted Baily or (Dallas) 440-623-7554
    ted@leisuretimewarehouse.com
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  693. Reply
    admin May 24, 2020 at 7:29 am

    see duplicate post reply

  694. Reply
    admin May 24, 2020 at 7:15 am

    answered

  695. Reply
    admin May 24, 2020 at 7:15 am

    personal taste, if you have lots of bugs the screened-in patio is nice but it’s also great to be under the stars…

  696. Reply
    admin May 24, 2020 at 7:14 am

    Viking is a mid to low end plastic shell tub with basic jetting and that price is high. The TS 8.25 is a top-end therapy massage spa and one of the best-built tubs around and that price is crazy low, it should be $10k

  697. Reply
    admin May 24, 2020 at 7:12 am

    Hi Trevor

    Both are well made, use good parts, and are well insulated.

    performance-wise they are both middle of the road.

    layout wise the SS has that stupid foot dome, those things are a nightmare, you trip over them all the time and they crowd the footwell all for a couple of piss ant little 1.5″ low flow jets that aren’t gonna do anything for tough old feet anyway.

    also check out the Clarity Balance 8, same build quality, insulation, and parts but nice open layout…

    Empress Hot Tubs & Swim Spas
    I know Jacqueline well and we work closely together, she has helped out a lot of people for me.
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    admin May 24, 2020 at 7:06 am

    Go see these guys

    Premium Wholesale Home & Leisure
    Status: HTU ALL STAR
    http://www.premiumwholesale.ca
    (519) 895-0606

    These guys are a big operation with a good service and backup support staff. Carrying Master, Twilight, H2X and MP legends. I know these guys personally and they do a great job. cryan005@sympatico.ca
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    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:25 pm

    There are several good brands around you including Coast, Artesian, and two wholesalers for Master and PDC 🙂 Bonanza…

    honestly buy my private buyers service, I will save you around 2-3x my fee and help you with whatever brand you decide to buy.

    If not go see one of these guys

    Above & Beyond Pools & Spas
    Coast and Service
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    Purewater Total Home Leisure
    Status Unverified: We don’t know anything about the dealer but the Artesian line s on our good guy list

    Sells Artesian
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  700. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:18 pm

    yep its a known issue on a small batch. ill email you

  701. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:17 pm

    Hey Guillaume 🙂

    C’est un endroit en désordre pour acheter un bain à remous 🙂

    The 7.25 at 11k is a much better performance spa with a much better shell and better parts.

    11k is a stupid price it should be $13k…

    The dealer there pretends he can sell you a master but he cant…

    He will try and turn you onto a cheaper brand on some stupid story 🙂 he will try and buy it from a real dealer and sell it to you..lol

    don’t buy quiet flow or master pur or any upgraded chemical reduction systems from any of these asshats… just buy this shit…

  702. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:12 pm

    Add to that list the http://www.getawayhottubs.com from Master…

    They are all good spas go for price

  703. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:11 pm

    hey Keith

    I’ve not had good results with Dynasty and I’ve never had a brand with so many people complaining of them… The Coast spa from Vancouver Canada is the only one fo that group I would look at.

  704. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:09 pm

    If I don’t save you at least my fee Ill refund it.

  705. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:07 pm

    solid, hand-rolled self-supporting shells, good high r-value insulation, glued and clamped plumbing and top-end parts… its one of my top brands.

  706. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:06 pm

    I’m not up on their pricing but in general, it is a middle-end build quality with an ABS plastic shell and although they use OEM parts they are not using the really good stuff.

    check out PDC spas at Patio Splash Hot Tubs & Spas Fort Collins

    also, check out masters spa and getaway ho ttubs here:

    Aqua Spas
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  707. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:03 pm

    Hi Madan.

    Yes, I can for sure give you all of that and save you money on the buy.

    The reason I’m so late in answering this request is that I’m swamped with private buyers and I need to respond to them days before I can do the paid responses then I finally get a chance to just help and answer these ones 🙁

  708. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 7:01 pm

    Hi Joe

    Yeah, it’s a common story they are a crap tub full of cheap proprietary parts 🙁

    The PDC is a good tub and the master is as well, the only advantage with both companies of going to their higher lines is the massage [performance, they are all well built, the masters insulation systems will save you forty or fifty dollars a year.

  709. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 6:56 pm

    Man I can’t help you there.

    there are no good brands and no independent service guys so going out of the market unless you can do you own repairs is risky 🙁

    I would say the Bullfrog at Great escapes is the best option the others are crappy middle of the road spas full fo proprietary parts, slick marketing and mid-grade build practices.

  710. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 6:53 pm

    yeah get Spa marvel buy it here:

    ill email you a cheat sheet 🙂

  711. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 6:52 pm

    South seas are middle fo the pack, the elite and island are their high end lines

  712. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 6:50 pm

    You can’t shut them off entirely if the system needs heat or is in a filtration mode.

    Download SpaStar and run the troubleshooting app.

  713. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 6:49 pm

    Hey Greg

    I sent an email with my phone number Mon, May 18, 7:51 PM (5 days ago)

    check your spam filter

  714. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 6:46 pm

    Hey Tom.

    They are comparable for build quality but not performance… the grand cayman has very little neck and shoulder jets, just 4 of the low flow 1.5″ jest whereas the TS has 4 of the 3.5″ high flow jets… way better neck and shoulder seat. also, a lot more of the high flow therapy massage jets in general whereas the Artesian has mostly cheap low flow 1.5″ jets.

  715. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 6:43 pm

    Im not sure man, you can call the retailer and ask them to measure the seat height, both are well-made tub in a very similar class for performance.

  716. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 6:43 pm

    Hey Cecile

    Sorry for the long response time 🙁

    It was a Canadian owned company, it went bust a few years back and then was started again by mostly the same proprietors… It seemed like a warranty dodge to most people. It was then acquired by an equity investment company that typically buys hot tub manufacturers on the edge with a good story and spends loads of money not fixing the product but fine-tuning the marketing and branding 🙂 Its not great… typical middle-end shell with cradle supporting, good parts list for the most parts and inexpensive low R-value insulation system…

  717. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 6:38 pm

    Hi Susan

    Temperlock is not my top insulation system buts it’s the best of the nonfull foam systems I have ever seen, they take great care to seal and maximize what R-value they have.

    All of the science says that the area you live in (Godrich?) has an approximate annual heating degree day of around 8000 if we take their R-value as being around R-8 and a full foam being around R-20 and the coast per kWh in your area as being $10.4c/kWh and on say a 20′ swim spa you would be upgrading around 300sq feet of insulated area you would use around $140 more a year in electricity

  718. Reply
    admin May 23, 2020 at 3:29 pm

    Hi Kevin

    Man I’m swamped, I’m like 67 requests for help behind 🙁

    I love salespeople… The tactic is called creating urgency, there is no expo pricing, there are no deals from manufacturers, $6400 on what is basically a well made well insulated single pump entry-level spa is not any great deal it’s regular retail pricing.

    The Catalina is nowhere near as well built as the south seas.

  719. Reply
    admin May 22, 2020 at 9:12 am

    No idea send me the link to the site

  720. Reply
    admin May 22, 2020 at 8:14 am

    Hi Leslie

    for sure while most of my private buyer’s deals go through in a few days I have some that go on for months. the deal is simp[le we work until we find you a deal 🙂

    I always save at least the free for you and usually a lot more…

    One of the reasons I’m 5 days back ion these responses is I have around 5000 people a year pay for priority response and buyers service on those we have to have daily response times.

  721. Reply
    admin May 22, 2020 at 8:13 am

    Hi Claire

    neither of those brands are really well made solid spas, they are targeted more tot he price point market, its the same quality you get from Home Depot or Costco at the same price point.

    There are no real good brands there but there are loads of service companies around you so stick with a good brand with good parts and you will be fine.

    call these guys

    South East Spas
    Have met these people several times and they are good solid reliable people,
    Steve’s email is sharp@southeast.com
    Steve is more involved in the retail stores.
    Owners Philip Giles and Larry Giles ( they focus more on the shows on the rd.)
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    4260 Cleveland Ave, Fort Myers, FL 33901
    southeastspas.com
    +1 239-202-0225

  722. Reply
    admin May 22, 2020 at 8:10 am

    there are a few PDC dealers near you

    The Spa & Pool Place
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    2970 Willow Street Pike, Willow Street, PA 17584
    http://www.spaandpoolplace.com
    +1 717-464-1877

    also, I know a guy who sells wholesale for master in that region hit Ben up

    ben@eastcoastspas.com

  723. Reply
    admin May 22, 2020 at 8:07 am

    The price is low on the Catalina stuff, there are some issues with the brand but I wouldn’t put it in the nightmare class. it’s like most of the stuff out there and price-wise we can get quite a few swimmers in this class for similar money.

    If we want to go to higher build quality and better parts and insulation we should look at Tidalfit, H2X, PDC, Coast.

    Honestly, dude if yer buying a swimmer hire me under the private buyer’s program… last week I bought around 15 tubs and swimmers for people and saved them an average of a grand and the service is only $250, I always save you at least my fee no matter what brand you decide on.

  724. Reply
    admin May 21, 2020 at 6:40 pm

    I supported the brand based on their claims, then requested access to the factory to verify and got stalled again and again… then I got a new one and here is the review…

    whats the arctic pac on the south seas… I haven’t had time to look at it?

  725. Reply
    admin May 21, 2020 at 6:35 pm

    yep especially right now with COVID pricing.

  726. Reply
    admin May 21, 2020 at 6:34 pm

    It is if your goal is really high-end therapy massage and you are going to use it 3x a week for mobility issues.

  727. Reply
    admin May 21, 2020 at 4:12 pm

    those are all solid spas for sure

  728. Reply
    admin May 21, 2020 at 4:12 pm

    paver properly laid are fine

    price is good

  729. Reply
    admin May 21, 2020 at 4:11 pm

    Hi Johnathan

    I don’t hold much stock in reviews site.

    Forbes says as much as 80% of all reviews are fake. On yelp, if you pay you to get great reviews if you don’t you don’t. this guy has been around 30+ years I’ve never had any bad feedback from anyone I’ve sent there.

    refurbished is not a bad option, the running cost won’t be that much difference the reality is a new one will be closer to $30/month and the return closer to $40

    pricing is decent for sure on all those, the apex at $9300 is high you can get into twilight for not much more and it would kick their ass

  730. Reply
    admin May 21, 2020 at 1:56 pm

    Hi Regina

    From a build quality standpoint I don’t think there are any big differences.

    From a massage performance aspect the Artesians are mid-upper end. Look at the jets… the cost of the jet package on any hot tub and the massage performance is down to how many of the high flow therapy massage jets. For a rough Calculation consider a small 1/.5″ jets which are a low volume of water under high pressure as worth $10, the 3.5″ mid-flow jets are worth $35 and are getting into a therapy massage jet, they move a lot more water and while the feel is softer it moves the whole muscle mass and gives better long term tension reduction. then goto a 5″ Hi-flow jet is pushing $50 and give a better massage.

    Like most tubs, the Arytesians are nothing over the top for massage most of the jets are small with only a few of the large massage jets, similarly, the neck and shoulder area are all low flow jets 🙁

    I like the brand from a build standpoint but if a customer is looking for really good therapy massage there are better choices.

    The twilights rank as my top tub for massage the jet package is crazy and they have four of the 3.5″ high flow therapy jets in the neck-shoulder area.

  731. Reply
    admin May 21, 2020 at 11:31 am

    Hi Leslie

    He makes a better margin on the Calspa or has it in stock but having been to both these factories there is no way the Cal is in the same league The Artesian is a far better-built product.

    Space blanket tech is mylar which was basically banned as a primary insulator in the home building industry and any other regulated industry.. its cheap and low R-value… Cal offer a full foam upgrade for $500 which is standard in the Artesian and a much higher R-value system.

    Ozone and Ion reduce the chlorine or bromine levels but don’t waste your money on it, just buy a good additive like Spa Marvel or A good mineral system its cheaper, lower chemical, and reduces the chlorine or bromine level far below what you will get with those add one…

    The warranty is not indicative of the quality of the product it’s just built into the price, on almost any hot tub you can buy an extra year for around $200

    It’s always a good idea to put down a patio stone base under any tub… ABS bottom pans are not a good substitute for a properly prepared ground support.

    I don’t know the dealer and a lot fo this information they are giving you is questionable.

  732. Reply
    admin May 21, 2020 at 11:12 am

    Call what trolling?

    We refer around 6000 customers a year in the US too good dealers of all the brands we recommend.

    a lot of dealers get their business reviewed by us and get our all-star rating we then actively push customers their way, there is no fee for either the registering, evaluation, or the referrals…

  733. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 1:36 pm

    unknown… right now the markets on fire it’s definitely a seller’s market but it’s hard to call if this will cool down or if it’s just a fundamental shift in where leisure dollars are going to go as people focus more on their environmental comforts to keep them sane…

  734. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 1:34 pm

    Yeah its a solid price and a good swimmer, the dealer there is a great guy, he’s been selling spas in the area for decades and knows his shit.

  735. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 1:32 pm

    any ion system (silver, zinc, copper) is decent for contact kill as water passes through the filter, but if you want low chemical easy to use get Spa Marvel

  736. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 1:28 pm

    Hi Brandon

    I toured the factory a year ago January and it was a mixed bag.

    the claims about the shell are mostly marketing, it’s a regular cradle supported shell with the cheesy thin strips of metal in them that off little if any effective support 🙂

    the rest was a confusing mixture of a million skews and variations.. some had great parts, some had second rate parts, some came with full-foam some you had to order…

    As a result, as you might suspect there were some QC issues… its a small operation that used to be a dominant player, IMHO if they got someone in the leader’s seat and revamped the lines, streamlined the production and simplified the skews they could be a contender again, one day… but for now it just seemed like a hot mess… The owner Casey drove up in his gently though so that was a highlight 🙂

  737. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 10:24 am

    Beachcomber by a long long shot… here is evolution

  738. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 10:22 am

    yeah, it’s a good spa.

    Also, check out the Artesians at Creative Hot Tub Designs.

    And the guy in Sac has service guy there as well check out Hot Tub & Spa Emporium Sacramento

  739. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 10:22 am

    yeah, it’s a good spa.

    Also, check out the Artesians at Creative Hot Tub Designs.

    And the guy in Sac has service guy there as well check out Hot Tub & Spa Emporium sacremento

  740. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 10:20 am

    Hmm, that’s a new one 🙂

    not sure but any of those scenarios would sound reasonable

  741. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 10:16 am

    It’s a Chinese made mass merchant spa, it’s on par with most spas in this class, but It’s not to the build standard of the top brands by any stretch of the imagination.

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=18-VoBNlgbMchh9lNuGI3a_f3PwfmRECE

  742. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 10:15 am

    For the current market its a solid price especially with the removal of the leaky beachcomber.

  743. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 10:14 am

    for sure you have 2 good brands

    Family Leisure Birmingham sells Artesian –

    I also have a trusted dealer that sells master, both my top 2 brands.

    Allstar Pool & Spa
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  744. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 8:17 am

    Hey check your spam I sent an email Thu, May 14, 8:20 PM (6 days ago)

    double-checked the email address as well… ill resend

  745. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 8:14 am

    shit sorry man, I’m swamped,

  746. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 8:14 am

    Yep Conformed its a strong 🙁 guy like this keep trying to doge their reputation by creating lots of confusing brands…

    Man, I don’t have any good recommendations there 🙁

  747. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 8:10 am

    Wow high prices for sure, but we are seeing some retailers gouging taking advantage of the COVID rush in the hot tub market 🙁 Bad…

    Shit just bought http://www.truetub.com 🙂

    get my private buyers service, I will save you a ton…

  748. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 8:05 am

    Its made in China to a fairly low standard as are all mass merchant hot tubs…

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=18-VoBNlgbMchh9lNuGI3a_f3PwfmRECE

  749. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 8:03 am

    No

    ozone does very little on a hot tub they are cheap systems.

    I’m also not a fan of circ pumps

  750. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 7:27 am

    I don’t know the brand at all… could just be a rebrand, do you know if they actually manufacture them or just private label?

    The location for the main plant is the Trevi distribution so I think it’s just a private label for Trevi.

    try these guys

    PDC – Spaulding Pool & Spa
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    +1 518-483-0400
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  751. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 7:22 am

    Hi Stefan

    I’m swamped 🙂 I’m running 5 days behind on help.

    No idea of dealers there 🙁

    the pump size is one consideration but for good massage look at the large hi-flow therapy massage jets, the bigger the jet the better the long term muscle relaxation, little jets feel like they do a lot but they don’t move enough water…

  752. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 7:19 am

    Hi, Jill Catalina is middle of the road, the shell and insulation are not up to the standard of the Artesian. Warranty is not indicative of the quality

  753. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 7:17 am

    First, don’t use the well water 🙂 get a truckload and use spa marvel it will keep you to the lowest chemical levels and keep your water good for up to a year

  754. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 7:16 am

    Hi Peter

    I am supported by most of the brands I like, But I was liking them and then approached them about supporting so yes but I don’t take money from anyone I don’t already like and I won’t support a brand just for money, The reason I like my top 5 is they all do it the same way… I’m consistent in supporting good brands and in my little retail market I actually have 2 competitors who sell brands I support… kind of sucks sometimes but consistency is key.

    I dont know any sparks or deck or ground guys there sorry 🙁

  755. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 7:12 am

    there are 2 good choices

    the Coast spas at Pool & Spa Guys, Farmingdale look at the north winds line

    The master dealer again in Farmingdale, look at getaway and Clarity lines

    Suntek Pools & Spas
    Status: HTU ALL_STAR
    Brands: Master
    sales@suntekonline.com
    Met with these folks and had a good couple days together, they have a good operation and a good brand.
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    1282 Broad Hollow Road (Route 110 Opposite Home Depot & the Airport Plaza, Farmingdale, NY 11735
    suntekpoolsandspas.com
    +1 631-249-7727
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  756. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 7:10 am

    Best bet locally are these guys

    Swimming Pool Supply Co
    bill@spspools-spas.com
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    http://www.spspools-spas.com
    +1 515-986-3931
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  757. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 7:09 am

    No idea, I would think something metal is in the system and rusting… take the lines off the pumps and heaters and flush water through to see if anything comes out.

  758. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 7:08 am

    Hi sorry for the delay in responding, this site is swamped!

    Both great tubs, the insulation on the master is a little better and I love the open layout of the clarity line, water environments are about space and it has loads of space.

    Neither is a bad buy for sure.

  759. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 6:37 am

    download Spastar and run the diagnostic

  760. Reply
    admin May 20, 2020 at 6:34 am

    Hi Jon

    its mass merchant quality with cradle supported shell and basic build quality and the heat flow manifolds are the dumbest things in the world… Hot Tubs use immersion heaters with nearly 100% efficiency this dumb ass idea takes electrical energy transfers it to mechanical energy, transfers that to hydro force transfers that to mechanical energy again making friction is absurd… only a marketing genius ignoring all the laws of thermodynamics could spin that as good tech 🙂 in all energy exchanges, you loose energy” This is also commonly referred to as entropy these guys are full of shit, always makes me nervous when I see this crap.

  761. Reply
    admin May 19, 2020 at 3:07 pm

    I wouldn’t have the Bullfrog on my final list the others are better build quality ion the shell and better parts.

    The coast element B is a solid price any luck with the other 2 yet?

  762. Reply
    admin May 19, 2020 at 1:30 pm

    Both tubs have the same main therapy seat I like the open spaces in the twilight but both great tubs

    The prices are good especially for right now!

  763. Reply
    admin May 18, 2020 at 8:06 pm

    Hi Dereck

    sorry man, I’m buried and hasn’t set this up yet 🙁

    hit one of the local brands I sent you.

  764. Reply
    admin May 18, 2020 at 12:31 pm

    made by artesian. solid reliable manufacturer

  765. Reply
    admin May 18, 2020 at 12:31 pm

    Love the layout big open footwell nice mix of jets and good build quality

  766. Reply
    admin May 17, 2020 at 12:21 pm

    whats yer zip code?

  767. Reply
    admin May 17, 2020 at 11:05 am

    I’m not a fan at all, it is built to a mid-end standard. the shell is cradle supported, the do not clamp the plumbing lines and the insulation is low R-value inexpensive radiant with was it of blue max type batten… it should be inexpensive. Performance-wise it should be middle to upper its god a good mix of jetting but only low flow 1.5″ neck and shoulder jets.

    There are loads of service guys around you frankly that market has hardly any retailers left because its too expensive to run a storefront there and that makes the tub prices crazy high, a lot of peeps buy from out of the market and that’s why there are so many independent service guys round…

    the only local brands I would consider would be Coast and Artesian here:

    Artesian, Coast Whiteswan Pools & Spas
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  768. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 4:00 pm

    yes they are well built shell I toured the factory in Jan last year

  769. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 3:59 pm

    its a goofy unknown likely Chinese or private brand.

    send me yer zip ill find more

  770. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 3:58 pm

    Damn I miss Germany.

    it’s much like Canada we say what we do and do what we say 🙂

    Also, miss the cold Kolsch on the river at the blues cafe in Cologne 🙁

    Damn yer asking questions that are more about what you want than what’s good, I’m not goods with human just good with machine 🙂

    Ask yer wife or get in the damn thing and see how it fits you 🙂

  771. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 3:53 pm

    for sure. Ill email you

  772. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 3:52 pm

    Hey Scott

    Good to semy first return customer 🙂

    glad to hear my help helped.

    send me yer zip for the new home ill see what i can find

  773. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 1:06 pm
  774. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 12:59 pm

    yeah, its a great price…

  775. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 12:59 pm

    Costco tubs are as bad as they get.. Here is one of their popular models.

  776. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 12:57 pm

    I shot a video about this tub… all the Costco stubs are crap except the Beachcomber

  777. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 12:56 pm

    S0 tall peeps love the contoured seating but big people don’t 🙂 you want open barrier-free seating. besides yer floating… it’s not about seating really 🙂

  778. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 12:54 pm

    Round spas are bad designs the footwell is way too small to be usable 🙁 Its why no one makes them anymore, square lets you push the four corner seats way back and open up space and the footprints similar because your house and garden stuff is all square or rectangular to the real usable space it takes up is close tot he same.

  779. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 11:05 am

    Hey Vinnie

    the D1 of 10 years ago is not the D1 of today 🙂 they got bought out from the brink of insolvency by an equity investment firm now its full of proprietary parts. I would look elsewhere, the best thing I can say about the brand now is that the marketing is awesome 🙂

  780. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 11:03 am

    Definitely the Artesian for sure, no comparison.

  781. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 11:02 am

    Hi Greg they are both the same size pumps they both use 11 amp motors which is about the max you can use on a plug in system

  782. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 10:57 am

    I totally think yer right dude, Dynasty is private branding all kinds of stuff I’ve seen 4 iterations lately all to dissociate themselves with the name lol

    check out this guy. he deals nationwide.

    The Hot Tub Superstore
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    +44 1253 599330
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  783. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 10:56 am

    Hey Kim, he carries master as well which is my top brand overall.

  784. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 10:55 am

    The Nordic is the better of the two

  785. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 10:55 am

    see other post

  786. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 10:54 am

    Hi Andy

    It has good parts, the shell is a cradle supported system as well, I really look for a hand-rolled self-supporting shell, you could up the insulation system.

    That model is a basic 2 pump system that you should be able to buy retail with this build quality for $7k easy the home depot Toronto at 7k is the similar build quality and better jetting with a stereo, i would expect if it was really factory direct it would be 6k max

  787. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 10:49 am

    done

  788. Reply
    admin May 15, 2020 at 9:31 am

    Hi Mike

    Arctic spas have always had a decent performance and jetting package my problem with the spa has always been that the jets and most of the parts are Chinese and the electronic heating and control system is a proprietary part, there are no clamps on the plumbing and almost no insulation… It’s an inexpensive spa to build a very expensive brand because of the tons they spend on marketing and branding and just not a high-end quality product.

    A perfect example is this SDS seat… they claim its super high flow jets and pumps but the jets are not the big high flow jets they are low flow high-pressure jets! they are just big to make you think they are… the cheap little low flow jets always “feel” like they do a lot they flow about half the water they the big 5″ high flow low-pressure jets, and there is no neck and shoulder jetting to speak of.

    The Feel Versus The Result:

    How a spa feels when you are in it is not relevant to how good the massage value is!
    The little bullet jets which are inexpensive and put out a low volume of water under high pressure “feel” like they are doing a lot because they really assault the dermal layer where all our nerve endings are. Because of this the perception is they are giving a good massage but the reality is they are not putting out enough water to penetrate into the muscle tissue, it’s an illusion… although you feel during the massage that you are really getting good deep muscle massage it does little to actually loosen up the muscles and you don’t really notice much long-term relief in terms of muscle stiffness and mobility.
    Conversely, I have had a number of customers who have moved from a low or mid-end massage spa into a real hi-end therapy spa using a huge amount of the Hi-flow low-pressure massage jets and their initial reaction is that the jets don’t “Hit ” as hard and they don’t feel like they are getting much massage benefit. But with regular use, they feel much better with increased mobility and less muscle tension.
    The reason is this; The Big Hi-Flow jets flow a massive amount of water but at a lower pressure so it moves the whole muscle instead of just affecting the dermal layer. The result is while they do not feel